Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

copeyhagen · 05-04-2021 04:29PM

why is our outdoor dining not openeing straight away knowing what we know now. every week just cripples the economy more.

Don't Chute! · 05-04-2021 04:31PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Well that's not what you said. You literally quoted a statement and followed it by "Actually here it is" but the link didn't say that at all.

Not defending the paper, just tired of things being misrepresented.

Oh I don’t ****ing care. Everyone else got it. Typical of you people getting bogged down with how someone says something rather than address what was said.

dalyboy · 05-04-2021 04:36PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

why is our outdoor dining not openeing straight away knowing what we know now. every week just cripples the economy more.

Because there are a bunch of backward zealots in charge of our virus “emergency” . A rag tag load of misfits called NPHET

gozunda · 05-04-2021 04:36PM

normanoffside wrote: »

So now that we know that outdoor transmission (including construction) accounts for just 0.1% of cases. Can we get construction back, encourage sports and stop shaming groups of people socialising outdoors?

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1379061267952902152

That's a rather narrow reading of that article tbh.

The article details that

There were 21 outbreaks on construction sites with 124 cases, and 20 outbreaks associated with sporting activities and fitness in which there were 131 cases.

Considering that the number of incidences would likely have been much higher had restrictions not been in place including those on construction and a whole range of sporting activities.

The article also states that:

the big issue was not the outdoor activity, but what happened either side of it.

And thats the rub. Until we get people vaccinated what happens in conjuction with all such group based activities are going carrying risk of infection.

Pointing that risk out is not shaming anyone.

copeyhagen · 05-04-2021 04:42PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Because there are a bunch of backward zealots in charge of our virus “emergency” . A rag tag load of misfits called NPHET

Andalucia in Spain just said "open tomorrow if you want" back in Feb to the hospitality. simple as that.

whereas here im sure there will be 4 weeks of studies and worrying worry meters before they can decide.

normanoffside · 05-04-2021 04:51PM

gozunda wrote: »

Considering that the number of incidences would likely have been much higher had restrictions not been in place including those on construction and a whole range of sporting activities.

The article also states that:

So we should keep those activities banned because it might have been 500 cases?

The fact is that 262 cases out of 265,000 cases are linked to outdoor activities.

At some point there has to be a consideration of risk and reward; outdoor activities like sports and construction bring a lot of good to the country and little risk.

On your point about activities surrounding outdoor meetings: It's simple, keep the message clear about meeting outdoors and not indoors.
Don't treat people like thickos by banning everything.
The constant narrative of not trusting people and treating them as thick is why we are seeing less and less compliance anyway.

growleaves · 05-04-2021 04:53PM

gozunda wrote: »

Considering that the number of incidences would likely have been much higher had restrictions not been in place including those on construction and a whole range of sporting activities.

Where's your control group to show that that is actually the case?

VonLuck · 05-04-2021 05:07PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Oh I don’t ****ing care. Everyone else got it. Typical of you people getting bogged down with how someone says something rather than address what was said.

This is what is wrong with people these days. "Close enough" reporting of news is not acceptable. That's what leads to rubbish getting shared on social media, like a game of Chinese Whispers.

scamalert · 05-04-2021 05:09PM

gozunda wrote: »

Pointing that risk out is not shaming anyone.

So your worried about few cases, where people would of been told to sniffle at home for two weeks isnt worthy a risk to take ? fckn hell one has to actually question what rock you live under where 0.00% risk isnt worth doing anything :cool:

FintanMcluskey · 05-04-2021 05:12PM

Sam McConkey believes there is minimal risk with construction returning

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-will-see-benefits-of-vaccine-at-three-or-four-million-of-doses-mcconkey-1175051

So it is an industry that's been doing sensible health and safety for decades... so I'm reasonably confident that they'll bring in their health and safety things of gelling your hands, staying away from people and wearing masks".

I think if your more cautious than our Sam there is something wrong

VonLuck · 05-04-2021 05:18PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Sam McConkey believes there is minimal risk with construction returning

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-will-see-benefits-of-vaccine-at-three-or-four-million-of-doses-mcconkey-1175051

I think if your more cautious than our Sam there is something wrong

I've witnessed what goes on in the construction industry first hand and I can tell you that Covid measures are not complied with for the most part. If there are certain measures that need to be maintained in order for construction to stay open then there needs to be monitoring, enforcement and penalties for sites not complying.

