Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How many idiots came here and didn't quarantine at home? Went off to meet up with family and friends. It's these stupid idiots that ruin it for everyone else.

How many idiots that are already here didn't quarantine at home? Went off to meet up with family and friends. It's these stupid idiots that ruin it for everyone else.

NSAman wrote: »

Then you are an idiot.

Most Irish people I know have been planning on how to see family for over a year and a half.

I am in my house, going to the shops once a week. Not one person outside ofherself has been in this house. When we we’re able to get vaccinated we went immediately. We know it takes 2 to 4 weeks for effectivenesss to kick in. We still carry out all the hygiene controls. We know we have to be careful, for ourselves as well as everyone else. We could travel in the US but have chosen NOT to. It has cost me business by not travelling but hey my family especially my elderly mother are worth that.

So now, with this stupid MHQ, we are both vaccinated, negative, have our own place to quarantine in Ireland and STILL have to go to a hotel?

Despite us (and everyone I know in the same situation) playing by the rules, they are now saying they cannot trust us to quarantine ourselves properly?

You can’t make this crap up.

I know this will end and we will be able to see our families again, but Jesus talk about a bunch of muppets being reactionary!

This MHQ is too late, it should have been done a year ago....

So how does that fit your ridiculous narrative?

I don't give much of a f-ck what you did or did not do over in the US + how you did everything right during the pandemic + would no doubt continue that when you arrive here.

Yes, it was very stupid and weak of this country and our leaders/politicians to expect edit:(i.e. trust) all travellers coming in here to "isolate" or "restrict movements" during the pandemic unless they are actually forced to do that somehow.

I think if some other places in Europe that were quite cautious and reacted strongly in how they dealt with the pandemic (i.e. likes of Germany - not our neighbour UK) had our natural advantages in this regard (can control most points of entry other than single land border with NI) they would have brought in such quarantine systems during last summer while in lockdown with the numbers going down.

The govt. here are correcting that mistake to an extent and trying to act in accordance with what Irelands' public health experts advised them to do since April/May last year (when they rejected it out of hand out of fear + inertia instead) and what these fellow "idiots" are still advising them to do as far as I am aware.

It may be late in the day now and hopefully can be gotten rid of quite soon (or at least scaled down), but people on thread are talking as if the mere fact of the development and production of working vaccines means we're all immune now (or soon will be) and this is over already. It is not.

Things look good, and maybe it is pretty much over for 1 country (Israel) and some micro-states where they can vaccinate everyone in a day or a week, but for most of us there is a bit to go yet, even as regards a country like the US with plenty of vaccine for all who want a shot thanks to the hoarding/"America first" policies of Trump.

fly_agaric wrote: »

I don't give much of a f-ck what you did or did not do over in the US + how you did everything right during the pandemic + would no doubt continue that when you arrive here.

Yes, it was very stupid and weak of this country and our leaders to expect all travellers coming in here to "isolate" or "restrict movements" during the pandemic unless they are actually forced to do that somehow.

I think if some other places in Europe that were quite cautious and reacted strongly in how they dealt with the pandemic (i.e. likes of Germany - not our neighbour UK) had our natural advantages in this regard (can control most points of entry other than single land border with NI) they would have brought in such quarantine systems during last summer while in lockdown with the numbers going down.

The govt. here are correcting that mistake to an extent and trying to act in accordance with what Irelands' public health experts advised them to do since April/May last year (when they rejected it out of hand out of fear + inertia instead) and what these fellow "idiots" are still advising them to do as far as I am aware.

It may be late in the day now and hopefully can be gotten rid of quite soon, but people on thread are talking as if the mere fact of the development and production of working vaccines means we're all immune now (or soon will be) and this is over already. It is not.

Things look good, and maybe it is pretty much over for 1 country (Israel) and some micro-states where they can vaccinate everyone in a day but for most of us there is a bit to go yet, even as regards a country like the US with plenty of vaccine for all who want a shot thanks to the hoarding/"America first" policies of Trump.

Oh so you agree ...

NSAman wrote: »

Oh so you agree ...

I agree with one phrase (it should have been done a year ago).

I don't agree that as a result of how slow they were, there is no point doing anything at all about it now.

I do hope the end is coming, but if not they (we) may need it and (imo) its better if they have something set up and running + legislation problems and kinks are worked out (as would have happened if they'd set this up last year as advised to).

It makes no sense, if I get tested and have COVID, even some new variant, I am trusted to isolate. If I am a close contact of a case I probably won’t be contacted as track and trace is under resourced. But if I am vaccinated, have a negative test but land from one of the named countries I need to be locked up for two weeks.

We could do mass fast antigen testing of almost everyone and screen out a ton of cases, we could encourage sport and Vitamin D, we could contact trace. But no we go for this nonsense approach that will distract from the terrible vaccine roll out, missed early health development and cancer screenings. Issues that cost lives are ignored and this MHQ is just a big PR exercise with no stated targets or objectives.

Also if the aim is to stop variants then anything less than full quarantine for ALL travellers including those from NI is needed. We have essentially spent all our money on half a car, it’s expensive, looks awful and does nothing useful.

What has the Government or NPHET done to help encourage tourism to resume?
What happens when the EU, US and U.K reopen to vaccinated travellers or those with certs?

Mandatory Hotel Quarantine should never have been introduced and especially not at this late stage.
Where is the public consultation on the criteria being used to slap countries on the quarantine list?
What or who has the economic figures to demonstrate the massive economic fallout from this? Who pays for this fallout on top of the billions in debt we've already accumulated and have no help from EU in paying back. Not to mention Biden is also looking at heavily taxing multinational corporations here.
How will the Irish tourist industry survive if we're currently locking away our country from the rest of the world? A few weeks in July and August of domestic tourism isn't enough to sustain them. Why was the Quarantine brought in without an exit strategy? Who decided not to include vaccinated individuals as exempt from these measures? Why on Earth is there a nurse from Israel in quarantine, when she's fully vaccinated and we're crying out for nurses in this country?

And I don't want to hear the word 'variant' in the replies. All vaccines in use in the EU work against all variants so this argument makes no sense.

Variants the great unknown.

Ok, let me see if I can get this straight . . . so, an Irish Citizen who is fully vaccinated, has a negative Covid test three days before arrival, and can self-isolate with family in the middle of nowhere in the west of Ireland, arrives at Shannon airport from USA/Canada/Italy/France, etc and is then put on a bus and taken with other passengers on a 2-3 hour bus trip to a hotel in Dublin to quarantine for 12 days at a cost to that person of at least 2k . . . I'm just trying to get my head around that and what exactly it accomplishes.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

A negative test doesn't tell much. You can still pick up covid infection between the test and flight.

I'm not understanding why a vaccinated person would have to quarantine considering that vaccines is meant to be the way out. My guess is they really don't know much yet about this virus and vaccinated people can still pick up covid infections (similar to flu). So they have to go into quarantine as well.

How is someone self-isolating with their family? Are you saying it's ok for an Irish person to fly home to their parents house? That's not self isolation.

With your logic what workable measures would you propose that allow us to also protect the tourism and aviation industries in the short to medium term (next 9 months)? It’s simply not feasible to continue as we are from an economic and livelihood standpoint.