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Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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  • #902
    GreeBo
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    does it really matter if he was 6'2" or 6'8"? Not really relevant when you are lying handcuffed on the ground with somebody kneeling on your neck.

    This.


  • #903
    Mellor
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    His height and weight are being used as a distraction point.
    I'm just repeating what I read in one post, the one that had "African" in it.

    I agree that the exact height doesn’t matter to the criminality and the trial here.
    But if people lying about those things to paint a picture, it doesn’t reflect well on their faith in the truth.

    As it turns out. I just checked the autopsy.

    “ The body is that of a normally developed, muscular and adequately nourished appearing, 6 feet 4 inch long, 223 pound male whose appearance is consistent with the reported age of 46 years.


  • #904
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    Mellor wrote: »
    I agree that the exact height doesn’t matter to the criminality and the trial here.
    But if people lying about those things to paint a picture, it doesn’t reflect well on their faith in the truth.

    As it turns out. I just checked the autopsy.

    “ The body is that of a normally developed, muscular and adequately nourished appearing, 6 feet 4 inch long, 223 pound male whose appearance is consistent with the reported age of 46 years.

    The picture is being painted by the defense, dead men tell no lies, but the killer/s and their defense can.

    The 6'4
    223 pounds
    Violent criminal past
    Resisted arrest
    High on drugs
    Etc etc

    He lay dead under 3 cops for minutes on end, with no duty of care being provided too him.


  • #905
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Mellor wrote: »
    I agree that the exact height doesn’t matter to the criminality and the trial here.
    But if people lying about those things to paint a picture, it doesn’t reflect well on their faith in the truth.

    As it turns out. I just checked the autopsy.

    “ The body is that of a normally developed, muscular and adequately nourished appearing, 6 feet 4 inch long, 223 pound male whose appearance is consistent with the reported age of 46 years.

    i think you are been extremely petty.
    Just because someone says a height maybe an inch or two differing to his exact height doesn't mean anything about their faith in the truth..

    He looked a massive guy to me...wasn't the term used to describe him "a gentle giant".....I only can imagine that someone that height/weight would take alot to restrain especially if in the case of george floyd most of the arresting officers looked very average heights...


  • #906
    BattleCorp
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    The picture is being painted by the defense, dead men tell no lies, but the killer/s and their defense can.

    The 6'4
    223 pounds
    Violent criminal past
    Resisted arrest
    High on drugs
    Etc etc

    All of the above is correct. 100%


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  • #907
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    The picture is being painted by the defense, dead men tell no lies, but the killer/s and their defense can.

    The 6'4
    223 pounds
    Violent criminal past
    Resisted arrest
    High on drugs
    Etc etc

    He lay dead under 3 cops for minutes on end, with no duty of care being provided too him.

    What do you think the job of a defense team is? most of it was true surely? didn't he hold a knife to a pregnant woman.?..I'd hardly call him a petty criminal...


  • #908
    charlie_says
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i'm sure his trachea is in the normal place. His carotid artery is also in the normal position on the side of his neck and pressing on that will stop blood flow to the brain and death in very short order.

    Yes this is true, however this would leave considerable evidence of asphyxial injury to the brain which was absent from the autopsy.

    See page 9 of the medical examiners report.

    https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

    So you are correct in your claim but the evidence doesn't support it in this case. Which is reasonable doubt my friend.


  • #909
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    penny piper wrote: »
    What do you think the job of a defense team is? most of it was true surely? didn't he hold a knife to a pregnant woman.?..I'd hardly call him a petty criminal...

    I thought my previous posts made things pretty clear cut.. I'll refresh again..

    Why does any of that matter when George Floyd is laying under 3 cops dead?


  • #910
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mellor wrote: »
    The other day I asked how tall he was.
    I was told 6’2”, then 6’4” then another poster repeated over and over that he was a 6’8” African.
    That’s the height that most people are now posting.
    Has been verified? As the same posted that first posted knocked a few inches off Chauvind height for good measure. :rolleyes:

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  • #911
    GreeBo
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    All of the above is correct. 100%

    None of which is punishable by death.


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  • #912
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    I thought my previous posts made things pretty clear cut.. I'll refresh again..

    Why does any of that matter when George Floyd is laying under 3 cops dead?

    You gave a description of what mr.chauvan's defense team was using.... I merely replied back with "what do you think a defense team does? and that I wouldn't call mr.floyd a petty criminal....in other words I was agreeing with the defense team's description of floyd.


    Ofcourse, it matters that the defense team describe the person/scene/ but that scene is to benefit his client.....it's up to the prosecution to bring up the fact about the way george floyd died. Actually today in the court case the defense team has brought up the fact that whilst george floyd was been restrained he was saying "I ate too many drugs".......


  • #913
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    penny piper wrote: »
    You gave a description of what mr.chauvan's defense team was using.... I merely replied back with "what do you think a defense team does? and that I wouldn't call mr.floyd a petty criminal....in other words I was agreeing with the defense team's description of floyd.


    Ofcourse, it matters that the defense team describe the person/scene/ but that scene is to benefit his client.....it's up to the prosecution to bring up the fact about the way george floyd died. Actually today in the court case the defense team has brought up the fact that whilst george floyd was been restrained he was saying "I ate too many drugs".......

    The picture the defense is looking to paint is that George Floyd was a danger to the cops..

    He stops being that picture when he is laying dead.


  • #914
    charlie_says
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1379820280986632193

    Anyone watching this? Did this really just happen?


  • #915
    BattleCorp
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    None of which is punishable by death.

    100% agree.


  • #916
    BattleCorp
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    The picture the defense is looking to paint is that George Floyd was a danger to the cops..

    He stops being that picture when he is laying dead.

