Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Away With The Fairies · 11-04-2021 10:19AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

With your logic what workable measures would you propose that allow us to also protect the tourism and aviation industries in the short to medium term (next 9 months)? It’s simply not feasible to continue as we are from an economic and livelihood standpoint.

With my logic, how do you protect people's health? A negative test doesn't say much though. You can still carry covid and still infect others on the flight. I don't understand how that is so difficult to understand.

Away With The Fairies · 11-04-2021 10:21AM

faceman wrote: »

How is someone who catches covid, or is a confirmed close contact self-isolating? Is it ok for them to isolate at home with others living in the house?

Or should we put them in a detention centre?

They're not detention centres but yes I would love to see isolation facilities here for people that are positive. But sure, that won't happen here.

faceman · 11-04-2021 10:27AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They're not detention centres but yes I would love to see isolation facilities here for people that are positive. But sure, that won't happen here.

Finally someone admits it. I have more respect for people who acknowledge that you can’t have MHQ without detaining confirmed cases and close contacts. Irish people and the media don’t even want to talk about it though. Most people can chose not to travel but no one can chose not to have covid.

Btw according to the state, people in quarantine are in detention per Saturday’s high court hearing

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0410/1208993-quarantine-detention-inquiry/

Away With The Fairies · 11-04-2021 10:33AM

faceman wrote: »

Finally someone admits it. I have more respect for people who acknowledge that you can’t have MHQ without detaining confirmed cases and close contacts. Irish people and the media don’t even want to talk about it though. Most people can chose not to travel but no one can chose not to have covid.

Btw according to the state, people in quarantine are in detention per Saturday’s high court hearing

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0410/1208993-quarantine-detention-inquiry/

Didn't we have facilities here for TB? I really don't understand why we don't have anything for covid.

ZX7R · 11-04-2021 10:55AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Didn't we have facilities here for TB? I really don't understand why we don't have anything for covid.

Dedicated medical facilities, hospitals. they weren't detention centres.
They could have family visitors
Only 8 people in Ireland in the Last 60 years have been detained for tuberculosis under health legislation.
2006 was the Last time it happened and that was due to the person not being of sound mind.

tiger_cub · 11-04-2021 11:39AM

faceman wrote: »

Tourism will be booming this week. :pac: :pac:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hundreds-book-tickets-to-fly-in-to-ireland-before-mandatory-quarantine-rules-kick-in-40299157.html

So basically the Gov won’t have enough rooms for current travel rates so are relying entirely on the deterrent of MHQ to stop people travelling and keep the number below a level they can provide for? So a defacto close the airport?

Why are no journalists looking into this? If Ryanair challenged Gov policy last summer and lost on the basis of the Gov conceding it was “advice” only, why is no one challenging this now? What’s going on in the background?

is_that_so · 11-04-2021 11:56AM

tiger_cub wrote: »

So basically the Gov won’t have enough rooms for current travel rates so are relying entirely on the deterrent of MHQ to stop people travelling and keep the number below a level they can provide for? So a defacto close the airport?

Why are no journalists looking into this? If Ryanair challenged Gov policy last summer and lost on the basis of the Gov conceding it was “advise” only, why is no one challenging this now? What’s going on in the background?

For journalists there is really no story here, the political system en masse back it and the public seem to be very big fans of it as well. To go down that road needs it challenges to succeed or for the "temporary" nature of it to drag on for months.

suicide_circus · 11-04-2021 12:47PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

Wtf is wrong with us?

ninebeanrows · 11-04-2021 12:56PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

Wtf is wrong with us?

Our great government put through shoddy legalisation to appease a mob of angry people on twitter.

You've seen how they have managed this pandemic, what more do you expect.

Every week brings a new low ebb.

I'm ashamed to be Irish today. How anybody can stand behind MHQ in Ireland today fails me.

saabsaab · 11-04-2021 12:59PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Our great government put through shoddy legalisation to appease a mob of angry people on twitter.

You've seen how they have managed this pandemic, what more do you expect.

Every week brings a new low ebb.

I'm ashamed to be Irish today. How anybody can stand behind MHQ in Ireland today fails me.

All major parties and the majority of people think it is the right way to go now and I agree. It won't be forever so just get on with it.

is_that_so · 11-04-2021 01:05PM

saabsaab wrote: »

All major parties and the majority of people think it is the right way to go now and I agree. It won't be forever so just get on with it.

10 cases in the hotels and 700+ in walk-ins suggest the priorities are wrong. A stronger home quarantine regime would be preferable.

saabsaab · 11-04-2021 01:11PM

is_that_so wrote: »

10 cases in the hotels and 700+ in walk-ins suggest the priorities are wrong. A stronger home quarantine regime would be preferable.

It might be true but even harder to implement and some don't have homes here.

faceman · 11-04-2021 01:22PM

saabsaab wrote: »

All major parties and the majority of people think it is the right way to go now and I agree. It won't be forever so just get on with it.

“Your father is about to die. You can’t see him. Just get on with it”

We’ve become monsters.

Ronaldinho · 11-04-2021 01:26PM

faceman wrote: »

“Your father is about to die. You can’t see him. Just get on with it”

We’ve become monsters.

Nonsense. The law's the law and he'll get his day in court to challenge it.

saabsaab · 11-04-2021 01:27PM

faceman wrote: »

“Your father is about to die. You can’t see him. Just get on with it”

We’ve become monsters.

Hard cases make bad law. Best to look at the bigger picture and not look at individual cases.

is_that_so · 11-04-2021 01:31PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Hard cases make bad law. Best to look at the bigger picture and not look at individual cases.

