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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    How many idiots came here and didn't quarantine at home? Went off to meet up with family and friends. It's these stupid idiots that ruin it for everyone else.

    How many idiots that are already here didn't quarantine at home? Went off to meet up with family and friends. It's these stupid idiots that ruin it for everyone else.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Corholio wrote: »
    How many idiots that are already here didn't quarantine at home? Went off to meet up with family and friends. It's these stupid idiots that ruin it for everyone else.

    I agree with this as well. Can we use some tracking device on these idiots?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    NSAman wrote: »
    Then you are an idiot.

    Most Irish people I know have been planning on how to see family for over a year and a half.

    I am in my house, going to the shops once a week. Not one person outside ofherself has been in this house. When we we’re able to get vaccinated we went immediately. We know it takes 2 to 4 weeks for effectivenesss to kick in. We still carry out all the hygiene controls. We know we have to be careful, for ourselves as well as everyone else. We could travel in the US but have chosen NOT to. It has cost me business by not travelling but hey my family especially my elderly mother are worth that.

    So now, with this stupid MHQ, we are both vaccinated, negative, have our own place to quarantine in Ireland and STILL have to go to a hotel?

    Despite us (and everyone I know in the same situation) playing by the rules, they are now saying they cannot trust us to quarantine ourselves properly?

    You can’t make this crap up.

    I know this will end and we will be able to see our families again, but Jesus talk about a bunch of muppets being reactionary!

    This MHQ is too late, it should have been done a year ago....

    So how does that fit your ridiculous narrative?

    I don't give much of a f-ck what you did or did not do over in the US + how you did everything right during the pandemic + would no doubt continue that when you arrive here.

    Yes, it was very stupid and weak of this country and our leaders/politicians to expect edit:(i.e. trust) all travellers coming in here to "isolate" or "restrict movements" during the pandemic unless they are actually forced to do that somehow.

    I think if some other places in Europe that were quite cautious and reacted strongly in how they dealt with the pandemic (i.e. likes of Germany - not our neighbour UK) had our natural advantages in this regard (can control most points of entry other than single land border with NI) they would have brought in such quarantine systems during last summer while in lockdown with the numbers going down.

    The govt. here are correcting that mistake to an extent and trying to act in accordance with what Irelands' public health experts advised them to do since April/May last year (when they rejected it out of hand out of fear + inertia instead) and what these fellow "idiots" are still advising them to do as far as I am aware.

    It may be late in the day now and hopefully can be gotten rid of quite soon (or at least scaled down), but people on thread are talking as if the mere fact of the development and production of working vaccines means we're all immune now (or soon will be) and this is over already. It is not.

    Things look good, and maybe it is pretty much over for 1 country (Israel) and some micro-states where they can vaccinate everyone in a day or a week, but for most of us there is a bit to go yet, even as regards a country like the US with plenty of vaccine for all who want a shot thanks to the hoarding/"America first" policies of Trump.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    I agree with this as well. Can we use some tracking device on these idiots?

    Thought that’s what the tracing app was meant to do, along with no one checking on people quarantining.... systemic system muppetry in Ireland, no one checking people are where they are supposed to be.

    Too many idiots, agreed, and a total lack of self accountability by people at home and those idiots who think everyone wants to see them immediately once off a plane...to show what a success they are abroad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    I don't give much of a f-ck what you did or did not do over in the US + how you did everything right during the pandemic + would no doubt continue that when you arrive here.

    Yes, it was very stupid and weak of this country and our leaders to expect all travellers coming in here to "isolate" or "restrict movements" during the pandemic unless they are actually forced to do that somehow.

    I think if some other places in Europe that were quite cautious and reacted strongly in how they dealt with the pandemic (i.e. likes of Germany - not our neighbour UK) had our natural advantages in this regard (can control most points of entry other than single land border with NI) they would have brought in such quarantine systems during last summer while in lockdown with the numbers going down.

    The govt. here are correcting that mistake to an extent and trying to act in accordance with what Irelands' public health experts advised them to do since April/May last year (when they rejected it out of hand out of fear + inertia instead) and what these fellow "idiots" are still advising them to do as far as I am aware.

    It may be late in the day now and hopefully can be gotten rid of quite soon, but people on thread are talking as if the mere fact of the development and production of working vaccines means we're all immune now (or soon will be) and this is over already. It is not.

    Things look good, and maybe it is pretty much over for 1 country (Israel) and some micro-states where they can vaccinate everyone in a day but for most of us there is a bit to go yet, even as regards a country like the US with plenty of vaccine for all who want a shot thanks to the hoarding/"America first" policies of Trump.

