Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

hynesie08 · 07-04-2021 07:05PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah its infuriating and humiliating to

I had a ticket to one of the games but got it refunded. it would of given the economy a great boost esp with so many Polish/Slovaks living in Ireland as well as Spanish and Swedes.

Variants and not having the balls to take the risk is the reason for this

How would people who live here boost the economy?

So people with no tickets and no vaccine who wouldn't be able to go to the game anyway......

At least you're not blaming Dr Tony for this one.

Boggles · 07-04-2021 07:08PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah its infuriating and humiliating to

I had a ticket to one of the games but got it refunded. it would of given the economy a great boost esp with so many Polish/Slovaks living in Ireland as well as Spanish and Swedes.

Variants and not having the balls to take the risk is the reason for this

Which game?

PTH2009 · 07-04-2021 07:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

Which game?

Poland vs Slovakia (would of been Republic of Ireland or the North if we weren't so ****)

Was going up more for the fanzone (which was set to be on the Trinity college grounds) and atmosphere.

Hellrazer · 07-04-2021 07:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

only home fans are expected to be allowed into group matches and a "very limited" number of travelling supporters will be permitted for the latter stages of the tournament.
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They`ll still spend a fair few quid if hospitality was open.

JRant · 07-04-2021 07:50PM

Penfailed wrote: »

That's a fair point. It's also fair to say that some nursing homes have long term residents.

I vaguely remember a while back one of the nursing home reps saying that anyone in a nursing home for 3 years is considered a long term resident. The average stay in one of those homes is surprisingly short unfortunately.

07-04-2021 07:52PM

Penfailed wrote: »

That's a fair point. It's also fair to say that some nursing homes have long term residents.

Sure, but then that leads you into uncomfortable discussions about quality of life. Someone asked the question earlier “would you give up ten years of your life”. Well, it depends on the life. I’ve worked in nursing homes in my younger years, and if that’s the situation being talked about then my considered answer is unequivocally yes, I would risk (a very unlikely) ten years of the quality of life that the vast majority of nursing home residents have if it meant I could still see my loved ones, would not be left to the sole consideration of overburdened care workers to safeguard my dignity and insterests, and if my taking that risk would allow children to get their education and the country to keep on moving and would avoid the other detriments of lockdown that we have yet to account for.

Though I do realise that, regardless of how much I may have considered the issue at depth, it is infinitely easier for me to say that at not even half the average age of Covid death than it would be were I an 80-year-old diabetic, for instance. None of this is easy, and FWIW I don’t think anyone (well, most people) think it’s an easy time with a simple answer, or perhaps even a correct answer.

JRant · 07-04-2021 07:52PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I don't think its that people don't give a bollix - its that the public have been so brainwashed into believing in a big bad scary covid monster that they are wiling to lose out on multiple millions in tourism income because our useless leaders tell us to fear the big bad scary covid monster.

If these matches don't go ahead we will regret it in years to come.

At the rate they are adding countries to the list I doubt there'll be any countries not on it by the time June comes around.

AlekSmart · 07-04-2021 07:53PM

ypres5 wrote: »

I don't imagine the European tourists would appreciate being accosted by some swivel eyed loon pointing their phone at them demanding to know why they're doing here and if they know there's a pandemic on

Ah here bud !

Show some respect and appreciation for the members of NPHET :eek:

That said,the various members of NPHET who do go before the cameras,are actually taking on that appearance.

But it is also high time the Public were made aware of exactly how much NPHET as a body,is actually costing us....

AlekSmart · 07-04-2021 07:56PM

ypres5 wrote: »

Thank you for being the countries spokesperson boggles, your statesmanship is second only to your humility

All well'n good,but how many is "many"

07-04-2021 08:03PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Friend is over in Barcelona. All pubs and restaurants open for indoor dining until 6pm. After 6pm it's take away only, but everyone eats and drinks on the squares, streets and on the beach. There's a curfew at 10pm, and by 11pm the streets are empty. But it's close to normal life for much of the day. Community level grassroots sport is happening everywhere. There was a big cycling road race the other day with thousands lining the streets.

And guess what, their Covid numbers aren't crazy high.

It's sickening that people over there can live some sense of normality, can go for a meal, a drink, take part in outdoor sporting competitions, irregardless of whether you are elite or not, while here, you aren't even allowed onto an outdoor 400m athletics track to train by yourself - let alone compete in an outdoor sporting environment which poses negligible risk to anyone.

Do we have the best scientists in the world and the Catalans are simply wrong?

The way this has been handled here makes me ashamed to be Irish. The differences between here and the rest of Europe will become more and more pronounced as we enter the Summer.

Guy I work with is working from Spain. Couple of weeks ago in a meeting one of the guys joked about how bad his self-haircut was and the lad in Spain couldn't believe that we have barbers closed.
Buddy in Canada was complaining that they've closed indoor dining. I got a bit pissy with him. Next day he sent me an article about the appointments for kids' shoes nonsense and was like "You're not allowed to buy shoes!?" and I was like "Yeah, see why I had no sympathy for you?" :P

Boggles · 07-04-2021 08:26PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

They`ll still spend a fair few quid if hospitality was open.

