The annual ASTI Easter strike threat

Bass Reeves · 12-04-2021 9:20am

briangriffin wrote: »

Holy Jaysus come here have a good hard look at yourself there. Its now the ASTIs fault for all govenment waste. is it? The people dont despise teachers or Unions its just a cohort of folks on anonymous internet forums, petty folk. Who are equally despised no doubt.
Well done though I didnt realise the bailout was actually a good thing for our country Il take that nugget with me as gospel just because you said so.
The childrens hospital could have been built for a fraction of the price and was originally costing less than 700m it is now "estimated to cost over 2bn add in the significant cost of inflation of building materials and it will exceed 2 bn so yes you are wrong it will cost billions thats more than on billion - in fact it will be one of the most expensive buildings in the world when built - would you say that is wasteful?

I do not know how you can draw inference from what he posted to accuse him of that. Its the same as you accusing me of attacking teachers pay when I posted facts about he amount we spend on Education in this country.

You make massive jumps i conclusions. Ernest Walton split the atom in 1932. From the way you jump to conclusions he is directly to blame for bombing Hirshimo and Nagasaki not only directly he must have flown Enola Gay.

It you who would want to have a good hard look at yourself. You seem to dislike dealing with facts. I taught this was the main stay o the teaching profession the teaching of facts. The way you treat people that give you detail and facts is similar to the way people treated the facts of heliocentrism as expressed by Nicholas Copernicus when he said the world was round and rotated around the sun.

Some of your conclusions equate to similar jumps in thinking

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 9:24am

Triangle wrote: »

Despise is a strong word. But 100% of the folks I work with thought the unions were wrong. There wasn't one voice sticking up for them when they decided to go against the scientific numbers.

Have to say the same for my workplace, seems to be a blanket disapproval for the move in work, family & friends.

briangriffin · 12-04-2021 9:46am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You are not working for nothing. You are among the highest paid teaching profession in the developed world. I have never mentioned anything about teachers pensions. I did say we pay all our public servants well. This limits what as a nation we can spend elsewhere. O have never made any reference to cutting teachers or any public servants pay

Stop will you with your nonsense we are living in one of the most developed nations in the world. All our professions are among the highest in the developed world guards solicitors politicians etc.
Your narrative is that teachers are robbing all other professions and the people of the country. All our public servants are paid well but the only one you question is teachers? - I've yet to see any reference for any of what you are spouting you ignored all requests - have a look at our attainment in literacy numeracy and science you might find that teachers aren't terrible at their jobs like so many of you are spouting on here.

briangriffin · 12-04-2021 9:50am

Triangle wrote: »

Despise is a strong word. But 100% of the folks I work with thought the unions were wrong. There wasn't one voice sticking up for them when they decided to go against the scientific numbers.

I think despise adequately describes the attitude to teachers on here. Its sad really I think some here are watching to many reruns of Matilda and Ms Trunchbull.
School is a very different place to 20-30 years ago when most here were attending.

Lillyfae · 12-04-2021 10:01am

briangriffin wrote: »

I think despise adequately describes the attitude to teachers on here. Its sad really I think some here are watching to many reruns of Matilda and Ms Trunchbull.
School is a very different place to 20-30 years ago when most here were attending.

Some, not all, teachers on here tow the union line no matter how ridiculous the line is. People go on about it not being a hive mind but it doesn't seem like that when multiple people will defend the stance regardless of what the stance is.

In this case the ASTI are hanging themselves and showing the organisation up to be a load of jobsbodies. I say let them. It's clear that there's a gap in the market for a union that's not contrarian and dysfunctional, and I have full belief in the younger generation of teachers to form one now.

EDIT: Without the input from retired teachers of 20-30 years ago, hopefully.

briangriffin · 12-04-2021 10:22am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I do not know how you can draw inference from what he posted to accuse him of that. Its the same as you accusing me of attacking teachers pay when I posted facts about he amount we spend on Education in this country.

You make massive jumps i conclusions. Ernest Walton split the atom in 1932. From the way you jump to conclusions he is directly to blame for bombing Hirshimo and Nagasaki not only directly he must have flown Enola Gay.