    Oh so you agree ...


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    And? She's in a hotel.

    You guys will be calling them concentration camps soon. And my position will be the same as it's been for years..

    Not sure who you are referring to as “you guys”. I’ve certainly never used Holocaust metaphors to refer to them, neither have most posters. Holocaust metaphors are unacceptable

    I have frequently referred to the “hotels” as detention centres which, per the legal team for the minister of health today, is a fair description. I’ve used MHQ in most recent posts because it’s a shorter acronym.
    wrote:
    If you don't want to be held for processing, don't go.

    This statement shows a level of a naivety that highlights a lack of public understanding in relation to what is happening. While it’s fair to say that while we do have a level of people travelling purely on tourism grounds who shouldn’t be at present, there are many essential reasons for travel that can’t be ignored. Already we are seeing people denied access to sick or dying family members, funerals missed etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    NSAman wrote: »
    Oh so you agree ...

    I agree with one phrase (it should have been done a year ago).

    I don't agree that as a result of how slow they were, there is no point doing anything at all about it now.

    I do hope the end is coming, but if not they (we) may need it and (imo) its better if they have something set up and running + legislation problems and kinks are worked out (as would have happened if they'd set this up last year as advised to).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭NSAman


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    I agree with one phrase (it should have been done a year ago).

    I don't agree that as a result of how slow they were, there is no point doing anything at all about it now.

    I do hope the end is coming, but if not they (we) may need it and its better if they have something set up and running + legislation problems and kinks are worked out (as would have happened if they'd set this up last year as advised to).

    So basically we all agree too fecking late as usual.

    It still takes personal responsibility by EVERYONE to get this done.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    faceman wrote: »
    Not sure who you are referring to as “you guys”. I’ve certainly never used Holocaust metaphors to refer to them, neither have most posters. Holocaust metaphors are unacceptable

    I have frequently referred to the “hotels” as detention centres which, per the legal team for the minister of health today, is a fair description. I’ve used MHQ in most recent posts because it’s a shorter acronym.



    This statement shows a level of a naivety that highlights a lack of public understanding in relation to what is happening. While it’s fair to say that while we do have a level of people travelling purely on tourism grounds who shouldn’t be at present, there are many essential reasons for travel that can’t be ignored. Already we are seeing people denied access to sick or dying family members, funerals missed etc.



    I'm not that naive really. I haven't seen my parents in years after two cancelled trips last year. One where my Dad was going to come to Vietnam, and one where I was visiting home. If something happens, I can't go home, because of quarantine there, and not being able to get into Vietnam again for God knows how long. A funeral isn't worth being away from my entire support network for months when it's most needed.

    I feel the pressure and worry of these quarantines / bans even if my life day to day is unaffected by Covid. My interest in Covid boils down to my fear that my parents get it, and my opinion is that lessening the risk of them dying from it is more important than me being able to go to their funeral.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    NSAman wrote: »
    So basically we all agree too fecking late as usual.

    It still takes personal responsibility by EVERYONE to get this done.

    Okay, I agree.
    Unfortunately the "everyone" bit is where it all fell apart in so many areas incl. travel. I think the personally responsible would be the majority everywhere. It's necessary but not sufficient I suppose.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 VeryWise


    It makes no sense, if I get tested and have COVID, even some new variant, I am trusted to isolate. If I am a close contact of a case I probably won’t be contacted as track and trace is under resourced. But if I am vaccinated, have a negative test but land from one of the named countries I need to be locked up for two weeks.

    We could do mass fast antigen testing of almost everyone and screen out a ton of cases, we could encourage sport and Vitamin D, we could contact trace. But no we go for this nonsense approach that will distract from the terrible vaccine roll out, missed early health development and cancer screenings. Issues that cost lives are ignored and this MHQ is just a big PR exercise with no stated targets or objectives.

    Also if the aim is to stop variants then anything less than full quarantine for ALL travellers including those from NI is needed. We have essentially spent all our money on half a car, it’s expensive, looks awful and does nothing useful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    VeryWise wrote: »
    It makes no sense, if I get tested and have COVID, even some new variant, I am trusted to isolate. If I am a close contact of a case I probably won’t be contacted as track and trace is under resourced. But if I am vaccinated, have a negative test but land from one of the named countries I need to be locked up for two weeks.

    We could do mass fast antigen testing of almost everyone and screen out a ton of cases, we could encourage sport and Vitamin D, we could contact trace. But no we go for this nonsense approach that will distract from the terrible vaccine roll out, missed early health development and cancer screenings. Issues that cost lives are ignored and this MHQ is just a big PR exercise with no stated targets or objectives.

