Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

AlekSmart · 03-04-2021 09:34PM

mohawk wrote: »

Most people at some stage when away will go into shops, petrol stations etc. Two people doing it is no big deal but West Clare is full of Dublin regs the last few days. Most of them are going to be in and out of shops getting their few things.

Many people break the 5km to go walking and it’s no big deal but if your going a good bit away the more likely your going into businesses

The Garda intelligence section will have passed on that info on a daily basis to HQ and NPHET (It IS an emergency y'know ?).

By Tuesday,we can expect,along with snow showers,a MASSIVE rise in CASES in West Clare.

Could even end up on Crimeline :eek: !

Pussyhands · 03-04-2021 09:49PM

Why are they so concerned about variants? I don't understand it.

Even if Covid finished tomorrow, there's a chance of variants and Covid won't ever be gone so are we gonna be locked down forever?

FintanMcluskey · 03-04-2021 09:58PM

Pussyhands wrote: »

Why are they so concerned about variants? I don't understand it.

Even if Covid finished tomorrow, there's a chance of variants and Covid won't ever be gone so are we gonna be locked down forever?

Luke O Neill said on Plank Kenny’s show on Newstalk a few months back that 4000 variants exist.

Seemingly NPHET only discovered them

AlekSmart · 03-04-2021 10:08PM

Pussyhands wrote: »

Why are they so concerned about variants? I don't understand it.

Even if Covid finished tomorrow, there's a chance of variants and Covid won't ever be gone so are we gonna be locked down forever?

If you ever worked on one,then you'd understand !!

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Whatsisname · 03-04-2021 10:17PM

Pussyhands wrote: »

Why are they so concerned about variants? I don't understand it.

Even if Covid finished tomorrow, there's a chance of variants and Covid won't ever be gone so are we gonna be locked down forever?

Telegraph reporting today that PHE have done a study and concluded the Kent 2.0 variant is no more deadly than whatever the original one was.

Then again I’m not sure how something can be more infectious AND more deadly.

But hey science I guess.

gozunda · 03-04-2021 11:25PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Telegraph reporting today that PHE have done a study and concluded the Kent 2.0 variant is no more deadly than whatever the original one was.

Then again I’m not sure how something can be more infectious AND more deadly.

But hey science I guess.

Yeah science....

Looks like there's more than just one study on the the rate of Transmissibility and risk of mortality of the B.1.1.K variant

The findings, reported in Nature, come from Nicholas Davies, Karla Diaz-Ordaz, and Ruth Keogh, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The London team earlier showed that this new variant is 43 to 90 percent more transmissible than pre-existing variants that had been circulating in England. But in the latest paper, the researchers followed up on conflicting reports about the virulence of B.1.1.7.

They did so with a large British dataset linking more than 2.2 million positive SARS-CoV-2 tests to 17,452 COVID-19 deaths from September 1, 2020, to February 14, 2021. In about half of the cases (accounting for nearly 5,000 deaths), it was possible to discern whether or not the infection had been caused by the B.1.1.7 variant.

Based on this evidence, the researchers calculated the risk of death associated with B.1.1.7 infection. Their estimates suggest that B.1.1.7 infection was associated with 55 percent greater mortality compared to other SARS-CoV-2 variants over this time period.

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/03/30/infections-with-u-k-variant-b-1-1-7-have-greater-risk-of-mortality/

Apoapsis Rex · 04-04-2021 12:21AM

Pussyhands wrote: »

Why are they so concerned about variants? I don't understand it.

Even if Covid finished tomorrow, there's a chance of variants and Covid won't ever be gone so are we gonna be locked down forever?

The answer has been written in the Conspiracy theory forum since a year ago. People are too comfortable and invested to think otherwise.

gozunda · 04-04-2021 12:52AM

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

The answer has been written in the Conspiracy theory forum since a year ago. People are too comfortable and invested to think otherwise.

There's a good reason its called the 'Conspiracy Forum....

Pussyhands · 04-04-2021 01:05AM

People die of blood clots due to the virus and it's "benefits outweigh the negatives".

Yet hospital procedures, cancer screenings etc are cancelled for a virus with a 99.5% survival rate.

gozunda · 04-04-2021 02:18AM

Pussyhands wrote: »

People die of blood clots due to the virus and it's "benefits outweigh the negatives".

Yet hospital procedures, cancer screenings etc are cancelled for a virus with a 99.5% survival rate.

What the hell does the first bit have to do with the second?

The previous poster was referring to the AZ vaccine. (Vaccines which btw will help get hospital numbers down)

Yet oddly you're somehow trying to equate issues with the AZ vaccine - with the need to manage healthcare resources so that all those who are infected with covid and require specialist care in hospital - with 'survival rates' for Covid thrown in for dramatic effect?

Thankfully not everyone who ends up in hospital with Covid dies.

And whilst seriously curtailed not all procedures or screenings have been cancelled where it is possible to do so.

But there is also a definite need to protect some of those who are among the most vulnerable include those diagnosed with cancer etc from catching covid in a hospital setting...

