Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

bloopy · 05-04-2021 09:00PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I'm absolutely not against the vaccine and have no issue with Leo but by christ I hope that was just worded badly , 'freedoms will be granted' is possibly the worst way to put this. I hope the vaccine rollout continues full steam ahead, there will always be some who won't get it but the idea of a 2 tier society for those who have and have not been vaccinated (due to time etc.. no fault of their own) is a disgrace.

What type of surveillance system needs to be created for such a plan to actually work?

FintanMcluskey · 05-04-2021 09:05PM

dublinbando wrote: »

No doubt there will be posters defending this saying what he said isn’t what he meant!

SnuggyBear · 05-04-2021 09:05PM

This government are too retarded and slow to implement a vaccine passport thank god.

M_Murphy57 · 05-04-2021 09:08PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I'm absolutely not against the vaccine and have no issue with Leo but by christ I hope that was just worded badly , 'freedoms will be granted' is possibly the worst way to put this. I hope the vaccine rollout continues full steam ahead, there will always be some who won't get it but the idea of a 2 tier society for those who have and have not been vaccinated (due to time etc.. no fault of their own) is a disgrace.

"Leo Varadkar has confirmed the Government is developing a “digital green certificate vaccine pass” for people to prove they have been fully inoculated" Yeah this is definitely going down the vaccine passport rabbithole. Not a good move.

The examiner are quoting from this:

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1379060977518395399?s=19

I posted this on the other thread but reposting here seeing as its linked to lifting restrictions

I know not everyone is Leo's fan but I thought this was very good (and positive)

Key take aways:
He very clearly states vaccines result in vaccination, that evidence from Israel indicates we may not need to be as concerned about variants as we have been given vaccines appear to offer protection there too and he is much firmer on dates for bringing back non essential retail (may) and hotels (june)

I feel like this is the speech LV would have given last week if hed been in charge , instead of that simpering ****wit MM who talks to us like we are children or maybe not very bright simpletons that cant be trusted with even the tiniest bit of information or to behave in any way like responsible people.

Clearly FG are in damage control mode too now but my God I wish it was last year and they were in charge

darem93 · 05-04-2021 09:17PM

I think having unvaccinated people not being allowed to do certain things that vaccinated people can do will build up a lot of resentment. Considering it will especially affect young people who - through no fault of their own - will probably be waiting quite a while to be fully vaccinated under this country's rollout.

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:19PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

This past year has seen a [...] pervasive and ever present peddling of fear and worry.

[...]

This lockdown [...] has been a sadistic theft of life [...]

Really?

05-04-2021 09:25PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I'd hope that these vaccines offer a little more than a few months immunity

All the good data I’ve seen so far has suggested that immunity to SARS-CoV-2, whether conferred by prior infection or vaccination, is fairly long. IGg antibodies have been detected in previously infected individuals about a year after infection, and T-cell and B-cell memory (suggesting long-term immunity) of the virus has been observed.

I don’t know why we’re vaccinating recovered people, though. No vaccine in history has conferred stronger immunity than natural recovery from a given viral disease.

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:30PM

darem93 wrote: »

I think having unvaccinated people not being allowed to do certain things that vaccinated people can do will build up a lot of resentment.

And certain groups of people doing things which cause other people to die - well, that causes resentment too.

Though I'll concede that lounging around at home, drinking beer and watching netflix for a couple extra months, is a far, far worse fate than catching a disease and dying because your neighbour figured that maths and science just don't apply to him/her.

FintanMcluskey · 05-04-2021 09:34PM

robindch wrote: »

And certain groups of people doing things which cause other people to die - well, that causes resentment too.

Though I'll concede that lounging around at home, drinking beer and watching netflix for a couple extra months, is a far, far worse fate than catching a disease and dying because your neighbour figured that maths and science just don't apply to him/her.

More of this stuff

Are you ok to spread a different respiratory illness when the Covid restrictions lift and kill a few?

Will that be ok once vulnerable don’t die of Covid?

Or do we spend the rest of our lives drinking beer at home?

ypres5 · 05-04-2021 09:37PM

PintOfView wrote: »

So
Sam predict's 100,000 deaths if we do nothing!
Instead of doing nothing we imposed restrictions designed to reduce transmission.
We didn't have 100,000 deaths

From that you deduce he was wrong?

So do you think we'd have had 100k deaths without lockdown, anything to back that up?

ypres5 · 05-04-2021 09:38PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

More of this stuff

Are you ok to spread a different respiratory illness when the Covid restrictions lift and kill a few?

Will that be ok once vulnerable don’t die of Covid?

Or do we spend the rest of our lives drinking beer at home?

Ah no we'll only add another couple dozen billion to the national debt in the meantime, open another beer there fintin twill be grand

Corholio · 05-04-2021 09:43PM

Funny to see people praising Leo for a couple of comments he knows he can say but doesn't need to actually do anything to help implement. The never ending cycle of people lapping up slightly better words than a worse person, and that being enough to be 'kinged' always amuses me.

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:45PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Or do we spend the rest of our lives drinking beer at home?

Sitting at home for a few extra months, avoiding getting within transmissible distance of anybody, and telling your mates to do the same - well, yes, it's a grim fate.

Though is it more awful than accidentally transmitting a fatal disease to somebody close by and essentially killing them by drowning?

