Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

AndyBoBandy · 30-03-2021 08:41PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Who is the best to sign up with for charging away from home? Do you get a fob or a card?

Tesla - You are already signed up, just arrive at a SuperCharger and plug in, and your cc that you have in your Tesla account will be billed accordingly. No card or fob needed - the simplest form of charging in the wild you will do.

ESB eCars probably the main network you'd use outside of Tesla if you need to charge in the wild - Get the app, and they will send you a card. PayG account would be the one you'd most likely get unless a very heavy user of their network.

EasyGo - next biggest after eCars, and expanding. app only unless you buy a fob off them for €6

Ionity - Would be for emergencies only, but currently the cheapest option to get access to Ionity is ChargePoint (€0.64/kWh), Standard Ionity price is €0.79/kWh - CharhePoint have an app and they send you a card.

mfceiling wrote: »

Can you rock up to any charger without being registered and just give your credit or debit card and start charging?

No, This is Ireland, and that kind of thing is far too advanced for little old Ireland.

mfceiling wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good insurance broker? Our crowd could only get one company to take us on with a 3k excess!!

XS Direct?

Insurance is a minefield, and what works for one will not work for the other 99%, so you really have to just put in the effort to get as many quotes as you can....

Sam W · 30-03-2021 09:31PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Whats anonymous charging? You need to be registered with eCars to use their chargers!! or are you talking about using another provider to gain access to eCars chargers?

ESB has this concept of anonymous charging which means you won't have to give them your details regarding the payment. However, you are still required to register. So yes you need to be registered with them nonetheless (which is quite stupid to be honest).

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Why would you say this? Slow (AC) charging is much healthier for the overall life of the battery than fast (DC) charging.

If you are somewhere, and will spend a few hours there, it would make a lot more sense to plug into a local AC for the few hours you are there rather than using a DC fast charger on the way there, or on the way home. Why waste time en route charging, when you can charge at the destination!!

I guess I should revise what I said there: Unless you have a reliable destination charger that you know you will have access to, don't rely on destination chargers. High power chargers like Superchargers and Ionity are better for one-off uses, if you only do long trips occasionally.

Most destination chargers in the city are always occupied (even when they said they are not in the app). I go to Marlay Park, Blanchardstown and City Centre every other day. In the place where I normally park my car, there's always, always someone (who's not charging) occupying these spaces.

AndyBoBandy · 30-03-2021 09:41PM

The free ones are certainly a free for all, and I simply consider them off limits now as you are 99% sure a PHEV will be plugged in to it for hours on end....

Paying for AC charging with eCars (and now EasyGo in some sites), was actually a good thing for availability (but bad as it removed an incentive to go EV). The problem is the high profile spots where people are happy to pay to charge for the sake of a prime parking spot.

I went to Bray last summer and both units on the seafront were occupied by cars that were not charging.... 4 spaces taken (3 PHEV’s and an EV van) as there were simply no other ‘normal’ parking spaces available.....

Expect this sort of behaviour to be the norm very soon when we all get to drive around again....

Gumbo · 31-03-2021 01:32PM

Guys, is this a proper Model 3 Performance?
It has the dual motor, correct wheels and Calipers but the word performance pack has me thinking differently?

It’s not a stealth P is it?
Are all Performances listed as LR with P Pack?

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27395656

AndyBoBandy · 31-03-2021 02:42PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Guys, is this a proper Model 3 Performance?
It has the dual motor, correct wheels and Calipers but the word performance pack has me thinking differently?

It’s not a stealth P is it?
Are all Performances listed as LR with P Pack?

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27395656

The red line on the rear under where it says Dual Motor tells me it's a Performance....

I also think those shiny pedals only came as standard on the P (though they could be easily added later...)

Thats an incredible price for a 2019 P with only 8k km's on the clock!!!!!!!
Someone snap it up quickly before they realise it's worth a hell of a lot more than €55k

Gumbo · 31-03-2021 02:50PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The red line on the rear under where it says Dual Motor tells me it's a Performance....

I also think those shiny pedals only came as standard on the P (though they could be easily added later...)