So which way do you want it to go?

suicide_circus · 04-04-2021 08:22AM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/results-of-landmark-opinion-poll-revealed-public-opinion-turns-on-government-regarding-covid-and-vaccine-roll-out-40272480.html

The number of "morons" growing fast it seems!!!

the kelt · 04-04-2021 08:52AM

Public opinion is turning.

Cases numbers still “to high” yet hospitalisations are falling still.

Slowly we are getting there, people have had enough looking at the figures and seeing the obsession still with daily case numbers.

I see newstalk have decided to dispel with daily case numbers and go with 5 day average (which incidentally is also down)

All this with half the country out and about it seems.

_Kaiser_ · 04-04-2021 08:58AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/results-of-landmark-opinion-poll-revealed-public-opinion-turns-on-government-regarding-covid-and-vaccine-roll-out-40272480.html

The number of "morons" growing fast it seems!!!

As Hudson said in Aliens, "Game over man!"

Martin and Leo will have an internal revolt on their hands (I'm not even bothering to count Ryan whose party is already imploding) if they continue to abdicate most of the decisions to NPHET.

This week's meetings will be fun.

SnuggyBear · 04-04-2021 09:12AM

Looking forward to another summer of hospitality closed up, sitting waiting for the go ahead to go back to work. Meanwhile there is almost no cases and the whole country is doing as they please with bbqs and house parties. Makes no sense.

Stormyteacup · 04-04-2021 09:28AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Looking forward to another summer of hospitality closed up, sitting waiting for the go ahead to go back to work. Meanwhile there is almost no cases and the whole country is doing as they please with bbqs and house parties. Makes no sense.

Good indicators though about how people see behaviours post-crisis. Apart from the concerns re spending reflecting economic uncertainty, it’s clear the majority want to return to socialising and holidaying at levels pre-Covid or more.

But a a high percentage resigned to a long wait before we get there. 41% think a year and 27% think two years or more.

_Kaiser_ · 04-04-2021 09:38AM

Good summation of the poll results by one of those who conducted it:

For the Government, they are in the last chance saloon in terms of public support.

It feels like the manager has lost the confidence of the dressing room and is hoping that one final, big game will atone for the damage done after a lacklustre season. Of course, the manager will point to elsewhere in the league and suggest that we are not doing too badly, being only mid table.

But this is not a game. As a nation, we have endured more than 4,700 deaths, with close on a quarter of a million confirmed cases, untold financial, physical and mental health stresses, and an abject sense of alienation from each other for more than 12 months.

Coupled with this, we have had a shaky vaccine roll-out programme, unnecessarily compounded with controversy.

For some, it feels that at this stage we are living in something akin to an open prison camp, and it feels like we have nothing to show for it. It is perfectly reasonable to see that patience is becoming increasingly threadbare.

I think that covers it nicely. Rapid changes to follow I think. FF in particular will start pushing Martin to get on with it, and Leo is always very sensitive to polls that might affect his profile.

_Kaiser_ · 04-04-2021 09:40AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Looking forward to another summer of hospitality closed up, sitting waiting for the go ahead to go back to work. Meanwhile there is almost no cases and the whole country is doing as they please with bbqs and house parties. Makes no sense.

Yea, I noticed yesterday that my local Dunnes had loads of those instant BBQ packs (or whatever they're called) out on the shelves. Loads of people out and about the last few days.

Lockdown is over for most.

bear1 · 04-04-2021 09:45AM

Penfailed wrote: »

You want to reopen everything with only masks as a mitigation measure? No restricted numbers in restaurants and pubs and venues? What about festivals and sporting events? Full stadiums?

Yes.
Are you saying that a virus (which existed already) which has killed under 3 million people in more than a year, on a planet of over 8 billion, is worth causing mental stress for ALL of the earth's population due to the idiotic decisions being forced upon us?

Hellrazer · 04-04-2021 10:11AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Martin and Leo will have an internal revolt on their hands (I'm not even bothering to count Ryan whose party is already imploding) if they continue to abdicate most of the decisions to NPHET.

Im not so sure Kaiser - Theres not one spine between them when it comes to standing up to NPHET.

Leo tried last year and was hammered for it. Micheal would probably have to have a white paper , green paper etc and then hire 50 advisers before he could make a decision.
Donnelly is completely out of his depth and is almost completely under water now.

I think nphet are going to be running things for the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile the country is in danger of returning to the dark ages. We wont have an economy left. The waiting list in hospitals is going to take a decade to clear back to the **** level it was at before all this.

We have a government that wants to put our biggest trading partners on its mandatory quarantine list ie The EU and US - talk about trying to do us in altogether.

It actually makes me wonder how these people got into these positions of power and will the electorate remember when a GE comes around - I doubt it as we have a very short memory when it comes to elections.

Klonker · 04-04-2021 10:31AM

What's really annoying me is continued comments on an 'outdoor summer'. It's been mentioned by government and NPHET a few times but never really explained by what they mean or for how long.

