Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

lee_baby_simms · 05-04-2021 10:03PM

robindch wrote: »

Yes, because some people feel a responsibility to avoid doing things which might lead to the deaths of other people.

Though I concede entirely that loads of people don't feel any such responsibility - so what if you do something which leads to somebody else's death? It's somebody else and they have to die of something anyway.

It's the prerogative of the spoiled, the arrogant and the socially autistic.

What does socially autistic mean?

hynesie08 · 05-04-2021 10:05PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony on the phone to his NPHET members saying 'doom doom doom, new undiscovered variant is as deadly as ever and more powerful than the vaccines'

You really enjoy attacking a man you've never met for a job he's not even doing at the moment. Would you say that's a reflection on you?

Del Griffith · 05-04-2021 10:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

To coerce people who have less risk from flu than from covid to receive a medical treatment they don't want to. That's the reason.

Deleted User wrote: »

Idiotic comments abound

Beasty wrote: »

Cut out the conspiracy theory stuff

In my opinion it's neither idiotic nor a "theory", conspiracy or otherwise.

I don't need to look far to come to that conclusion since I myself am literally a case-in-point for the scenario.

Since the data following the initial surge became available I have felt no need whatsoever to take the vaccine, not because of "Bill Gates wants to kill us" or whatever else wacky fringe conspiracy is out there but because I'm healthy, on the right side of 40, and not anywhere near at risk of this thing. If I catch it or have caught it already, my symptoms are highly likely be mild to non-existent. I've as of yet never taken a flu vaccine and similarly there is no personal need for me to take a Covid19 vaccine. (Customary reminder here yet again that although Israel's data is promising so far, none of the vaccines have been designed or trialed to stop the spread).

However I travel a lot, and given that the Governments at large (and Ireland more than most) are content to make life as hard as possible for those without a vaccine in their system, soon as I'm offered it now I'll be there within the hour, without question. Anything to lesson the f*cking bull**** we have to endure cos of this thing so I'll take it in the arm asap.

So where's the conspiracy in the above? The original post sounds about right for my case.

Maybe the mods should leave their personal opinions aside when on modding duty in this forum.

There will be incentives to getting the vaccine or on the flip side, restrictions (or you could say, restrictive punishments) for those that don't. That's clear as day.

SusieBlue · 05-04-2021 10:05PM

It’s easy to say it’s ‘just another few months’ when you aren’t trying to survive and support yourself and possibly a family on the PUP.
Or perhaps paying off your business loans using what’s left of your decimated personal savings cause your business has been forcibly closed for 6 of the last 7 months. Or mentally struggling with the isolation, loneliness, and sheer desperation with absolutely no end in sight.

We are still trying to squeeze more and more from the people who have arguably sacrificed the most, I am lucky to still be working but I can see why someone young, healthy and out of work would be so disillusioned by now that they’re just doing as they please.
There seems to be little to no concern for their suffering and sacrifice, so why shouldn’t they meet up with a few friends to pass the endless weeks on end stuck at home?

There is a absolutely nothing selfish or weak about putting yourself and your own needs first after a whole year of monumental personal, social and financial sacrifice to protect other people.
There comes a time for when a person must act in the best interests of themselves and their families and this is one of those times. The government are sacrificing the many for the few, and that’s why people have taken these decisions into their own hands. They know they’ll be waiting a long time before the government do anything for them.
I would argue that those who are perpetuating this situation, pointing fingers and still asking for yet more sacrifice are the selfish ones here.

robindch · 05-04-2021 10:07PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

robindch wrote: »

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

My hope is the tide is turning on MM being ousted finally.

Thrilled to hear what you want out of the pandemic.

Yes, I've always hoped for a global pandemic, it was the only way I could conceive of a FF change in leadership. At last.

You said you wanted a change in FF leadership and showed no interest in how it happened.

By all means, go back and edit your post if you wish to disagree with yourself.

robindch · 05-04-2021 10:12PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

What does socially autistic mean?

"Autism" refers to broad range of conditions which include problems with reduced social ability, speech, repetitive behaviors, and issues with nonverbal communication. The first three of these are clearly on show in this thread.

"Social autism" is a wider concept which includes "autism" as above, but also includes a general inability to feel any social responsibility to help one's neighbours, or a even a more basic wish to avoid doing things which might hurt or kill them.

lee_baby_simms · 05-04-2021 10:12PM

gozunda wrote: »

No that's the point - its the very opposite of the bible. Its called mathematical modeling.