It you who would want to have a good hard look at yourself. You seem to dislike dealing with facts. I taught this was the main stay o the teaching profession the teaching of facts. The way you treat people that give you detail and facts is similar to the way people treated the facts of heliocentrism as expressed by Nicholas Copernicus when he said the world was round and rotated around the sun.

Some of your conclusions equate to similar jumps in thinking

knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

Claw Hammer · 12-04-2021 11:46am

It is fairly obvious that the reason teachers want to be take out of turn is that if it is done by age, the students will find out how old the teachers are. Tecahers will just have to face up to the fact that students will know the year of their birth from now on.

Bass Reeves · 12-04-2021 11:51am

briangriffin wrote: »

knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

Well you are the lad putting it in the fruit salad

12-04-2021 11:53am

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is fairly obvious that the reason teachers want to be take out of turn is that if it is done by age, the students will find out how old the teachers are. Tecahers will just have to face up to the fact that students will know the year of their birth from now on.

Definitely, an alarming prejudice that splinters fragile egos. Not in any way motivated by entitled twenty/thirty somethings receiving their vaccine clearance for the Mediterranean before July.

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 11:55am

briangriffin wrote: »

knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

Useless quotes are often used when someone has nothing intelligent left to say. Guess we can now all agree with the people you've been having a discussion with?

Treppen · 12-04-2021 12:22pm

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I'm sure you are aware that ASC is a pension contribution payment, like everyone else would be paying to get a pension, and everyone pays the income tax USC, not just teachers.

Maybe you're unaware.... but ASC doesn't go anywhere towards a pension contribution. It goes into the general tax pot. It's just an extra tax.

Treppen · 12-04-2021 12:28pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is fairly obvious that the reason teachers want to be take out of turn is that if it is done by age, the students will find out how old the teachers are. Tecahers will just have to face up to the fact that students will know the year of their birth from now on.

?? What ??

Treppen · 12-04-2021 12:32pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Useless quotes are often used when someone has nothing intelligent left to say. Guess we can now all agree with the people you've been having a discussion with?

"Useless quotes are often used when someone has nothing intelligent left to say. Guess we can now all agree with the people you've been having a discussion with?"

Treppen · 12-04-2021 12:35pm

Lillyfae wrote: »

Some, not all, teachers on here tow the union line no matter how ridiculous the line is. People go on about it not being a hive mind but it doesn't seem like that when multiple people will defend the stance regardless of what the stance is.

In this case the ASTI are hanging themselves and showing the organisation up to be a load of jobsbodies. I say let them. It's clear that there's a gap in the market for a union that's not contrarian and dysfunctional, and I have full belief in the younger generation of teachers to form one now.

EDIT: Without the input from retired teachers of 20-30 years ago, hopefully.

I'm not really defending the stance, but I'll defend the right to vote on it.

I will gladly take any input from senior teachers.

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 12:37pm

Treppen wrote: »

"Useless quotes are often used when someone has nothing intelligent left to say. Guess we can now all agree with the people you've been having a discussion with?"

Got the copy and paste down at least. Still holding out that the demand that teachers get priority vaccine has some merit?

Lillyfae · 12-04-2021 12:46pm

Treppen wrote: »

I'm not really defending the stance, but I'll defend the right to vote on it.

I will gladly take any input from senior teachers.

Retired teachers, who have no stake in teaching anymore except their pensions.

Treppen · 12-04-2021 12:47pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Got the copy and paste down at least. Still holding out that the demand that teachers get priority vaccine has some merit?

Ya it has some merit.

Bass Reeves · 12-04-2021 1:33pm

Treppen wrote: »

Maybe you're unaware.... but ASC doesn't go anywhere towards a pension contribution. It goes into the general tax pot. It's just an extra tax.

That correct but Public Sevice pensions is paid out of general taxation not out of a pension pot that exists. It's classed as a pension contribution as it is treated that way in the taxation system with PS workers allowed to declare it against tax. Any other tax such as USC or PAYE are not allowable against tax. I think.psrt of the PRSI is but I may be incorrect

Bubbaclaus · 12-04-2021 2:25pm

Treppen wrote: »

Maybe you're unaware.... but ASC doesn't go anywhere towards a pension contribution. It goes into the general tax pot. It's just an extra tax.