These things usually cost the host country money.

Plus AFAIK attendance will be capped at 25% if it were to go ahead.

UEFA are dishing out terms and conditions, they can go do one as far as I am concerned.

GT89 · 07-04-2021 10:11PM

Can we please have this man running the country everything he says about this nonsense is a breath of fresh air
https://youtu.be/cnzRPJNKq0k

GT89 · 07-04-2021 10:16PM

Boggles wrote: »

These things usually cost the host country money.

Plus AFAIK attendance will be capped at 25% if it were to go ahead.

UEFA are dishing out terms and conditions, they can go do one as far as I am concerned.

Your misguided your thinking of things like hosting the entire World Cup or Olympics where new stadiums and infrastructure is built for one tournament. Euro 2020 is a couple of games in one stadium that is already built.

Think of it as more akin to hosting the Champions League final than the Olympics or World Cup.

Parachutes · 07-04-2021 10:50PM

I still don’t understand why the vulnerable can’t shield and the rest of us get on with it. Especially now that the vaccine rollout is all steam a head.

GT89 · 07-04-2021 10:52PM

Parachutes wrote: »

I still don’t understand why the vulnerable can’t shield and the rest of us get on with it. Especially now that the vaccine rollout is all steam a head.

Exactly that's the sensible option but I've heard every stupid argument against that now from the left.

Sharpyshoot · 07-04-2021 10:54PM

Parachutes wrote: »

I still don’t understand why the vulnerable can’t shield and the rest of us get on with it. Especially now that the vaccine rollout is all steam a head.

Nphet says no.

07-04-2021 11:01PM

Parachutes wrote: »

I still don’t understand why the vulnerable can’t shield and the rest of us get on with it. Especially now that the vaccine rollout is all steam a head.

I suggested this about halfway through, to a woman in her late 70s with multiple risk conditions, and her answer was “why should we have to stay in if everyone else can go out?”

My answer that it’s because she’s at risk and she shouldn’t “have” to but should be facilitated to if she so chose was not good enough.

Well anyway she got her second jab a couple of weeks ago and now she’s all pissy that she can’t go out to lunch and leave the younger people who have sacrificed so much to rot while she flashes her savings in Penneys.

gozunda · 07-04-2021 11:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's relevant because the calculation of life expectancy accounts for the entirety of a given age cohort, whereas we already know that Covid-19 is MUCH more likely to kill those who have pre-existing health issues, such as those that would land them in a nursing home.

It is therefore disingenuous to suggest that the average life years lost by people who died within X days of a positive Covid test would be the same as average life years lost to the age cohort.

Comparing the heretofore life expectancy of the people who died, accounting for their pre-existing conditions, and comparing that with when they actually died, would give a better picture. The average expected remaining life of all 83-year-olds is not the same thing as the average expected remaining life expectancy of an 83-year-old in a nursing home with late-stage dementia.

Age itself is a risk factor with regard to covid deaths.

Additionally not all nusing home residents are "83" years of age. Some are younger - some are older. But not all have additional underlying conditions other than old age itself. Reasons for stay in a nursing home are complex. Such stays for example may cover additional care required after a fall until the person is able to return to their home or a period of respite care.

A report of nursing homes Ireland from 2018 detailed that more than half of nursing home residents are over the age of 85. Periods spent in nursing homes by older people have decreased. With more older people are staying at home for longer either through family support, a HSE homecare service or increasingly privately paid-for homecare.

GT89 · 07-04-2021 11:34PM

I know one person in their 20s with no underlying conditions who's completely paranoid about catching and spreading covid wears a mask with a visor going into a shop. There's another I know in their 60s with a few underlying conditions who hates wearing a mask, thinks their ridiculous and thinks covid is overblown and people should be let live normally.

dublinbando · 07-04-2021 11:39PM

I just wonder about the people who go around wearing masks outdoors, I've seen people walking in my local park with masks on smh, fair enough walking around a busy city, but in a park in the suburbs what do ye be thinking like :pac:

LessOutragePlz · 07-04-2021 11:40PM

dublinbando wrote: »

I just wonder about the people who go around wearing masks outdoors, I've seen people walking in my local park with masks on smh

Yeah I don't understand the outdoor maskers at all myself either.

GT89 · 07-04-2021 11:51PM

dublinbando wrote: »

I just wonder about the people who go around wearing masks outdoors, I've seen people walking in my local park with masks on smh, fair enough walking around a busy city, but in a park in the suburbs what do ye be thinking like :pac:

I don't really care if people choose to wear a mask in a park it's a bit odd but hey each to their own. I am not against masks I am more pro freedom and against mandatory masks. If on the flipside the government made it illegal to wear a mask I'd also be against that because people should have the right to choose what's best for them.

gozunda · 07-04-2021 11:58PM

ypres5 wrote: »

I think it sticks in some people's craw that the uk are miles ahead of us in nearly every regard. Crabs in a bucket basically

No not with me it doesn't. Fair play to them tbh.