Exactly, it’s worst case scenario, hell and brimstone like projections that require a degree of faith just like a religion.

Sam McConkey is like a man on grafton street clutching a bible saying that there will be blood on the streets etc.

robindch · 05-04-2021 10:14PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony on the phone to his NPHET members saying 'doom doom doom, new undiscovered variant is as deadly as ever and more powerful than the vaccines'

Were you on the call as well?

robindch · 05-04-2021 10:15PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Exactly, it’s worst case scenario, hell and brimstone like projections that require a degree of faith just like a religion.

Religious faith only covers made-up things for which there is no evidence.

Thankfully, that does not include basic maths and science.

Graham · 05-04-2021 10:24PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

It’s easy to say it’s ‘just another few months’ when you aren’t trying to survive and support yourself and possibly a family on the PUP.
Or perhaps paying off your business loans using what’s left of your decimated personal savings cause your business has been forcibly closed for 6 of the last 7 months. Or mentally struggling with the isolation, loneliness, and sheer desperation with absolutely no end in sight.

It would be a mistake to assume that everyone impacted that way thinks lifting restrictions too soon is going to solve everything.

lee_baby_simms · 05-04-2021 10:25PM

robindch wrote: »

"Autism" refers to broad range of conditions which include problems with reduced social ability, speech, repetitive behaviors, and issues with nonverbal communication. The first three of these are clearly on show in this thread.

"Social autism" is a wider concept which includes "autism" as above, but also includes a general inability to feel any social responsibility to help one's neighbours, or a even a more basic wish to avoid doing things which might hurt or kill them.

Thanks for that, depressing to know that autism is acceptable as a slur around here.

robindch · 05-04-2021 10:40PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Thanks for that, depressing to know that autism is acceptable as a slur around here.

Who said that “autism” is acceptable as “a slur”?

05-04-2021 10:45PM

robindch wrote: »

"Autism" refers to broad range of conditions which include problems with reduced social ability, speech, repetitive behaviors, and issues with nonverbal communication. The first three of these are clearly on show in this thread.

"Social autism" is a wider concept which includes "autism" as above, but also includes a general inability to feel any social responsibility to help one's neighbours, or a even a more basic wish to avoid doing things which might hurt or kill them.

The irony.

ypres5 · 05-04-2021 10:46PM

robindch wrote: »

Yes, basic maths and science.

Can you share the basic maths and science please? I'd like to point out that sweden had very loose measures and had 800k+ cases and 13k deaths with twice our population so how could we ever come close to hitting 100k other than the man on the telly said it so it must be true. Basic maths is right...

Neddyusa · 05-04-2021 10:50PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Thanks for that, depressing to know that autism is acceptable as a slur around here.

Concerning but not one bit surprising to see that sort of prejudice and intolerance from the "follow the science" crowd who don't understand that this is all politics and no science.

After all, blaming people for the sun setting in the west, or for a respiratory virus more transmissible than the flu - is very scientific behaviour - surely?

ypres5 · 05-04-2021 10:50PM

robindch wrote: »

Who said that “autism” is acceptable as “a slur”?

So you meant socially autistic as a compliment then? Also that calculation for 100k deaths when you're ready my good man

05-04-2021 10:50PM

ypres5 wrote: »

Can you share the basic maths and science please? I'd like to point out that sweden had very loose measures and had 800k+ cases and 13k deaths with twice our population so how could we ever come close to hitting 100k other than the man on the telly said it so it must be true. Basic maths is right...

Ermagherd, Ypres! How many effin’ times does someone have to repeat the words “maths and science” before you stop asking awkward questions!

Careful, or you’ll end up diagnosed with a neurodivergence.

Idbatterim · 05-04-2021 10:50PM

Lads I've built a bunker, for when fatony announces the sky will fall in...

Stormyteacup · 05-04-2021 10:53PM

ypres5 wrote: »

Can you share the basic maths and science please? I'd like to point out that sweden had very loose measures and had 800k+ cases and 13k deaths with twice our population so how could we ever come close to hitting 100k other than the man on the telly said it so it must be true. Basic maths is right...

Basic maths and science - you have to laugh.