    Also if the aim is to stop variants then anything less than full quarantine for ALL travellers including those from NI is needed. We have essentially spent all our money on half a car, it’s expensive, looks awful and does nothing useful.

    There are criminals online selling fake vaccination certs and negative test reports

    Agreed about NI, but apparently we cannot actually admit that is a different jurisdiction


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    What has the Government or NPHET done to help encourage tourism to resume?
    What happens when the EU, US and U.K reopen to vaccinated travellers or those with certs?

    Mandatory Hotel Quarantine should never have been introduced and especially not at this late stage.
    Where is the public consultation on the criteria being used to slap countries on the quarantine list?
    What or who has the economic figures to demonstrate the massive economic fallout from this? Who pays for this fallout on top of the billions in debt we've already accumulated and have no help from EU in paying back. Not to mention Biden is also looking at heavily taxing multinational corporations here.
    How will the Irish tourist industry survive if we're currently locking away our country from the rest of the world? A few weeks in July and August of domestic tourism isn't enough to sustain them. Why was the Quarantine brought in without an exit strategy? Who decided not to include vaccinated individuals as exempt from these measures? Why on Earth is there a nurse from Israel in quarantine, when she's fully vaccinated and we're crying out for nurses in this country?

    And I don't want to hear the word 'variant' in the replies. All vaccines in use in the EU work against all variants so this argument makes no sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    What has the Government or NPHET done to help encourage tourism to resume?
    What happens when the EU, US and U.K reopen to vaccinated travellers or those with certs?

    Mandatory Hotel Quarantine should never have been introduced and especially not at this late stage.
    Where is the public consultation on the criteria being used to slap countries on the quarantine list?
    What or who has the economic figures to demonstrate the massive economic fallout from this? Who pays for this fallout on top of the billions in debt we've already accumulated and have no help from EU in paying back. Not to mention Biden is also looking at heavily taxing multinational corporations here.
    How will the Irish tourist industry survive if we're currently locking away our country from the rest of the world? A few weeks in July and August of domestic tourism isn't enough to sustain them. Why was the Quarantine brought in without an exit strategy? Who decided not to include vaccinated individuals as exempt from these measures? Why on Earth is there a nurse from Israel in quarantine, when she's fully vaccinated and we're crying out for nurses in this country?

    And I don't want to hear the word 'variant' in the replies. All vaccines in use in the EU work against all variants so this argument makes no sense.

    Very apt username :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Variants the great unknown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Variants the great unknown.

    You're going to have to hide away for the next few years.

    There are 8bn people alive. At the end of this year ,at best, 1bn will have been vaccinate. That means the virus will be mutating among the vast majority of the world population for years generating many more variants

    What's your plan to manage "the variants"?


  • Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Diarmuid wrote: »
    You're going to have to hide away for the next few years.

    There are 8bn people alive. At the end of this year ,at best, 1bn will have been vaccinate. That means the virus will be mutating among the vast majority of the world population for years generating many more variants

    What's your plan to manage "the variants"?

    I'd imagine most developed or developing countries outside of the EU,US Israel and India or similar will get up to the same high numbers vaccinated once production continues to ramp up
    Meantime vaccine passports,rapid testing and mhq for less vaccinated countries will be in the mix to keep those variants out
    Its all pointing that way
    The beaches of Spain Greece,the Carribean or Florida arent too many months away from being safe
    But not yet


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd imagine most developed or developing countries outside of the EU,US Israel and India or similar will get up to the same high numbers vaccinated once production continues to ramp up
    Meantime vaccine passports,rapid testing and mhq for less vaccinated countries will be in the mix to keep those variants out
    Its all pointing that way
    The beaches of Spain Greece,the Carribean or Florida arent too many months away from being safe
    But not yet

    Spain has imposed fresh lockdowns. You cant even leave your town in some cases


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Spain has imposed fresh lockdowns. You cant even leave your town in some cases

    Restrictions were either added or enhanced for Easter across Spain. Cases are rising but centre 3 regions including Madrid.