As does poorly crafted legislation. This has not allowed for fully vaccinated individuals and there seems to be complete randomness to how countries get on and off the list.

expectationlost · 11-04-2021 01:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

As does poorly crafted legislation. This has not allowed for fully vaccinated individuals and there seems to be complete randomness to how countries get on and off the list.

has the rest of his family been vaccinated? probably not.

faceman · 11-04-2021 01:32PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Hard cases make bad law. Best to look at the bigger picture and not look at individual cases.

What’s the bigger picture for that family?

faceman · 11-04-2021 01:33PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Nonsense. The law's the law and he'll get his day in court to challenge it.

Yeah because there’s nothing a family who’s father is about to die needs more than a case in the high court and media coverage.

is_that_so · 11-04-2021 01:36PM

expectationlost wrote: »

has the rest of his family been vaccinated? probably not.

I'm sure you planned to finish this point sometime.

MIDLANDSMAN · 11-04-2021 01:58PM

I'm still so angry and annoyed with this MHQ. I'm thinking what it must be like for a single person, maybe with little or no English to be met at the airport by soldiers and escorted to a hotel room and be put there in solitary for 14 days. They can meet no-one. Prisoners in for murder get better treatment and the prisoners don't have to pay for it. I'm ashamed to be Irish. We are the only EU country to do this. Why???

For a variant that doesn't exist? If it can bypass the vaccines then what do we do? How do we ever get out of the mess. I can see lawsuits, compensation, etc in years to come.

DebDynamite · 11-04-2021 02:01PM

How are the UK doing with their MHQ? In cases like this, would they let him skip quarantine on compassionate grounds, or would they still require him to quarantine? I’ve genuinely not heard, so am just curious.

Golfman64 · 11-04-2021 02:20PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

With my logic, how do you protect people's health? A negative test doesn't say much though. You can still carry covid and still infect others on the flight. I don't understand how that is so difficult to understand.

Transmission on flights has been shown and proven to be negligible - case closed on that one I’m afraid.

You still didn’t answer my question about how you protect the tourism and travel industries and enable a viable future for these industries in the coming months?

I’ve answered your question by suggesting we allow those fully vaccinated to bypass any quarantine requirements as it has been proven that vaccinations are highly effective at preventing both infection and transmission of all known variants. Admittedly there is less knowledge on transmission but what there is looks very positive and of this continues I would expect we can have this type of setup in place by mid June to provide the ability to those industries most affected (tourism and travel) to start ramping up significantly at that point.

I know that probably won’t fit your zero Covid loon agenda but you really need to realise how important a healthy domestic and international tourism and travel (both essential and non essential) is to our economy if we want to keep the lights on.

saabsaab · 11-04-2021 02:38PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Transmission on flights has been shown and proven to be negligible - case closed on that one I’m afraid.

You still didn’t answer my question about how you protect the tourism and travel industries and enable a viable future for these industries in the coming months?

I’ve answered your question by suggesting we allow those fully vaccinated to bypass any quarantine requirements as it has been proven that vaccinations are highly effective at preventing both infection and transmission of all known variants. Admittedly there is less knowledge on transmission but what there is looks very positive and of this continues I would expect we can have this type of setup in place by mid June to provide the ability to those industries most affected (tourism and travel) to start ramping up significantly at that point.

I know that probably won’t fit your zero Covid loon agenda but you really need to realise how important a healthy domestic and international tourism and travel (both essential and non essential) is to our economy if we want to keep the lights on.

Not fair. We need to bring this under control or there won't be any tourism. However I think that by end June we will have with the vaccine roll outs well on the way.

BobbyBolivia · 11-04-2021 02:52PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Nonsense. The law's the law and he'll get his day in court to challenge it.

Funny how the government just let him go then isnt it?

Almost as if they knew the whole thing would fall apart as soon as a court got to hear it.

But the law is the law! :rolleyes:

saabsaab · 11-04-2021 02:58PM

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Funny how the government just let him go then isnt it?

Almost as if they knew the whole thing would fall apart as soon as a court got to hear it.

But the law is the law! :rolleyes:

Time to move on.

Ronaldinho · 11-04-2021 02:59PM

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Funny how the government just let him go then isnt it?

Almost as if they knew the whole thing would fall apart as soon as a court got to hear it.

But the law is the law! :rolleyes:

Is it because the Govt. doesn't want to be made into the villain of the piece or because they're aware of defect in the law? One is as likely as the other I'd say.

hmmm · 11-04-2021 03:09PM

The problem I think for the Government (and all of us) now is that if some of these cases succeed it may affect all public health laws and restrictions.

I don't really have a problem with MHQ as a concept, but I have a problem with the cack-handed way it was implemented. They knew there would be hard cases, but they didn't have a response ready. Sure there is a risk that a vaccinated person may be carrying the virus, but it's a small risk and allowing vaccinated people to avoid MHQ would have been a small price to pay to avoid all this drama. They had no exit criteria, and couldn't tell anyone when this would end and under what circumstances. They knew also that some of our closest neighbours and biggest trading partners could end up on the list, and had no plan for if this happened - Poland and India should be on the list given the criteria they've talked about but aren't, I wonder is it because it would cause chaos.

FF jumped on this to keep SF happy and show FG up as weak on Covid. They own this mess and need to sort it out.

ZX7R · 11-04-2021 03:51PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Time to move on.

You have posted this response on two threads why,are you not even willing to admit for the good or bad ,MHQ is flawed.

saabsaab · 11-04-2021 03:58PM

ZX7R wrote: »

You have posted this response on two threads why,are you not even willing to admit for the good or bad ,MHQ is flawed.

Everything is flawed but it's better than no quarantine as in 'voluntary' quarantine.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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