Maybe you are unaware, but public service pensions are paid out of that tax pot. It's a contribution towards a pension you get, no different to anyone else.

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 2:30pm

Treppen wrote: »

I'm not really defending the stance, but I'll defend the right to vote on it.

I will gladly take any input from senior teachers.

You said it has merit earlier???

Seaandwind · 12-04-2021 3:07pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is fairly obvious that the reason teachers want to be take out of turn is that if it is done by age, the students will find out how old the teachers are. Tecahers will just have to face up to the fact that students will know the year of their birth from now on.

This is gas. I don’t think anyone is this shallow!!

Claw Hammer · 12-04-2021 3:10pm

Seaandwind wrote: »

This is gas. I don’t think anyone is this shallow!!

I know people over 70 who have been given the vaccine but won't admit to it as it will give away their age. I went to school for years and I know what teachers are like.

Seaandwind · 12-04-2021 3:13pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I know people over 70 who have been given the vaccine but won't admit to it as it will give away their age. I went to school for years and I know what teachers are like.

We all went to school and know what they are like, how would students even find out if you were vaccinated let alone your age? Or care? Infairness this argument is completely invalid!

Claw Hammer · 12-04-2021 3:22pm

Seaandwind wrote: »

We all went to school and know what they are like, how would students even find out if you were vaccinated let alone your age? Or care? Infairness this argument is completely invalid!

When the teacher goes for vaccination, if during schholl hours they will be absent. The students will also have parents who are vaccinators. There is no doubt the wor would get out. Once it is known when a teacher is vaccinated the age would be kbnown by comparing it with others vaccinated around the same time. QED as some teachers were wont to say.

Treppen · 12-04-2021 3:44pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

You said it has merit earlier???

Yes it has merit to me.

Not everything is black or white. We live in a contextual world.

Treppen · 12-04-2021 3:52pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

When the teacher goes for vaccination, if during schholl hours they will be absent. The students will also have parents who are vaccinators. There is no doubt the wor would get out. Once it is known when a teacher is vaccinated the age would be kbnown by comparing it with others vaccinated around the same time. QED as some teachers were wont to say.

No QED. There were 3 teachers out today in my school... we're they off getting vaccinated?

Telling your kids a patient's medical treatments is a dumb move. Whatever about telling an adult, telling your child "oh ya I gave your teacher a jab today" and expecting the kid to say nothing in school.... and by your scenario, doing that for every teacher... !

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 3:53pm

Treppen wrote: »

Yes it has merit to me.

Not everything is black or white. We live in a contextual world.

It has merit so but you think it's wrong?

So we agree the teacher stance has a lack of merit? Thats fair.

blanch152 · 12-04-2021 3:55pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

When the teacher goes for vaccination, if during schholl hours they will be absent. The students will also have parents who are vaccinators. There is no doubt the wor would get out. Once it is known when a teacher is vaccinated the age would be kbnown by comparing it with others vaccinated around the same time. QED as some teachers were wont to say.

The only difference with the change in vaccination priority is that teachers will be mainly vaccinated over the summer rather than during the last few weeks of term when it is of little purpose anyway as they are about to go on summer holidays.

So I don't think the issue will be live anyway.

Treppen · 12-04-2021 3:56pm

Lillyfae wrote: »

Retired teachers, who have no stake in teaching anymore except their pensions.

Well thems the Union rules, Union members appreciate their experience, sorry that makes you annoyed. Have you raised this at any branch meetings?

Claw Hammer · 12-04-2021 4:04pm

Treppen wrote: »

No QED. There were 3 teachers out today in my school... we're they off getting vaccinated?

Telling your kids a patient's medical treatments is a dumb move. Whatever about telling an adult, telling your child "oh ya I gave your teacher a jab today" and expecting the kid to say nothing in school.... and by your scenario, doing that for every teacher... !

The kid? Do you teach goats? This shows the contempt teachers have for their charges.

lulublue22 · 12-04-2021 4:37pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

The kid? Do you teach goats? This shows the contempt teachers have for their charges.

You are seriously reaching at this stage.

Beasty · 12-04-2021 5:31pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

I know people over 70 who have been given the vaccine but won't admit to it as it will give away their age.

I'll happily say I'm 85 if it gets me the vaccine tomorrow.....

