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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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  • #2222
    AMKC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,268 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Oh this is great. I just hope they do not ruin Q the way they ruined Picard or Data is season 1.

    I can see it now Q comes back and says I knew it you humans made a mess of it I should have just ended it back then for you all.
    But no I gave you a second chance because you said the human race was worth it now look at you not even human anymore. You are on android like your android Data. Oh by the way where is Micro Brain and Golden face anyway?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #2223
    ilovesmybrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Seeing as Guinan is supposed to be coming back in this season, and we now know that Q is going to be present, the one thing I really hope they don't do is explain the history between Guinan and Q. I like that their antagonism is unexplained, or that we have no idea why Guinans wavy hands worry Q. Some things are best left alone!


  • #2224
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    ilovesmybrick wrote: »
    Seeing as Guinan is supposed to be coming back in this season, and we now know that Q is going to be present, the one thing I really hope they don't do is explain the history between Guinan and Q. I like that their antagonism is unexplained, or that we have no idea why Guinans wavy hands worry Q. Some things are best left alone!

    Rumours are that Guinan and Q are happily married in the new season.


  • #2225
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    ilovesmybrick wrote: »
    Oh. I enjoyed that, what a great surprise! Especially since I just dropped in to give out about the Disco trailer!

    Best not to even mention disovery anymore.


  • #2226
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    Best not to even mention disovery anymore.

    Maybe Q can fix that.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • #2227
    FFVII
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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B20sCtCSPFc&t=8s&ab_channel=ParamountPlus


  • #2228
    Greyjoy
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    To be honest the return of Q seems like a lazy bit of nostalgia to me. Q as a character removes an awful lot of tension from a story when you have an immortal omnipotent who can undo anything that happens in the episode.


  • #2229
    ilovesmybrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Greyjoy wrote: »
    To be honest the return of Q seems like a lazy bit of nostalgia to me. Q as a character removes an awful lot of tension from a story when you have an immortal omnipotent who can undo anything that happens in the episode.

    While it definitely has the potential to be a bit of lazy nostalgia, I don't think it necessarily has to have a negative impact on the story. Arguably two of the best TNG episodes, Tapestry and All Good Things pretty much concluded with Q, in some form, undoing the events of the episodes, but they were still phenomenal episodes.


  • #2230
    pixelburp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It depends on how it's approached: Season 1 of Picard did heavily hint towards a malaise with the captain, the sense that having hit proper old age, he was now looking back on a life of regrets, missed opportunities and so on. The appearance of Q could open the door to explore more of that: and at the risk of reading way too much into a trailer, the shot of the Stargazer could hint towards this. "Tapestry" is considered a top tier TNG episode for good reason, while returning to that well isn't especially lazy given we're now at a different point of Picard's life.

    edit: plus, we can't ignore Stewart's age; if this is Stargazer, then casting a younger man gives Stewart a less intense shoot if he's "gone" for multiple episodes on end.


  • #2231
    _Kaiser_
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    Maybe Q will show up in this and Discovery, declare "this is nonsense" and snap his fingers...

    .. Picard wakes up back in bed as in S1E1. It was all a bad dream!


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  • #2232
    Evade
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    How many seasons do the cast have in their contracts? If it's only the second season I can see the studio casting a younger Picard and following him on the Stargazer for season three and beyond.


  • #2233
    GM228
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    Evade wrote: »
    How many seasons do the cast have in their contracts? If it's only the second season I can see the studio casting a younger Picard and following him on the Stargazer for season three and beyond.

    Contracts are on a single season basis renewed (or not) for each subsequent season I would guess, think that is always the way it is done nowadays.


  • #2234
    ilovesmybrick
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    Evade wrote: »
    How many seasons do the cast have in their contracts? If it's only the second season I can see the studio casting a younger Picard and following him on the Stargazer for season three and beyond.

    I can't remember where I came across it, but I seem to remember that it was said somewhere that Picard was envisaged as a limited 3 season run. It may just have been a rumour, or may have changed since season 1 though.


  • #2235
    pixelburp
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    Presumably the longevity of the series is, ultimately, at the whim of Stewart's age and when/if he decides to retire. If it continues on it'll either be with Picard: The Younger Days, or a spin off of the main shows other characters.


  • #2236
    Stark
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    They talked about Jeri Ryan being their second choice if Patrick Stewart turned down the lead role so quite probable it could continue on with her. Though I think the opportunity was wasted after season 1. The Borg plot would have been perfect for Jeri Ryan in the lead role.


  • #2237
    Rawr
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    Stark wrote: »
    They talked about Jeri Ryan being their second choice if Patrick Stewart turned down the lead role so quite probable it could continue on with her. Though I think the opportunity was wasted after season 1. The Borg plot would have been perfect for Jeri Ryan in the lead role.

    I felt that Jeri Ryan was one of the good things with Picard. Seven seemed to have matured into a proper human, and given the time since Voyager that sort of made sense. Making her into a sort of action hero was a bit cringe, but there were some genuinely good moments, like when she sort of became a Borg Queen. (A scene that delighted, and annoyed in equal measure when they immediately flushed all of the Borg out of the cube).