Thats an incredible price for a 2019 P with only 8k km's on the clock!!!!!!!
Someone snap it up quickly before they realise it's worth a hell of a lot more than €55k

I am seriously tempted by a M3P.
I think €55k is where it’s at as it’s 2 years old, older model etc

If it was closer to hone I’d go look at it but I’m not going over the south side as my gut tells me I’d have to give north of €20k with my car and I don’t want it that much

AndyBoBandy · 31-03-2021 02:56PM

The brake pads won't even be worn in yet on that at 8,000km's!!!

it's only 18 months old, and has 1/3 of the mileage my 1 year old SR+ has, for only €6k more than what I paid for mine!!!

Someone get in there and buy that!!!!

I had an S for a few days a few weeks ago, and yeah it was big and soft and quick and generally great, but it honestly felt brilliant getting back into the Model 3 afterwards.... just felt so much more tight & precise (so I can only imagine much much better the P would feel, especially when you play around with track mode).

EVBS · 31-03-2021 03:15PM

Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster

Just have a quick question on the charging speed of the Model 3 SR+. I recently took delivery on mine and everything is great except that it seems to charge very slowly. For example using the Ionity 350 kw fast charger the max speed I was getting was 29 kw. This was at 40% battery and only after it was charging for about half an hour to ramp up to that speed. Similar story with the ESB 50 kw charger, max I got was 22 kw. Even on the standard "slow" chargers it never reaches anywhere near the expected speed.

I know there is new batteries and it charges slower than the LR but this seems excessively slow. Is anyone else's experience similar?

Thanks

WayneEnterprise · 31-03-2021 03:21PM

EVBS wrote: »

Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster

Just have a quick question on the charging speed of the Model 3 SR+. I recently took delivery on mine and everything is great except that it seems to charge very slowly. For example using the Ionity 350 kw fast charger the max speed I was getting was 29 kw. This was at 40% battery and only after it was charging for about half an hour to ramp up to that speed. Similar story with the ESB 50 kw charger, max I got was 22 kw. Even on the standard "slow" chargers it never reaches anywhere near the expected speed.

I know there is new batteries and it charges slower than the LR but this seems excessively slow. Is anyone else's experience similar?

Thanks

Probably same things as explained in this video. TL;DR: SR+ has the LFP battery and seems to need a lot of preconditioning to take higher speeds:

https://youtu.be/21yAKi47iRQ

AndyBoBandy · 31-03-2021 03:32PM

EVBS wrote: »

Even on the standard "slow" chargers it never reaches anywhere near the expected speed.

What speed are you getting on slow (AC) chargers? and what speed are you expecting? Bear in mind the most any Model 3 can take on AC is 11kW (this is determined by the car's onboard AC charger)

You'll only get the full 11kW from a 3 phase charger like an eCars AC22kW unit.
At home, from a single phase domestic supply you'll get a maximum of 7kW only.

EVBS · 31-03-2021 04:42PM

Thanks for the video Wayne, that seems to be the issue alright. I haven't used a supercharger yet so I'll take a trip to one in the next few days to see if it makes a difference. At least its not an issue specific to my car!

Also Andy I haven't gotten my home charger sorted yet so thats good info on what speed I can expect.

Appreciate you guys taking the time to reply

jerryg · 31-03-2021 08:00PM

As regards insurance I used a Broker,
His name is Brian Byrne and his tel no is 01 6674985 . I got a good quote but I’m driving and insured for over 30 years!

J-W · 31-03-2021 08:38PM

I have yet to charge at any public charger with covid restrictions an all .
Can people with more experience clear so things up for me .

If I'm going to a Tesla charger and pop it in the nav as destination the battery will start preconditioning automatically. Is that right ?

Can I precondition for non tesla DC chargers ESB/ ionity ? Does it work the same way or do I do something ?

Thanks

bf · 31-03-2021 09:34PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The red line on the rear under where it says Dual Motor tells me it's a Performance....

I also think those shiny pedals only came as standard on the P (though they could be easily added later...)

Thats an incredible price for a 2019 P with only 8k km's on the clock!!!!!!!
Someone snap it up quickly before they realise it's worth a hell of a lot more than €55k

My old car, it’s a proper P! PM me if you want any details

Gumbo · 31-03-2021 10:47PM

bf wrote: »

My old car, it’s a proper P! PM me if you want any details

Cool. Thanks.

Black_Knight · 01-04-2021 02:56PM

171 Model 3 sold in Feb, and 148 sold in March. Decent numbers, nearly half what was sold in all of last year.

mfceiling · 01-04-2021 05:16PM

So we got our car today.