:pac:

Valhallapt · 12-04-2021 11:00pm

Beasty wrote: »

I'll happily say I'm 85 if it gets me the vaccine tomorrow.....

:pac:

That’s unfair stealing the vaccine from a 24 year old teacher in perfect health and likely to be asymptomatic.

Bass Reeves · 12-04-2021 11:02pm

Beasty wrote: »

I'll happily say I'm 85 if it gets me the vaccine tomorrow.....

:pac:

You be grand if you said you were over 70, anybody between 60 and 70 gets the AZ so do not try to jump into the 60-70 age bracket

Lillyfae · 13-04-2021 9:06am

Treppen wrote: »

Well thems the Union rules, Union members appreciate their experience, sorry that makes you annoyed.

I think they'll probably not share their "experience" on how to pull the ladder up after them so that is probably foolish at best. It wouldn't annoy me really, I'd know better than to expect a baby boomer to look after my interests for me.

Claw Hammer · 13-04-2021 12:15pm

Seaandwind wrote: »

We all went to school and know what they are like,

A lot of people who went to school have Stockhoilm syndrome.

Beasty · 13-04-2021 12:27pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You be grand if you said you were over 70, anybody between 60 and 70 gets the AZ so do not try to jump into the 60-70 age bracket

Absolutely no jumping required

Pretty sure it's AZ for me

lulublue22 · 17-04-2021 12:57pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/under-30s-may-get-vaccinated-early-under-new-plan-being-considered-to-slow-covid-19-1.4539770

Just leaving this here for all those who were foaming at the mouth that teachers had the audacity to raise the issue of vacc for those who work with large numbers in less than ideal conditions. I presume the 18 - 30 year olds who can’t seem to follow guidelines and or restrict their socialising will fall in for the same level of vitriolic abuse as they push the elderly down the vacc queue. Before young teachers are mentioned as a stick they make up 13% of teaching staff.

Cluedo Monopoly · 17-04-2021 2:06pm

lulublue22 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/under-30s-may-get-vaccinated-early-under-new-plan-being-considered-to-slow-covid-19-1.4539770

Just leaving this here for all those who were foaming at the mouth that teachers had the audacity to raise the issue of vacc for those who work with large numbers in less than ideal conditions. I presume the 18 - 30 year olds who can’t seem to follow guidelines and or restrict their socialising will fall in for the same level of vitriolic abuse as they push the elderly down the vacc queue. Before young teachers are mentioned as a stick they make up 13% of teaching staff.

Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly has asked officials to examine the possibility of revising the order of age cohorts scheduled to receive the vaccine

Just leaving this here...Paul Reid was completely unaware of this when asked. It looks like a solo run thus far. It has caused a huge amount of confusion and is being criticised all morning on the radio, even by doctors.

It doesn't alter the justified criticism aimed at the teacher's unions when they demanded priority and threatened strike. To my knowledge the 18-30 year olds are not demanding priority or threatening to strike.

If you see it as 'foaming' and 'vitriol', that's a you problem. I see it as debate.

shtpEdthePlum · 17-04-2021 2:12pm

Darc19 wrote: »

Typical tabloid muck that hopes no-one will question anything - but maybe you took it from others and because it suits your agenda, you didn't question anything yourself - so lets correct your statements

1 - Very Important for a dail to sit to debate legislation. Yes it costs €25,000 (zero rent) but much of that €25k would also have been spent in Leinster house. Whoops - did you not know that?

2 - ONE junior minister got a pay rise of 16k as it was an additional junior minister and ensured they were paid the same amount as the others. The optics were not great and the rag tabloids did not report it correctly, but that's not surprising. And then some people believe everything tabloids because they won't check for themselves.

3 - Printer. Yes this was a cock-up by an OPW staff member. Human error. However the additional cost was not €1m it was €314,453. 70% LESS than your BS number

4 - E Voting. Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. But the journalists & media suddenly saw that the 3-5 days of reporting on elections and count centres with the relevant expenses and advertising income would be wiped out as these machines would give accurate results in minutes went on a campaign against them. These machines were not connected to internet. they were all secure standalone machines. They simply could not be hacked. But the media who are not exactly a trustworthy source were having none of it and started the campaign against the machines

5 - Children's Hospital. "Billions" over budget. Total cost will be about 2BN. So for your wild exaggeration to be true would mean it was originally to be built for zero. (I sincerely hope you are not a teacher with this type of BS exaggeration - though it very much in the style of ASTI propaganda)

6 - Legal teams on a retainer. I actually agree with this. Too many people look for compo compo compo. "It's always someone else's fault" it the mantra. So it is prudent for the government to keep updated files where a claim may come in the future. Error was in not keeping the files fully secure.