    The tacked-on lesbian romance at the end was a bit of a disservice to her character, but in a weird way sort of mirrors what they did with her and Chakotay at the end of Voyager. I guess she'll always be condemned to experience last-minute end of season love-interests :P


  • #2238
    pixelburp
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    Jerri Ryan makes sense, I guess we'll see how much of Season 1 migrates to the second. I liked the crew of La Sirena way more than Discovery (in that they actually had personalities to have opinions about in the first place), but wouldn't weep either if they weren't to return. Knowing serialised TV it's likely/possible though they have multi-season contracts.


  • #2239
    Rawr
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    Jerri Ryan makes sense, I guess we'll see how much of Season 1 migrates to the second. I liked the crew of La Sirena way more than Discovery (in that they actually had personalities to have opinions about in the first place), but wouldn't weep either if they weren't to return. Knowing serialised TV it's likely/possible though they have multi-season contracts.

    I didn't mind most of La Sirena myself. Wouldn't mind if they dropped Dr. Agnes back at the Daystrom Institute. Never really warmed up to her and they sort of glossed over her murder of Maddox at little too damn quickly.

    That all said...wouldn't mind if they dropped any of them...not that invested yet.


  • #2240
    Stark
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    Rawr wrote: »
    The tacked-on lesbian romance at the end was a bit of a disservice to her character, but in a weird way sort of mirrors what they did with her and Chakotay at the end of Voyager. I guess she'll always be condemned to experience last-minute end of season love-interests :P

    In some ways the Chakotay thing was almost like a young unsure of herself lesbian going through the motions. It had total "homework assignment" chemistry all over it. "Oh this is what human women do. I guess I also need to go on dates with men in order to fit in".

    There was some speculation that herself and that wan who ripped out Ichev's eye were lovers before she was betrayed.


  • #2241
    Rawr
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    Stark wrote: »
    In some ways the Chakotay thing was almost like a young unsure of herself lesbian going through the motions. It had total "homework assignment" chemistry all over it. "Oh this is what human women do. I guess I also need to go on dates with men in order to fit in".

    There was some speculation that herself and that wan who ripped out Ichev's eye were lovers before she was betrayed.

    Quite possible. My main gripe is that despite Seven being a good example of a character with a long development arc, they sort of tack-on romance as an after thought. She deserves better than that I feel.


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  • #2242
    GreeBo
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Maybe Q can fix that.

    Unfortunately I reckon that would take more than omnipotence!


  • #2243
    Cookie_Monster
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    Will Q have aged? Will they address it?


  • #2244
    seamus
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    Rawr wrote: »
    Quite possible. My main gripe is that despite Seven being a good example of a character with a long development arc, they sort of tack-on romance as an after thought. She deserves better than that I feel.
    Ach. They had a load of ideas and materials for future Voyager episodes that got left in the writing room. The Chakotay romance was one of those things that should have stayed there too, but instead they tried to shoehorn it in at the end.
    Be nice to see it addressed though, without going over the top. Chakotay would definitely not be in Starfleet and would be involved in some form of resistance/defence force like Seven. They could bring him in for a cameo, and rather than a big soppy, "Oh it's my ex!" scene, Seven can just say that after Voyager returned home they went their separate ways and that was that.
    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Will Q have aged? Will they address it?
    Oh definitely, and it'll be as obvious as, "Look how *old* you've gotten Jean-Luc. Aging has always fascinated me. Do you think I've done a good job of making myself look old?".
    Maybe even a naff bit of CGI where young Q appears at first, then snaps his fingers and he's old. Obvious and corny, but don't say you wouldn't love it. :D

    For a more unexpected twist, I'd love to see more of DeLancie in a regular role, so it would be cool if he was allowed to "retire" from the Q and they made him mortal and he asked to be sent to Picard and made old. They could say that after the suicide of Q, the continuum changed their minds and started allowing Q to leave.
    I know they did this briefly in TNG, but making Picard a buddy duo with a mortal Q would be a lot of fun. They're definitely not going to do that.


  • #2245
    TheValeyard
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    Please dont ruin Q
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    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • #2246
    Stark
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    Maybe they'll use some of that creepy CGI de-ageing they had for Data on him :)


  • #2247
    Acosta
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Please dont ruin Q
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    Kurtzman and about 200 writers and producers are currently working on doing just that.


  • #2248
    silverharp
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    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Please dont ruin Q
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    dont worry, he will be treated as well as Seven of Nine was

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #2249
    Evade
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    silverharp wrote: »
    dont worry, he will be treated as well as Seven of Nine was

    If the must have Q shoot up a place for reasons I hope they at least have the courtesy to have him conjure up some Napoleonic aliens to do it.


  • #2250
    GM228
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    Q is ready to harass everyone!



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  • #2251
    corkie
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    GM228 wrote: »
    Q is ready to harass everyone!


    For convenience: -


    He's Back! Shoutout to Reddit by "Q" himself, Mr. John de Lancie! - Edit 2

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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