    Valencia region on the other hand has the lowest rates in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I'd imagine most developed or developing countries outside of the EU,US Israel and India or similar will get up to the same high numbers vaccinated once production continues to ramp up
    Meantime vaccine passports,rapid testing and mhq for less vaccinated countries will be in the mix to keep those variants out
    Its all pointing that way
    The beaches of Spain Greece,the Carribean or Florida arent too many months away from being safe
    But not yet


    Good post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 The Great Gatsby


    Ok, let me see if I can get this straight . . . so, an Irish Citizen who is fully vaccinated, has a negative Covid test three days before arrival, and can self-isolate with family in the middle of nowhere in the west of Ireland, arrives at Shannon airport from USA/Canada/Italy/France, etc and is then put on a bus and taken with other passengers on a 2-3 hour bus trip to a hotel in Dublin to quarantine for 12 days at a cost to that person of at least 2k . . . I'm just trying to get my head around that and what exactly it accomplishes.


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    faceman wrote: »
    Restrictions were either added or enhanced for Easter across Spain. Cases are rising but centre 3 regions including Madrid.

    Valencia region on the other hand has the lowest rates in Europe.

    Lower than where? How have you decided this? The eu map shows all of Spain as red albeit getting close to orange


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lower than where? How have you decided this? The eu map shows all of Spain as red albeit getting close to orange

    https://www.thelocal.es/20210323/how-spains-valencia-region-achieved-one-of-europes-lowest-infection-rates/

    They are doing very well it seems.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Lower than where? How have you decided this? The eu map shows all of Spain as red albeit getting close to orange

    Not sure if you speak Spanish but it’s been covered in more detail in Spanish media too.


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    faceman wrote: »
    Not sure if you speak Spanish but it’s been covered in more detail in Spanish media too.

    Not nearly as much as I should but again, it depends on how you compare. I'm not picking a fight, just pointing out that it's a region. Is it being compared to provinces, cities, countries or just within Spain? I always take such statements with a pinch of salt because of the vagueness.

    Old info from a month ago. Spain ain't orange anymore and Dublin remains red so pcr test for me it seems. Spain as a whole is starting to tend the right way


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Not nearly as much as I should but again, it depends on how you compare. I'm not picking a fight, just pointing out that it's a region. Is it being compared to provinces, cities, countries or just within Spain? I always take such statements with a pinch of salt because of the vagueness.



    Old info from a month ago. Spain ain't orange anymore and Dublin remains red so pcr test for me it seems. Spain as a whole is starting to tend the right way

    Fair and I have scrutinised the data. Then again my main news source, Informacíon, tends to be solid with its news, impartial and in-depth. But it’s also been referenced in El Pais, RTVe and the English language papers. Ximo Puig, the region’s president has referenced it multiple times too. He’s quite a conservative president when it comes to covid measurements. While the data would allow him to relax restrictions further such as extend bar opening times, he hasn’t. He’s also run ad campaigns in Madrid in the run up to Easter to dissuade Madrid people breaking the rules and travelling here for the holiday.

    That being said, Valencia region (and 2 other regions) are not red on the EU map

    https://reopen.europa.eu/en


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Ok, let me see if I can get this straight . . . so, an Irish Citizen who is fully vaccinated, has a negative Covid test three days before arrival, and can self-isolate with family in the middle of nowhere in the west of Ireland, arrives at Shannon airport from USA/Canada/Italy/France, etc and is then put on a bus and taken with other passengers on a 2-3 hour bus trip to a hotel in Dublin to quarantine for 12 days at a cost to that person of at least 2k . . . I'm just trying to get my head around that and what exactly it accomplishes.

    A negative test doesn't tell much. You can still pick up covid infection between the test and flight.

    I'm not understanding why a vaccinated person would have to quarantine considering that vaccines is meant to be the way out. My guess is they really don't know much yet about this virus and vaccinated people can still pick up covid infections (similar to flu). So they have to go into quarantine as well.

    How is someone self-isolating with their family? Are you saying it's ok for an Irish person to fly home to their parents house? That's not self isolation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    A negative test doesn't tell much. You can still pick up covid infection between the test and flight.

    I'm not understanding why a vaccinated person would have to quarantine considering that vaccines is meant to be the way out. My guess is they really don't know much yet about this virus and vaccinated people can still pick up covid infections (similar to flu). So they have to go into quarantine as well.

    How is someone self-isolating with their family? Are you saying it's ok for an Irish person to fly home to their parents house? That's not self isolation.

    With your logic what workable measures would you propose that allow us to also protect the tourism and aviation industries in the short to medium term (next 9 months)? It’s simply not feasible to continue as we are from an economic and livelihood standpoint.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    How is someone self-isolating with their family? Are you saying it's ok for an Irish person to fly home to their parents house? That's not self isolation.

    How is someone who catches covid, or is a confirmed close contact self-isolating? Is it ok for them to isolate at home with others living in the house?

    Or should we put them in a detention centre?


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