7. Tribunals. I'll give you that one. Mostly a waste of money because people want "retribution" rather than closing the loopholes, introduce severe penalties and move on.

8 - More tabloid BS. Cork is the second city and all projects went though the same process as others. If anything it has not received the favouritism that other counties got when they had relevant ministers. But there are some who believe every word of a leftist tabloid without checking very basic facts

9 - The old Bank Bailout chestnut. It was a "Banking" bailout. The banks themselves certainly did not get a bailout - it was joe soap the regular person who had their savings in the banks who was bailed out as their saving were protected. Without the banking bailout ASTI would have lost millions as their deposits would have been wiped out. Banks (except those which closed) have mostly repaid the money along with punitive interest and levies. Bank of Ireland have repaid in full. AIB still have a bit to go. The cost will be circa €30bn - almost entirely Anglo & Irish Nationwide. - As for bondholders, they should not be burnt as they are a holy grail for international lending. Iceland burnt bondholders - they ended up paying for that error in higher bond rates for the last 12 years. Ireland has saved BILLIONS from refinancing bonds at zero and negative rates.

Your BS post is exactly why the ASTI are despised by people - full of exaggeration and hype. It why more and more teachers are leaving the ASTI as they simply are sick of the BS spouted by second rate leadership day in day out with a large cohort of retired teachers pulling the strings

All of this should be in the conspiracy theory form.

lulublue22 · 17-04-2021 2:19pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Just leaving this here...Paul Reid was complete unaware of this when asked. It looks like a solo run thus far. It has caused a huge amount of confusion and is being criticised all morning on the radio, even by doctors.

It's doesn't alter the justified criticism aimed at the teacher's unions when they demanded priority and threatened strike. To my knowledge the 18-30 year olds are not demanding priority or threatening to strike.

If you see it as 'foaming' and 'vitriol', that's a you problem. I see it as debate.

Agh the justifications have begun - I’m looking forward to your robust debate on the vacc thread.

Cluedo Monopoly · 17-04-2021 2:26pm

lulublue22 wrote: »

Agh the justifications have begun - I’m looking forward to your robust debate on the vacc thread.

Strange response. I am not justifying anything. That's the job of the HSE, NIAC and NPHET. I already said it was being criticised on the radio this morning. You do know it's not decided right? Paul Reid (HSE CEO) had not even heard about it. Donnelly is examning it just like he is examining his Twitter usage I imagine. Were you expecting people to get angry at 18-30 year olds? I doubt it will happen. I honestly don't get your point but I sense you are not being rational here.

Bubbaclaus · 17-04-2021 3:52pm

lulublue22 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/under-30s-may-get-vaccinated-early-under-new-plan-being-considered-to-slow-covid-19-1.4539770

Just leaving this here for all those who were foaming at the mouth that teachers had the audacity to raise the issue of vacc for those who work with large numbers in less than ideal conditions. I presume the 18 - 30 year olds who can’t seem to follow guidelines and or restrict their socialising will fall in for the same level of vitriolic abuse as they push the elderly down the vacc queue. Before young teachers are mentioned as a stick they make up 13% of teaching staff.

Your point literally makes no logical sense. Is that deliberate?

Darc19 · 17-04-2021 3:56pm

lulublue22 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/under-30s-may-get-vaccinated-early-under-new-plan-being-considered-to-slow-covid-19-1.4539770

Just leaving this here for all those who were foaming at the mouth that teachers had the audacity to raise the issue of vacc for those who work with large numbers in less than ideal conditions. I presume the 18 - 30 year olds who can’t seem to follow guidelines and or restrict their socialising will fall in for the same level of vitriolic abuse as they push the elderly down the vacc queue. Before young teachers are mentioned as a stick they make up 13% of teaching staff.