Take England as an example. I don't think anyone can deny their vaccine programme has been a huge success so far and considering how many are vaccinated they have pretty harsh restrictions. From mid April they can dine and drink outside and it makes sense to allow this first. Then one month later in mid May they can eat and drink inside pubs and restaurants. Not a whole summer like we are being told. That translated for us should mean we can eat and drink outside from beginning of June and inside from beginning of July. Why throw out comments like an outdoor summer?

titan18 · 04-04-2021 10:36AM

I'd be thinking indoor won't open til after the August bank holiday based on how slow they are atm

SnuggyBear · 04-04-2021 10:38AM

titan18 wrote: »

I'd be thinking indoor won't open til after the August bank holiday based on how slow they are atm

I'm thinking September

04-04-2021 10:55AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

As Hudson said in Aliens, "Game over man!"

Martin and Leo will have an internal revolt on their hands (I'm not even bothering to count Ryan whose party is already imploding) if they continue to abdicate most of the decisions to NPHET.

This week's meetings will be fun.

A rocket up their collective backsides, and it won't be "the greater good" that will motivate the government to finally unfasten themselves from the NPHET chain. Their political futures are on the line, expect a belated abandonment of the single-issue approach that has inflicted severe damage to the economy. The jig is up, vaccines have reached most of the vulnerable and hospitalisations/ICU admissions continue to fall at a steady pace. Summer is on lads, looking forward to that pint in June.

dalyboy · 04-04-2021 11:12AM

gozunda wrote: »

What the hell does the first bit have to do with the second?

The previous poster was referring to the AZ vaccine. (Vaccines which btw will help get hospital numbers down)

Yet oddly you're somehow trying to equate issues with the AZ vaccine - with the need to manage healthcare resources so that all those who are infected with covid and require specialist care in hospital - with 'survival rates' for Covid thrown in for dramatic effect?

Thankfully not everyone who ends up in hospital with Covid dies.

And whilst seriously curtailed not all procedures or screenings have been cancelled where it is possible to do so.

But there is also a definite need to protect some of those who are among the most vulnerable include those diagnosed with cancer etc from catching covid in a hospital setting...

So which way do you want it to go?

Now waiting for Sinn Fein, people before profit etc to all of a sudden start supporting removal of restrictions in ....... 5,4,3,2,1 .

bloopy · 04-04-2021 11:25AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/results-of-landmark-opinion-poll-revealed-public-opinion-turns-on-government-regarding-covid-and-vaccine-roll-out-40272480.html

The number of "morons" growing fast it seems!!!

I'm guessing this poll is the reason that the radio stations have gone full doom on their news reporting this morning.

bloopy · 04-04-2021 11:27AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Now waiting for Sinn Fein, people before profit etc to all of a sudden start supporting removal of restrictions in ....... 5,4,3,2,1 .

This will be interesting.
While I very much dislike the current government, I do find the opposition a little more scary with their even more extreme plans.

Stormyteacup · 04-04-2021 11:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A rocket up their collective backsides, and it won't be "the greater good" that will motivate the government to finally unfasten themselves from the NPHET chain. Their political futures are on the line, expect a belated abandonment of the single-issue approach that has inflicted severe damage to the economy. The jig is up, vaccines have reached most of the vulnerable and hospitalisations/ICU admissions continue to fall at a steady pace. Summer is on lads, looking forward to that pint in June.

Hope so. It was only ever going to be the concern for their political careers that would force them to relegate NPHET.

NPHET will fight to the last to keep restrictions in place to give them time to get their house in order. The misperception that they care about the health of the public in general is a byproduct of their remit to protect the healthcare system at all cost. It’s always been a win-win for them.

Government in-fighting and the public mood mean nothing to them, there’s nothing on the line so long as the health system continues to function, and they’ve a lot of catching-up to do - if they can give themselves breathing room why would they advocate a speedier lifting of restrictions.

Comes down to the will of NPHET to carry out its sole and narrow mandate versus the self-protection and survival instinct of the politician.

Del Griffith · 04-04-2021 11:30AM

bloopy wrote: »

This will be interesting.
While I very much dislike the current government, I do find the opposition a little more scary with their even more extreme plans.

I find Martin a bit better now after that video came out of him breaking the rules and basically laughing about the way it's all a load of bollox.

Turns out he's human after all, he should drop the act asap cos if he was like that publicly he'd be less unpopular.

bloopy · 04-04-2021 11:32AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

I find Martin a bit better now after that video came out of him breaking the rules and basically laughing about the way it's all a load of bollox.

Turns out he's human after all, he should drop the act asap cos if he was like that publicly he'd be less unpopular.

The thing that gets me about that video, and other breaches by public figures here and abroad, is that the people telling us everyday to be terrified don't seem to be all that terrified themselves.

04-04-2021 11:35AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Now waiting for Sinn Fein, people before profit etc to all of a sudden start supporting removal of restrictions in ....... 5,4,3,2,1 .

SF are the weakest "opposition" in recent history, under the thumb of their masters aka NPHET. A snivelling bunch of lackeys. When Alan Kelly starts shining by comparison you know something is seriously amiss. Bigger picture that the government have received an almighty jolt, expect some withdrawal as a year of Stockholm syndrome can take its toll.

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