Really, it’s not rocket science. You plug your variables into the mathematical model and it spits out the result. Variables like CFR, IFR, R0, Rt - and as we all know we had final accurate values for these variables last March/April. Oh no, that’s right, we did not. So they put garbage in to their models and got garbage out.

copeyhagen · 05-04-2021 10:56PM

NPHET have just found a deadly 'outdoor variant', originated in the vale, much easier to trasnsmit than the other 412 variants now.

outdoor activites must be avoided.

copeyhagen · 05-04-2021 10:57PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Basic maths and science - you have to laugh.

Really, it’s not rocket science. You plug your variables into the mathematical model and it spits out the result. Variables like CFR, IFR, R0, Rt - and as we all know we had final accurate values for these variables last March/April. Oh no, that’s right, we did not. So they put garbage in to their models and got garbage out.

dont mention Sweden either, 500k deaths per million, only saved by their 2 week lockdown.. in 12 months.

Sharpyshoot · 05-04-2021 11:00PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

NPHET have just found a deadly 'outdoor variant', originated in the vale, much easier to trasnsmit than the other 412 variants now.

outdoor activites must be avoided.

Transmissions rates increase if connected to local WiFi. The next 12 months are critical.

JDxtra · 05-04-2021 11:03PM

nox001 wrote: »

It is obvious that the current level 5 isn't working and the following further restrictions are required URGENTLY - All passenger flights grounded, No 0utdoor exercise. Limited access to shops, maybe two visits a week per household with just a single person making that trip. A further tightening of the types of workplace allowed to operate.

Tony, that you?

05-04-2021 11:05PM

nox001 wrote: »

It is obvious that the current level 5 isn't working and the following further restrictions are required URGENTLY - All passenger flights grounded, No 0utdoor exercise. Limited access to shops, maybe two visits a week per household with just a single person making that trip. A further tightening of the types of workplace allowed to operate.

Plastic bags to replace masks.

Government to issue a camera for every room in your house.

One firearm issued to each street’s resident curtain twitcher, now known as the Covid sheriff.

:rolleyes:

NB: This is a JOKE, not a conspiracy theory.

hynesie08 · 05-04-2021 11:05PM

nox001 wrote: »

It is obvious that the current level 5 isn't working and the following further restrictions are required URGENTLY - All passenger flights grounded, No 0utdoor exercise. Limited access to shops, maybe two visits a week per household with just a single person making that trip. A further tightening of the types of workplace allowed to operate.

The third wave of nox001? We've come full circle.

bloopy · 05-04-2021 11:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Plastic bags to replace masks.

Government to issue a camera for every room in your house.

One firearm issued to each street’s resident curtain twitcher, now known as the Covid sheriff.

:rolleyes:

Can they get a little shiny star badge as well?

gozunda · 05-04-2021 11:12PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Exactly, it’s worst case scenario, hell and brimstone like projections that require a degree of faith just like a religion.

Sam McConkey is like a man on grafton street clutching a bible saying that there will be blood on the streets etc.

No funnily enough worst case scenarios are not set in stone. Hence the word 'scenario' ....

SusieBlue · 05-04-2021 11:12PM

Graham wrote: »

It would be a mistake to assume that everyone impacted that way thinks lifting restrictions too soon is going to solve everything.

They can believe whatever they like, if they are happy to continue to sacrifice their personal, social and financial freedoms then more power to them.

I just object to the notion that it’s in any way selfish or weak to break the rules and put your own personal well-being first, after a whole year of massive sacrifice and suffering for the benefit of others.
I think expecting people who have given up so much already to continue suffering, especially when it’s against their will and they would much rather be back to work and seeing their friends/family etc, is profoundly more selfish.

eggy81 · 05-04-2021 11:31PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I've witnessed what goes on in the construction industry first hand and I can tell you that Covid measures are not complied with for the most part. If there are certain measures that need to be maintained in order for construction to stay open then there needs to be monitoring, enforcement and penalties for sites not complying.

They are complied with a lot more than they are in supermarkets

Graham · 05-04-2021 11:40PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I just object to the notion that it’s in any way selfish or weak to break the rules and put your own personal well-being first, after a whole year of massive sacrifice and suffering for the benefit of others.
I think expecting people who have given up so much already to continue suffering, especially when it’s against their will and they would much rather be back to work and seeing their friends/family etc, is profoundly more selfish.

I don't know anyone who hasn't had to make major changes/sacrifices over the last year.

I don't see what that has to do with when it's safe to start easing restrictions.

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