Nope to me, but - looking at some of the anti-science and anti-maths (is this a new kind of anti-vaxx?) - I'm beginning to wonder if I'm in a minority on that.

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:46PM

ypres5 wrote: »

So do you think we'd have had 100k deaths without lockdown, anything to back that up?

Yes, basic maths and science.

lee_baby_simms · 05-04-2021 09:49PM

robindch wrote: »

Yes, basic maths and science.

That’s like saying you believe in Jesus Christ because it was written in the bible.

Graham · 05-04-2021 09:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Or do we spend the rest of our lives drinking beer at home?

You can.

I intended to get vaccinated at the earliest opportunity in the knowledge it's the fastest route out of this for all of us.

SnuggyBear · 05-04-2021 09:50PM

robindch wrote: »

Sitting at home for a few extra months, avoiding getting within transmissible distance of anybody, and telling your mates to do the same - well, yes, it's a grim fate.

Though is it more awful than accidentally transmitting a fatal disease to somebody close by and essentially killing them by drowning?

Nope to me, but - looking at some of the anti-science and anti-maths (is this a new kind of anti-vaxx?) - I'm beginning to wonder if I'm in a minority on that.

Your right too, stay at home and don't be a murderer

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:51PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

That’s like saying you believe in Jesus Christ because it was written in the bible.

Doesn't work like that if you actually understand the maths and science.

If you don't understand maths or science, then yes, I suppose baby Jesus looks as magical as basic maths and science.

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:52PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Your right too, stay at home and don't be a murderer

Yes, you have it in one. Do you civic duty and stay at home.

Sharpyshoot · 05-04-2021 09:52PM

With the progress of reopening in Uk the 3 amigos need to get with the program. Following nphet like lost sheep is a joke.

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:56PM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

With the progress of reopening in Uk the 3 amigos need to get with the program. Following nphet like lost sheep is a joke.

Was completely thrilled myself to see that PM Johnson said that he was in touch with President Virus and that the two of them had agreed that President Virus was going to tell all the little viruses to stand down all around the country so that the country could "reopen" and that the little viruses would agree not to kill any more people.

What a splendid leader!

M_Murphy57 · 05-04-2021 09:56PM

Corholio wrote: »

Funny to see people praising Leo for a couple of comments he knows he can say but doesn't need to actually do anything to help implement. The never ending cycle of people lapping up slightly better words than a worse person, and that being enough to be 'kinged' always amuses me.

I'm not "lapping it up" and I agree the bar is extremely low given we have the weakest, stupidest one of the lot in charge who speaks to the electorate like a teacher telling a class of bold junior infants that they are getting extra homework for talking.

but it was a relief to hear someone communicate clearly , truthfully and with data, for someone in government to finally admit (what everyone with half a brain knew) that vaccines do result in vaccination and "dE vArIaNtS" dont mean we have to hide under our beds for eternity like MM was clearly planning.

My hope is the tide is turning on MM being ousted finally.

Or this is another example of MM making a statement only to be immediately undermined by Leo saying something different. Both are possible.

FintanMcluskey · 05-04-2021 09:58PM

Graham wrote: »

You can.

I intended to get vaccinated at the earliest opportunity in the knowledge it's the fastest route out of this for all of us.

But the OP stated we would cause deaths

Are you never going to consider that you may transmit influenza or some other transmissible illness and be a direct cause of a death somewhere?

Or are we still of the opinion only Covid is a tragic death?

robindch · 05-04-2021 09:58PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

My hope is the tide is turning on MM being ousted finally.

Thrilled to hear what you want out of the pandemic.

darem93 · 05-04-2021 09:58PM

robindch wrote: »

And certain groups of people doing things which cause other people to die - well, that causes resentment too.

You mean simply living their lives... which they have put on hold for the past 13 months?

Graham · 05-04-2021 10:00PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are you never going to consider that you may transmit influenza or some other transmissible illness and be a direct cause of a death somewhere??

You can.

I'm not going to start worrying about your imaginary next pandemic just yet.

M_Murphy57 · 05-04-2021 10:01PM

robindch wrote: »

Thrilled to hear what you want out of the pandemic.

Yes, I've always hoped for a global pandemic, it was the only way I could conceive of a FF change in leadership. At last.

robindch · 05-04-2021 10:02PM

darem93 wrote: »

You mean simply living their lives... which they have put on hold for the past 13 months?

Yes, because some people feel a responsibility to avoid doing things which might lead to the deaths of other people.

Though I concede entirely that loads of people don't feel any such responsibility - so what if you do something which leads to somebody else's death? It's somebody else and they have to die of something anyway.

It's the prerogative of the spoiled, the arrogant and the socially autistic.

PTH2009 · 05-04-2021 10:02PM

Dr Tony on the phone to his NPHET members saying 'doom doom doom, new undiscovered variant is as deadly as ever and more powerful than the vaccines'

gozunda · 05-04-2021 10:02PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

That’s like saying you believe in Jesus Christ because it was written in the bible.

No that's the point - its the very opposite of the bible. Its called mathematical modeling. In this case it was presented as a worse case scenario and not a prediction of the future. Incredible the number who don't seem to understand that.

Heres another amazing piece of mathematics magic where we can all wonder how such things happen ...

It called the magic penny

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