Public service pay cut?

salonfire wrote: »

Same as in the private sector.

Each department or management team is given a budget to spend accordingly on salaries. Then distribute according to a bell curve on that department with the best performers getting the most and the poorest getting the least.

Allows for some flexibility in rewarding work and allows managers show appreciation in a more meaningful way.

Outside of this, everyone gets an increase or decrease in line with Cost of Living and economy performance.

Also, I'd allow for a cost of living allowance if the workplace was in Dublin or the cities.

This is fine in a company whose main aim is to make money and targets are primarily based around easily definable goals.
Not easily implemented in the public sector who, by it's very nature cannot pick and choose who it serves based on a CBA.

salonfire wrote: »

Then in that case, if a poor performer or exceptional performer cannot be readily identified than everybody gets the same salary across the board more or less.

Someone constantly late for work or taking sickies should be easily identified for example.

That's pretty much what happens now....with improvements in PIP in a lot of areas over the past few years. Including sick leave management.

God this thread is toxic (much like Boards which is why I rarely post anymore). This was a topic about the possibility of a public service pay cut where pay has still not been restored since the last recession. It has turned into a who has a bigger d!ck argument and it's ridic. We're all just trying to make a living and get on with things.

Just my 2 cents on the matter for what's it's worth. Relatively new to civil service. I came from the private sector working for a German discounter in retail management. Made more at that but was a dogs life working all sorts of odd hours. Main reason I joined CS was for the stability, Mon to Fri hours. I work no less hard than my previous retail position. I often work 9 to 10 hour days and give my current role 110% and try and help in any way I can to any correspondence or interaction with the Public. I travel 70min each way to my job but I enjoy it and hope to progress. I went back to education late in life and got a degree and always give everything to any role asked of me. Just wondering what planet people are living on that they think there should be 10% 20% or I even seen in a post somewhere 35% reduction in my pay. I earn €957 fortnightly! When you take what I pay to put diesel in a car I'm no better off than a person on PUP.

Bobby2004 wrote: »

Just my 2 cents on the matter for what's it's worth. Relatively new to civil service. I came from the private sector working for a German discounter in retail management. Made more at that but was a dogs life working all sorts of odd hours. Main reason I joined CS was for the stability, Mon to Fri hours. I work no less hard than my previous retail position. I often work 9 to 10 hour days and give my current role 110% and try and help in any way I can to any correspondence or interaction with the Public. I travel 70min each way to my job but I enjoy it and hope to progress. I went back to education late in life and got a degree and always give everything to any role asked of me. Just wondering what planet people are living on that they think there should be 10% 20% or I even seen in a post somewhere 35% reduction in my pay. I earn €957 fortnightly! When you take what I pay to put diesel in a car I'm no better off than a person on PUP.

You made that choice, nobody made that for you, a lot of people in the private sector have travel/time costs, but don’t have the job stability/security, so don’t whinge about how much you take home.

Personally I wouldn’t call for pay cuts, but if money is tight, is it is in many private businesses where people are being laid off, pay rises should not even be considered for the CS.

kravmaga wrote: »

This all goes back to post 2008 pay cuts in the civil service.

Its a deal on restoration of pay, nothing unusual here..

When your pay increases, it’s a pay rise. PS/CS seem to hate saying “pay rise”, a lot of private sector workers had their pay slashed in 2008, none of them use the phrase “pay restoration” to describe wage increases since then.

gizmo23 wrote: »

I dont see him whinging he was merely stating facts ... and your right he/she took on the job KNOWING exactly what the starting pay was..

As would anyone with the public service and great thing is anyone can join once they meet the very limited criteria.

It's like why WHINGE about the public service pay when you never attempted or weren't good enough to join ?? Ye know what I mean

Ya, that’s a whinge.

Bobby2004 wrote: »

take what I pay to put diesel in a car I'm no better off than a person on PUP.

Train To Busan wrote: »

Want my take as a Clerical Officer on point 5 of the scale (547 euro before tax)?

Pretty soon every fake refugee in the world will be able to come to Ireland and get a free house and probably a college education too. And I'm supposed to feel bad about my 2% pay restoration over the next two years?

Are. You. Serious?

Leaving aside the xenophobia, you should never feel bad about a pay rise.

Bobby2004 wrote: »

Just my 2 cents on the matter for what's it's worth. Relatively new to civil service. I came from the private sector working for a German discounter in retail management. Made more at that but was a dogs life working all sorts of odd hours. Main reason I joined CS was for the stability, Mon to Fri hours. I work no less hard than my previous retail position. I often work 9 to 10 hour days and give my current role 110% and try and help in any way I can to any correspondence or interaction with the Public. I travel 70min each way to my job but I enjoy it and hope to progress. I went back to education late in life and got a degree and always give everything to any role asked of me. Just wondering what planet people are living on that they think there should be 10% 20% or I even seen in a post somewhere 35% reduction in my pay. I earn €957 fortnightly! When you take what I pay to put diesel in a car I'm no better off than a person on PUP.

Who knew only people in the public service had to to put diesel in a car

Well what's stopping you from getting the PUP?

Train To Busan wrote: »

Want my take as a Clerical Officer on point 5 of the scale (547 euro before tax)?

Pretty soon every fake refugee in the world will be able to come to Ireland and get a free house and probably a college education too. And I'm supposed to feel bad about my 2% pay restoration over the next two years?

Are. You. Serious?

No and you should not have to. As I was trying to get at but maybe did not make clear enough I don't see why PS shud take drastic cuts. I had a decent paid job in retail. I got yearly bonuses. Do we tax the people that work in that sector by huge amounts. No that would be insane!

I'm happy enough considering I'm just in the door. Be only a year come Sept.

Whatever does come by way of an increase is only going to be swallowed up by inflation.

Anyway don't want to cause ill feeling amongst anyone. I would hope that when things open up that those with jobs can spend in the local community again and hope we see the back of COVID next year.

Train To Busan wrote: »

Want my take as a Clerical Officer on point 5 of the scale (547 euro before tax)?

Pretty soon every fake refugee in the world will be able to come to Ireland and get a free house and probably a college education too. And I'm supposed to feel bad about my 2% pay restoration over the next two years?

Are. You. Serious?

What are your skills or qualifications? What do you think you could earn elsewhere?

Train To Busan wrote: »

Want my take as a Clerical Officer on point 5 of the scale (547 euro before tax)?

Pretty soon every fake refugee in the world will be able to come to Ireland and get a free house and probably a college education too. And I'm supposed to feel bad about my 2% pay restoration over the next two years?

3% over 3 years. Public service like Revenue, Justice, Health (which is massively overstaffed? for the votes); are absolutely needed of course. And other public sector areas that are the pillars of the society.

The weird thing is though, the jobs are always there to be done; it is just that applicants (and Unions' + Govts. cahoots), seem to forget exactly this.

Jobs.

The work always needs to be done - is always there.
Yet, applicants always misconstrue this, to be;- 'them', themselves;- when it is actually the 'jobs', that always have to be there. Not necessarily any one employee.

When the economy is booming public sector are silly when they could be earning more money in the private sector.


When the economy is in the ****ter public sector are leeches who are massively overpaid.... Its weird that