Plenty of countries looked at this and I can see the reasoning behind it.

But with most adults getting at least one vaccine shot by end of June, it's probably not worth it.

You'd also have a large cohort thinking that they were invincible after vaccine which would cause further issues

https://www.google.com/search?q=young+people+vaccinated+first&oq=young+people+vaccinated+first&aqs

Triangle · 17-04-2021 4:05pm

lulublue22 wrote: »

Agh the justifications have begun - I’m looking forward to your robust debate on the vacc thread.

Getting angry at 18-30 yos over something they didn't ask for is just insane. They're not demanding anything. They're not feeling entitled to the vaccine over the elderly.
Donnelly is the force asking for this review. And I'm looking forward to the scientific response.

If NIAC come back and don't recommend it, and if donnelly then goes ahead with it. Then the outrage towards him will commence.

You seem to be arguing with emotion and not logic.

Claw Hammer · 17-04-2021 4:09pm

lulublue22 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/under-30s-may-get-vaccinated-early-under-new-plan-being-considered-to-slow-covid-19-1.4539770

Just leaving this here for all those who were foaming at the mouth that teachers had the audacity to raise the issue of vacc for those who work with large numbers in less than ideal conditions. I presume the 18 - 30 year olds who can’t seem to follow guidelines and or restrict their socialising will fall in for the same level of vitriolic abuse as they push the elderly down the vacc queue. Before young teachers are mentioned as a stick they make up 13% of teaching staff.

Teachers are demanding vaccination ahead of more deserving people on the basis of their occupation. No under 30 year old is demanding this. The reality is that there is insufficient enforcement of the social distancing measures and the under 30s are the most likely to take advantage of the lax enforcement regime.
The best outcome would be that the teachers would go on strike, be fired and vaccinated under 30's be given the jobs.

khalessi · 17-04-2021 4:10pm

Triangle wrote: »

Getting angry at 18-30 yos over something they didn't ask for is just insane. They're not demanding anything. They're not feeling entitled to the vaccine over the elderly.
Donnelly is the force asking for this review. And I'm looking forward to the scientific response.

If NIAC come back and don't recommend it, and if donnelly then goes ahead with it. Then the outrage towards him will commence.

You seem to be arguing with emotion and not logic.

Interestingly the teachers didnt feel entitled to vaccine over elderly either. They were asking to be reinstated after elderly and vunerable.

Claw Hammer · 17-04-2021 4:18pm

khalessi wrote: »

Interestingly the teachers didnt feel entitled to vaccine over elderly either. They were asking to be reinstated after elderly and vunerable.

They did feel entitled though, and still do!

khalessi · 17-04-2021 4:27pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

They did feel entitled though, and still do!

No keyboard warriors decided they were entitled. Gov originally had them listed after elderly and vunerable. Asking to be put back on list in cohort 9 and done in tandem is not entitled. But when the schools reopened, they took them off the list, as they got what they wanted, but didnt put in any other safety measures and are just hoping for the best, that the schools can get to the summer without investment. Gov dont care about schools, they grumbled last summer when asked to pay for soap, even suggested schools buy it first and get reimbursed later, but schools didnt have budget. Go with age but to not instigate any safety measures when faced with B117 and P1 is irresponsible.

I see the Prison Officers Union also not happy with vaccine list, but sure thats grand they arent teachers.

Claw Hammer · 17-04-2021 4:31pm

khalessi wrote: »

No keyboard warriors decided they were entitled. Gov originally had them listed after elderly and vunerable. Asking to be put back on list in cohort 9 and done in tandem is not entitled But schools reopened, then they took them off the list, but didnt put in any other safety measures and are just hoping for the best, that the schools can get to the summer without investment. Gov dont care about schools, they grumbled last summer when asked to pay for soap, even suggested schools buy it first and get reimbursed later, but schools didnt have budget. Go with age but to not instigate any safety measures when faced with B117 and P1 is irresponsible.

I see the Prison Officers Union also not happy with vaccine list, but sure thats grand they arent teachers.

They are back demanding? Are you saying that does not indicate felling entitled?
What kind of a school did you go to?
Comparisons with prison officers are ridiculous in these times. At one time schools were like prisons but since when does a teacher have to be handcuffed to anyone?

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