I really love the inside of it. Very minimalist and an air of quality of the materials used.

Was coming up the m50 doing around 90 and went to overtake a truck....foot down and "whoosh". Literally 120 in a couple of seconds....no delay, just bang and you are flying!!

Brought it home and the wife went for a spin. She drives an 840 BMW which is no slouch for a diesel. We went on to the m50 (inside our 5kms still) and she floored it on the slip road. It frightened the bejaysus out of her....her exact words "Jesus that is like being on a rollercoaster".

For the time being we will only charge from a 3 pin plug if needed or the local circle k has a charger so I'd like to try it to get used to the charging process. In reality we could probably go 3 weeks without charging as we aren't going anywhere soon!!

01-04-2021 06:27PM

What Bollicks robbed the car from Frank keane I was having the mad notion ?

mfceiling · 01-04-2021 07:29PM

Kramer wrote: »

Well wear .

Is the M50 speed limit back up to 120? :eek:.

:P.

The bottom bit past sandyford!!

Gumbo · 01-04-2021 08:45PM

Kramer wrote: »

Is the M50 speed limit back up to 120? :eek:.

:P.

Not near me

I think I got caught doing 120ish in the 100 zone!
There’s was loads of cars with me so it’s a bet on which lane the van was limiting at.

Sam W · 01-04-2021 10:57PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Not near me
I think I got caught doing 120ish in the 100 zone!
There’s was loads of cars with me so it’s a bet on which lane the van was limiting at.

The van can monitor up to 5 lanes at the same time from in both directions, according to RSA.
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/ploughing-championships/watch-how-many-lanes-are-monitored-and-is-there-somebody-in-there-inside-a-speed-camera-van-36150675.html

I saw less guards recently in and around the city, but much more speed vans, which is quite a pain when everyone drives a tiny bit more than the speed limit...

J-W · 02-04-2021 08:38AM

Hi all

Looking if recommendations in a good car shampoo for say monthly hand wash on a car with ceramic coating.
Something with no added wax or gloss

Ta

Gumbo · 02-04-2021 09:10AM

bf wrote: »

My old car, it’s a proper P! PM me if you want any details

Sold already.

Gumbo · 02-04-2021 09:12AM

J-W wrote: »

Hi all

Looking if recommendations in a good car shampoo for say monthly hand wash on a car with ceramic coating.
Something with no added wax or gloss

Ta

What ceramic coating have you got?

The big players have washes to match their coatings with additives to maintain the base layer and boost hydrophobic properties.

Gtechniq have GWash.
CarPro have Reset.

Sam W · 02-04-2021 01:36PM

I was trying to get an idea of how much actual mileage I could get with SR+.

I charged my battery to full 2 weeks ago, and just went on doing grocery shopping etc every few days.

The battery turned yellow (20% left) after 212km, which includes around 40km on motorways doing 110-120km/h. The rest were all city driving.

AndyBoBandy · 02-04-2021 02:19PM

Sam W wrote: »

I was trying to get an idea of how much actual mileage I could get with SR+.

I charged my battery to full 2 weeks ago, and just went on doing grocery shopping etc every few days.

The battery turned yellow (20% left) after 212km, which includes around 40km on motorways doing 110-120km/h. The rest were all city driving.

Do you know what your consumption was in Wh/km for that 212km?

Sam W · 02-04-2021 02:53PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Do you know what your consumption was in Wh/km for that 212km?

Between 145-150 I think

AndyBoBandy · 02-04-2021 03:02PM

I charged to 80% on Tuesday night, drove ~165km's by Thursday afternoon, and was down to 22%
165km for 58% means 100% would get me about 284km (based on those few days conditions).

Based on your 212km for 80% - 100% would get you around 265km

Similar enough numbers, though I only did about 25-30 motorway km's, and the rest were a mix of urban & rural.

Neworder79 · 02-04-2021 03:21PM

As Gov announce new €60,000 cap on the €5,000 SEAI Grant – I assume this means only SR+ with limited configuration now qualifies (€53,657 pre grant)?

mfceiling · 02-04-2021 06:19PM

So I told you I'd be back with stupid questions!!

I see the prices advertised for kWh. Roughly and I mean roughly how many units would it take to charge from 20% to 80%?

Again just a rough idea to get an idea of different charging prices.

Thanks.

Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

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