They used their brexit ticket to secure early vaccines supplies and are producing their own supplies as well. One concern would be that the UK on deciding to leave a 12-week gap between Covid-19 vaccine doses could potentially backfire if for any reason there are issues with vaccine supplies later on for example. Especially condidering that protection from a second dose is required to make sure a person's immune system can consolidate this protection for the long term.

The rest of Europe - ourselves included are on a somewhat slower trajectory with regard to vaccinations supplies. Although in contrast to the UK - afaik second doses here are being administrated as each due date is reached as per clinical advice.

ypres5 · 08-04-2021 12:31AM

GT89 wrote: »

I don't really care if people choose to wear a mask in a park it's a bit odd but hey each to their own. I am not against masks I am more pro freedom and against mandatory masks. If on the flipside the government made it illegal to wear a mask I'd also be against that because people should have the right to choose what's best for them.

I've seen posts on reddit (american sections of the website, not R/ireland) where people have torn into others for not wearing a mask at all times and several people on the thread saying they do so. When I'm outdoors I don't wear a mask but I put one on as soon as I go into a shop and take it straight off again when I'm done. Tbh I don't think a mask outdoors is of much use and I think there's a certain amount of virtue signaling in doing so, to use a term I normally hate.

mcsean2163 · 08-04-2021 12:32AM

GT89 wrote: »

I don't really care if people choose to wear a mask in a park it's a bit odd but hey each to their own. I am not against masks I am more pro freedom and against mandatory masks. If on the flipside the government made it illegal to wear a mask I'd also be against that because people should have the right to choose what's best for them.

I don't care if someone wants to wear a mask in a park but agree with op. Why?

08-04-2021 12:36AM

gozunda wrote: »

Age itself is a risk factor with regard to covid deaths.

Yes. And “stacks” with other risk factors such that an otherwise healthy 80 year-old is far less likely to die from Covid than an 80 year-old with several risk-adding conditions - supporting my point that the average expected remaining life for all people in a given age group cannot be used to estimate average life years lost to Covid, when Covid disproportionately affects those who are in that age group *with* additional risk factors.

The same way you wouldn’t suggest that a 30 year old with T2 diabetes and high blood pressure and an autoimmune condition has the same life expectancy as a 30 year old who has no known conditions.

I hope that simplifies it for you.

Whatsisname · 08-04-2021 12:52AM

I’ve seen a few people go for runs in a mask. Each to their own but that’s mad to me.

gozunda · 08-04-2021 01:22AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I've seen posts on reddit (american sections of the website, not R/ireland) where people have torn into others for not wearing a mask at all times and several people on the thread saying they do so. When I'm outdoors I don't wear a mask but I put one on as soon as I go into a shop and take it straight off again when I'm done. Tbh I don't think a mask outdoors is of much use and I think there's a certain amount of virtue signaling in doing so, to use a term I normally hate.

Not sure its 'virtue signaling" tbf. There are those with underlying conditions who chose to protect themselves and wear a mask as routine. For example- exercising in the park / going for a walk. Its not possible to know how many people will be there- so they take a proactive stance and wear a mask to help reduce any risk of close proximity.

The strange thing about this - is that other countries which have periodically lowered their restrictions such as Spain - mandate that masks should be worn outdoors at all times. We don't. But people do have that choice if they wish to do so.

gozunda · 08-04-2021 01:41AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. And “stacks” with other risk factors such that an otherwise healthy 80 year-old is far less likely to die from Covid than an 80 year-old with several risk-adding conditions - supporting my point that the average expected remaining life for all people in a given age group cannot be used to estimate average life years lost to Covid, when Covid disproportionately affects those who are in that age group *with* additional risk factors.

The same way you wouldn’t suggest that a 30 year old with T2 diabetes and high blood pressure and an autoimmune condition has the same life expectancy as a 30 year old who has no known conditions.

I hope that simplifies it for you.

Thanks for your "simplification". No one suggest that multiple co-morbidities are not a factor in covid deaths or serious infection.

The point is that in each age cohort is that there are those at risk. Its part of the profile of that group - not separate from it such as discrete age and gender. Your idea also ignores that many of those with underlying conditions are unaware that they have such conditions. High blood pressure is a case in point.

An Irish heart health public check unit - reported that 41% of participants across a broad range of age groups were found to have high blood pressure of which they were unaware.

Solely targeting age - also ignores the issue of gender - where men are up to twice as likely to die from Covid as women of the same age as them.

But perhaps more importantly the survey which you're commenting on acknowledged that:

The analysis uses average life expectancies at each age. These may be overestimates as those who died from COVID-19 were more likely to have co-morbidities than their peers and may have had lower life expectancies. Our overall estimate should therefore be seen as an upper bound on the number of years of life lost from COVID-19...

So yes in considering mortality and risk of serious infection - its important not to over simplify such data by focusing on one factor alone.

GT89 · 08-04-2021 01:44AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I don't care if someone wants to wear a mask in a park but agree with op. Why?

I can understand with elderly folk and people with underlying conditions who over the last year have been frightened into oblivion due to covid by the msm. With younger people with no underlying conditions it is pure paranoia.

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