    He wasn't always dead though. There was a point where he did pose a threat to the cops.


  • #917
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    He wasn't always dead though. There was a point where he did pose a threat to the cops.

    Thanks for pointing that out. I'm now enlightened about all things.

    He posed a threat.. gets handcuffed, resists arrest.. is put face down on the ground with 3 cops on top of him..

    At what point does he stop being the threat of being a 6'4 223 pound man with a violent past that is high on drugs..

    We know the next lying picture the defense has lined up, the bystanders distracting him, the bystanders were maybe a threat this is the defenses reasoning for not removing themselves from a dead man.


  • #918
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    The picture the defense is looking to paint is that George Floyd was a danger to the cops..

    He stops being that picture when he is laying dead.

    Well ...again that is what a defense team will do.....and at times there ..it can't be denied he could have been considered a danger....high on drugs.(it's just be recorded in court how he said "I ate too many drugs" in the police car..resisting arrest...look to be straight it's not like he didn't know that he should have got into the car as requested... ...hadn't he been arrested numerous times before?.....you have to look at it from what he could have done/possibilities/safety of police and what decisions officers have to make quickly.
    The medic, Nicole Mackenzie explained yesterday that sometimes for certain reasons officers do not give medical assistance until an ambulance arrives for varying reason... ...prosecution witnesses are agreeing with the prosecution...then when eric nelson questions them ...they basically agree with him....


  • #919
    BattleCorp
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    We know the next lying picture the defense has lined up, the bystanders distracting him, the bystanders were maybe a threat this is the defenses reasoning for not removing themselves from a dead man.

    Can you see how biased you are?

    Saying 'the next lying picture'. You've him already convicted, hanged drawn and quartered without hearing the evidence.


  • #920
    ohnonotgmail
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    He wasn't always dead though. There was a point where he did pose a threat to the cops.

    and that point ended when he was handcuffed on the ground.


  • #921
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    and that point ended when he was handcuffed on the ground.

    It didn't end there infact when he was out on the ground he was kicking the police officers....you can still bite/kick when you are on the ground...


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  • #922
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Can you see how biased you are?

    Saying 'the next lying picture'. You've him already convicted, hanged drawn and quartered without hearing the evidence.

    That picture is already being played out by the defense when questioning people in court.


  • #923
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Can you see how biased you are?

    Saying 'the next lying picture'. You've him already convicted, hanged drawn and quartered without hearing the evidence.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116815144&postcount=887

    change his height and weight.. 6'4 223 pounds. he still needed to be restrained with force.

    Still biased?


  • #924
    pjohnson
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    He wasn't always dead though. There was a point where he did pose a threat to the cops.

    Do you not realise that there was a point where Floyd stopped being a threat yet remained alive?

    The defence angle that Chauvin cant tell the difference between a threat and a dead person really removes any credibility he and his team had.


  • #925
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    hypothetical question:

    If George Floyd had drove off in the car (the car in which the police officer's approached him) high on drugs and killed a number of pedestrians (adults/children) .....was apprehended by the same police officers ....behaved the same way...resisting arrest./saying he can't breathe/he ate too many drugs etc..was restrained the same way (remembering the officer's had to deal with somone unknown to them) and the same ultimate situation arose...he died...

    Would you still say Chauvan was a "murderer" as some agree on....or would you have a different view???

    I'd say the officers were carrying out their duty in a difficult situation..


  • #926
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,362 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    penny piper wrote: »
    hypothetical question:

    If George Floyd had drove off in the car (the car in which the police officer's approached him) high on drugs and killed a number of pedestrians (adults/children) .....was apprehended by the same police officers ....behaved the same way...resisting arrest./saying he can't breathe/he ate too many drugs etc..was restrained the same way (remembering the officer's had to deal with somone unknown to them) and the same ultimate situation arose...he died...

    Would you still say Chauvan was a "murderer" as some agree on....or would you have a different view???

    Hypothetical question:

    What if Chauvin had a lightsaber and turned out to be Kylo Ren? About as relevant.


  • #927
    [Deleted User]
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    penny piper wrote: »
    hypothetical question:

    If George Floyd had drove off in the car (the car in which the police officer's approached him) high on drugs and killed a number of pedestrians (adults/children) .....was apprehended by the same police officers ....behaved the same way...resisting arrest./saying he can't breathe/he ate too many drugs etc..was restrained the same way (remembering the officer's had to deal with somone unknown to them) and the same ultimate situation arose...he died...

    Would you still say Chauvan was a "murderer" as some agree on....or would you have a different view???
    Third degree murder, yes. That wouldn't make the hypothetical crime acceptable. Do you think it's suddenly acceptable to do it in the wake of a violent crime?


  • #928
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Hypothetical question:

    What if Chauvin had a lightsaber and turned out to be Kylo Ren? About as relevant.

    Thanks for your answer...


  • #929
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    Hypothetical question... What if, chauvin listened too the junior officer beside him rolled him over, sees he's non responsive no pulse and start chest compressions to keep the oxygen flowing until the paramedics arrive.. then he gets passed onto them and he survived...

    Chauvin becomes like a hero? It's all caught on tape, they fought with a guy resisting arrest, who then dies and then brought back to life..

    But yeah, all hypothetical.


  • #930
    pjohnson
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    penny piper wrote: »
    Thanks for your answer...

    Your welcome.


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  • #931
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Third degree murder, yes. That wouldn't make the hypothetical crime acceptable. Do you think it's suddenly acceptable to do it in the wake of a violent crime?

    Personally, I think alot of people would be grateful to the officer's for doing their duty in a difficult situation....I think the charges against the officers wouldn't go ahead......that's been completely honest....


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