Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

normanoffside · 11-04-2021 10:48PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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What a shambles of a government.

So now every time someone appeals to the high court, they'll just take the country they came from off the list?

Valhallapt · 11-04-2021 10:52PM

normanoffside wrote: »

So now every time someone appeals to the high court, they'll just take the country they came from off the list?

Yea precedent seems to be set, the courts are not in favour of locking people up without trial

namloc1980 · 11-04-2021 10:53PM

normanoffside wrote: »

So now every time someone appeals to the high court, they'll just take the country they came from off the list?

Yeah because there's a strong chance MHQ will be found to be unconstitutional so the government will do whatever is necessary to keep it out of court. Anyone who goes to court will be released.

11-04-2021 10:56PM

so the boob job 2 should walk I feel, fair is fair.

11-04-2021 10:59PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Yea precedent seems to be set, the courts are not in favour of locking people up without trial

There’s probably a proportionality piece in there somewhere. ie not locking people up when it’s unnecessary, as they have come from a highly vaccinated country and are vaccinated themselves. If anything, this might force the government to put introduce some proportionality to the MHQ list, and to be clear on the criteria for coming on and off (so not just some ambiguous waffle about potential variants that might be a possible concern, maybe).

Ronaldinho · 11-04-2021 11:00PM

Someone influential is obviously on a jolly in St. Lucia

lawred2 · 11-04-2021 11:00PM

rusty cole wrote: »

so the boob job 2 should walk I feel, fair is fair.

They should walk indeed... Right into an organised crime investigation

11-04-2021 11:01PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Be very interesting to see how this pans out.I bet its one law for us,but because their "elites" their above the law.A bit like how the TD's are exempt from this travel ban.

TD traveling for work is. As are certain occupations but sports not included.

They are in enough grief as it is over the dittering without moving the goalposts (boom boom!) For sport

lawred2 · 11-04-2021 11:02PM

I really wish Stephen Donnelly would just go away. A complete dose at the worst possible time.

11-04-2021 11:02PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Yea precedent seems to be set, the courts are not in favour of locking people up without trial

Absolutely no precedent has been set as absolutely no hearing took place.

Courts lock people up daily without trial. As do Gardai. In fact the high court set it as part of a bail agreement in the dubai 2 case that they start in the quarantine hotel.

rusty cole wrote: »

so the boob job 2 should walk I feel, fair is fair.

One tested positive, despite what her mother claims in rags.

NSAman · 11-04-2021 11:02PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Someone influential is obviously on a jolly in St. Lucia

Wow, didn’t know we had direct flights.....

Valhallapt · 11-04-2021 11:05PM

I can only presume Ryanair will add a load of flights to tel aviv now.

11-04-2021 11:07PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I can only presume Ryanair will add a load of flights to tel aviv now.

I would certainly go. Very interesting place I would say

Sharpyshoot · 11-04-2021 11:07PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I really wish Stephen Donnelly would just go away. A complete dose at the worst possible time.

Like a shart?

Ronaldinho · 11-04-2021 11:09PM

NSAman wrote: »

Wow, didn’t know we had direct flights.....

Must you have flown directly from a country to be in scope?
I wondered how they got the guy from Israel. Don't think any direct flights at present but open to correction on all that.

NSAman · 11-04-2021 11:15PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Must you have flown directly from a country to be in scope?
I wondered how they got the guy from Israel. Don't think any direct flights at present but open to correction on all that.

Was wondering that too... the phrase “ who hasn’t been in another designated state” is what’s getting me

Designated as on the list?

fm · 11-04-2021 11:18PM

NSAman wrote: »

Was wondering that too... the phrase “ who hasn’t been in another designated state” is what’s getting me

Designated as on the list?

The Israeli girl came through frankfurt

Valhallapt · 11-04-2021 11:19PM

fm wrote: »

The Israeli girl came through franfurt

So they question is why she didn’t just say she had been in Frankfurt? Is there a penalty if caught not being honest? What is it?

saabsaab · 11-04-2021 11:27PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

So they question is why she didn’t just say she had been in Frankfurt? Is there a penalty if caught not being honest? What is it?

Are you suggesting people should lie?

11-04-2021 11:28PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I would certainly go. Very interesting place I would say

Tel Aviv is an absolutely wonderful city. Mile on mile of beach and boardwalk, a proper ancient old town, hipster parts of town with great coffee and cafes (and the food is amazing), a good shopping district, huge park and river, a serious party and clubbing scene, some proper high end bars and restaurants cheap as chips scooters to get everywhere, sunshine (though avoid high summer) and day trip distance from the Dead Sea, Jerusalem and some beautiful national parks. I’m well travelled and this is probably the only city that I think has something for literally everyone.