Accidentally · 05-04-2021 05:21PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Sam McConkey believes there is minimal risk with construction returning

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-will-see-benefits-of-vaccine-at-three-or-four-million-of-doses-mcconkey-1175051

I think if your more cautious than our Sam there is something wrong

I've a feeling Sam doesn't know much about construction sites. But at least HR and H&S will have pieces of paper signed and their arses covered

05-04-2021 05:22PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Sam McConkey believes there is minimal risk with construction returning

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-will-see-benefits-of-vaccine-at-three-or-four-million-of-doses-mcconkey-1175051

I think if your more cautious than our Sam there is something wrong

"Things like outdoor building... they're outdoors, they're building houses with blocks and mortar, carpentry, plumbing and roofing"

Sam "tens of thousands dead" McConkey is also an authority on construction. Is there anything he doesn't know, such a fount of knowledge. Other than doing the media circuit, charging appearance fees and generally talking through his rear end in a desperate effort to keep himself relevant.

rolling boh · 05-04-2021 05:26PM

Did sam not predict up to 100.000 deaths possible if so he should not be on the airwaves for anything except to laugh at him .

05-04-2021 05:27PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I've witnessed what goes on in the construction industry first hand and I can tell you that Covid measures are not complied with for the most part. If there are certain measures that need to be maintained in order for construction to stay open then there needs to be monitoring, enforcement and penalties for sites not complying.

We're the only country in the world with construction closed, these unrealistically high standards for no reason need to stop.

SnuggyBear · 05-04-2021 05:32PM

11521323 wrote: »

We're the only country in the world with construction closed, these unrealistically high standards for no reason need to stop.

It's time to get the country moving, come on ta ****

Don't Chute! · 05-04-2021 05:41PM

VonLuck wrote: »

This is what is wrong with people these days. "Close enough" reporting of news is not acceptable. That's what leads to rubbish getting shared on social media, like a game of Chinese Whispers.

Whatever. I’m done with you.

VonLuck · 05-04-2021 06:08PM

11521323 wrote: »

We're the only country in the world with construction closed, these unrealistically high standards for no reason need to stop.

What are the standards elsewhere? If we can match other countries' levels of enforcement whilst keeping cases low I don't see why it can't be opened.

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Whatever. I’m done with you.

Thanks.

Indestructable · 05-04-2021 06:10PM

So England get their beer gardens and shops open from the 12th. Good news for them.

Any word on what NI are going to do?

Gael23 · 05-04-2021 06:13PM

Indestructable wrote: »

So England get their beer gardens and shops open from the 12th. Good news for them.

Any word on what NI are going to do?

What NI do will dictate what we do

PTH2009 · 05-04-2021 06:17PM

Indestructable wrote: »

So England get their beer gardens and shops open from the 12th. Good news for them.

Any word on what NI are going to do?

Infuriating watching England start reopening while here its doom and gloom with new variants been new viruses and all that

I do wonder with England getting rid of there mandatory food rule for pubs does than mean that rule will be binned here too. Here's hoping anyway

GT89 · 05-04-2021 06:22PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Infuriating watching England start reopening while here its doom and gloom with new variants been new viruses and all that

I do wonder with England getting rid of there mandatory food rule for pubs does than mean that rule will be binned here too. Here's hoping anyway

Probably not pubs were open in England last summer with no food rule

05-04-2021 06:22PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Infuriating watching England start reopening while here its doom and gloom with new variants been new viruses and all that

I do wonder with England getting rid of there mandatory food rule for pubs does than mean that rule will be binned here too. Here's hoping anyway

I understand why people are envious, but I would caution against being optimistic about the UK's road back to normal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437665/Boris-confirms-shops-reopen-Monday-lockdown-roadmap-doubt.html

"You call this freedom? Boris offers a future full of endless Covid rules with vaccine passports almost certainly needed for mass events, travel abroad and even work – as SAGE predicts social distancing and masks will be needed for another YEAR"

The goalposts are being moved constantly in the UK. Hancock is now saying regular testing of the entire population is the only way to get back to normal.