If it’s one of the first opportunities for travel, I’d encourage people to go

Valhallapt · 11-04-2021 11:29PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Are you suggesting people should lie?

Well they are locking up people from places with low covid rates, who have been vaccinated and tested negative, surely being limited with the truth is the only thing to do?

11-04-2021 11:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tel Aviv is an absolutely wonderful city. Mile on mile of beach and boardwalk, a proper ancient old town, hipster parts of town with great coffee and cafes (and the food is amazing), a good shopping district, huge park and river, a serious party and clubbing scene, some proper high end bars and restaurants cheap as chips scooters to get everywhere, sunshine (though avoid high summer) and day trip distance from the Dead Sea, Jerusalem and some beautiful national parks. I’m well travelled and this is probably the only city that I think has something for literally everyone.

If it’s one of the first opportunities for travel, I’d encourage people to go

I tend to avoid apartheid states for my holliers but sounds lovely all the same

caveat emptor · 12-04-2021 05:03AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's very obvious they don't think MHQ will stand up in court. I hope we see plenty more cases taken against this in the coming days.

Maybe so but it provides for extenuating circumstances. Some over zealous civil servant or someone afraid to make a decision.

He clearly should be allowed out and Is out. Good result but hopefully the change the process so that people don't have to sue.

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 08:41AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's very obvious they don't think MHQ will stand up in court. I hope we see plenty more cases taken against this in the coming days.

Why the hate if it can have a positive safety effect?

Just curious, unless your planning a trip away or planning on someone coming home to visit whats the actual issue?

The constitution should protect the people really, not be a legal get out of Quarantine in this case card.

Just find your opinion at odds with my own

faceman · 12-04-2021 09:07AM

How often is the MHQ list going to be updated? It’s another part of the transparency issue. I have to return to Ireland soon for some stuff that can no longer be put off but there’s too much uncertainty with Ireland and it’s bull**** system

And before someone says “you’ve to quarantine anyway”. If a country isn’t on the MHQ list you’re released from quarantine after 5 days if you test negative again.

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 09:33AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Because the positive safety effect is too small compared to the negative effects - denying people the change to see family and pissing off foreign workers for example. Removing all cars from the roads and insisting we all use bicycles or public transport would have a massive effect on road safety. We don't do that though because the negative effects would be too great. That's how I feel about our MHQ implementation.

I'm not against MHQ in general (although I think we're implementing it far, far too late). I'm unhappy with the current, poorly thought out implementation which doesn't allow exemptions or at least reductions in quarantine length for those with vaccines or negative tests.

I was originally not all that supportive but decided that if the science backs the choice and I think it must if the Gov have bent to putting EU nations (total assumption) on the list, then we should be happy they have tried to introduce.

I do think its badly planned, limited in the way its thought out, brought in too late if the science does back it etc. etc.

But I wouldn't be delighted to see people travelling for any reason and using our constitution as a get out of quarantine clause, I imagine for every 1 good reason there are dozens of totally unnecessary trips (once again total assumption).

I suppose i get where you are coming from and can understand, would like to see improvements rather than it scrapped if it could help is all..

Valhallapt · 12-04-2021 09:38AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Why the hate if it can have a positive safety effect?

Its a net negative effect - maybe 18 months ago there was some merit to it. But it's half baked and half implemented. When the US locked up asian looking people in WW2 - most people thought it was a positive safety effect.

namloc1980 · 12-04-2021 09:43AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

Why the hate if it can have a positive safety effect?

Just curious, unless your planning a trip away or planning on someone coming home to visit whats the actual issue?

The constitution should protect the people really, not be a legal get out of Quarantine in this case card.

Just find your opinion at odds with my own

Yes it should protect people from being arbitrarily detained by the State.

is_that_so · 12-04-2021 09:43AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

I was originally not all that supportive but decided that if the science backs the choice and I think it must if the Gov have bent to putting EU nations (total assumption) on the list, then we should be happy they have tried to introduce.

I do think its badly planned, limited in the way its thought out, brought in too late if the science does back it etc. etc.

But I wouldn't be delighted to see people travelling for any reason and using our constitution as a get out of quarantine clause, I imagine for every 1 good reason there are dozens of totally unnecessary trips (once again total assumption).

I suppose i get where you are coming from and can understand, would like to see improvements rather than it scrapped if it could help is all..

The Constitution is there to make sure we don't get bad laws and trample all over people's rights and that is how this should be characterised. A concern around the legislation is that the Health Act can now be used for whatever you like once you get the backing of the Dail. The need to resort to this approach is also the lack of robustness in home isolation.

12-04-2021 10:23AM

The USA does not meet the 2.5X factor, Donnelly said on morning ireland, that within the EU its about variants, outside the EU Case load 2.5X

this is nuts.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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