GT89 · 05-04-2021 06:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I understand why people are envious, but I would caution against being optimistic about the UK's road back to normal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437665/Boris-confirms-shops-reopen-Monday-lockdown-roadmap-doubt.html

"You call this freedom? Boris offers a future full of endless Covid rules with vaccine passports almost certainly needed for mass events, travel abroad and even work – as SAGE predicts social distancing and masks will be needed for another YEAR"

The goalposts are being moved constantly in the UK. Hancock is now saying regular testing of the entire population is the only way to get back to normal.

Boris should have stuck to his guns and gone for the original herd immunity approach last year

Indestructable · 05-04-2021 06:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I understand why people are envious, but I would caution against being optimistic about the UK's road back to normal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437665/Boris-confirms-shops-reopen-Monday-lockdown-roadmap-doubt.html

"You call this freedom? Boris offers a future full of endless Covid rules with vaccine passports almost certainly needed for mass events, travel abroad and even work – as SAGE predicts social distancing and masks will be needed for another YEAR"

The goalposts are being moved constantly in the UK. Hancock is now saying regular testing of the entire population is the only way to get back to normal.

But all that is still a hell of a lot more preferable to the perpetual lockdown we have here.

Pussyhands · 05-04-2021 06:40PM

rolling boh wrote: »

Did sam not predict up to 100.000 deaths possible if so he should not be on the airwaves for anything except to laugh at him .

I remember when masks were make mandatory, good ol' Sam was on the radio to tell us how people weren't wearing them right.

He said "I saw someone having a cigarette and they had the mask around their chin". Well Sam, if you're smoking you are going to be outside and secondly you can't have the mask around your face when smoking!

I also remember he was on Newstalk discussing the different masks...3 ply, 4 ply, 6 ply. The host rightly commented that all this discussion is too confusing for listeners and that any mask you wear at all is protection.

Indestructable · 05-04-2021 06:40PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it? Hobson's choice, in my opinion. But I see where you're coming from.

My fear was always that people would be deprived of normal life for so long that Ronan Glynn's 'degree of normality' and Johnson's 'semblance of normality', which includes non-stop testing, vaccine passports, masks, and social distancing, would be accepted by the majority.

I get you and agree completely. None of this new normal crap. But the restrictions were never going to be lifted with complete reckless abandon.

Compromise to be, say mask mandate for 3 months which legally must be reviewed and voted on by parliament for an extension at that point. Same for the constant testing, vaccine passports etc.

05-04-2021 06:52PM

Indestructable wrote: »

I get you and agree completely. None of this new normal crap. But the restrictions were never going to be lifted with complete reckless abandon.

Compromise to be, say mask mandate for 3 months which legally must be reviewed and voted on by parliament for an extension at that point. Same for the constant testing, vaccine passports etc.

The idea of a 'new normal' fills me with dread.

Once vaccine passports come in I don't think they'll ever go away. And Johnson is increasingly doing whatever he wants in the UK: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437637/Covid-passports-likely-feature-lives-pandemic-passes-ministers-warn.html

"Boris Johnson set himself up for a potentially volcanic clash with his own backbenchers over Covid vaccine passports tonight by suggesting he might try to get them into law without a vote."

But at least there'll be opposition in the UK. There'll be none in Ireland. In the media and in politics, I mean.

The frightening thing to me is that the creation of a half faced society full of testing and vaccine passports is actually popular.

I think this article by Professor Robert Dingwall is very important: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9433867/PROFESSOR-ROBERT-DINGWALL-says-resist-biosecurity-state.html

Chivito550 · 05-04-2021 06:57PM

Was in Marlay Park today. Tennis courts padlocked shut. 50 metres away is a playground that is open and packed.

Welcome to Ireland.

Pussyhands · 05-04-2021 06:58PM

Why would there be a need for vaccine passports if everyone is going to have the vaccine by September anyways?

Makes no sense...

It's also extremely unfair to allow vaccinated people to have lives while those who don't have the option of one being told to stay away from people etc.

All talk about equality but when it comes down to it, they're happy for certain portions of society to have better lives than others.

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