Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

11521323 wrote: »

I don't have the time or patience to sit on here all day debating with You and Boggles, I'll leave you to it. I'm glad that even on this forum containing only a small subset of people, your opinions are overwhelmingly discounted by people and that's positive to see.I never disagreed with the need for lockdowns or restrictions in the past and I'm not advocating a full reopening yet, I'm just looking at the situation through a holistic lens rather than solely focusing on one facet of the country.
Personally, I'm leaving the country as soon as possible because I wont remain here to pick up the pieces when the Government have finished destroying our economy. It's just sad to see them flush the economy down the toilet 'just to be safe to be safe'. It's like bringing an umbrella out with you every day in the Sahara because it might rain some day.

Funny. You're viewing things holistically but are leaving the country asap. And are apparently quite happy for some to post completely inaccurate information as detailed.

To quote the reply of another poster you also singled out

I didn't ask you for a "debate" TBF.

You decided to label a post that was exclusively facts as a fabrication.

I merely asked you to point out the falsehoods.

bluelamp wrote: »

The "some deaths" in the article is referring to the future, not the past.

Focusing on the past isn't achieving anything. It's easy to point fingers at other countries - but most have had their good phases and bad phases.

If the UK's vaccination program and reopening go as well as they are predicting, we have to say fair play to them rather than belittling their current progress because of past mistakes.

Exactly time to focus on the future and fair play to the uk
. All countries made mistakes like us having the longest lockdown in Europe with youngest population.

bluelamp wrote: »

The "some deaths" in the article is referring to the future, not the past. Focusing on the past isn't achieving anything. It's easy to point fingers at other countries - but most have had their good phases and bad phases. If the UK's vaccination program and reopening go as well as they are predicting, we have to say fair play to them rather than belittling their current progress because of past mistakes.

Did you read what was written at all?

No one is belittling anything. It's simply a fact. They have had one of the 10 death rates in the World. Unless you're suggesting we pretend things like that haven't happened?

And yes as stated that was in the past. And the death rate which started to reduce most noticeably after restrictions were introduced.

And they're in a better place in their vaccination schedule as was detailed and fair play to them.

Klonker wrote: »

It may not be groundbreaking but good luck trying to get NPHET to agree to lift all restrictions by end of July and that they'll never be reimposed. And that the public should live to accept about 2,000 deaths a year from covid going forward.

We've already started to see restrictions started to be lifted (schools) and more planned.

Unless you believe the nonsense that restrictions are never going to be lifted idea
that's going around. Its pure conspiracy theory stuff at best.

Btw where are you getting "public should live to accept about 2,000 deaths a year from covid going forward"?

Would you not agree - that we need to temper any rollback with where we are at with vaccinations? Pretty much what they've done in the UK?

So Israel basically lifted all restrictions once they hit 50% of adult populationhaving a first dose. When would we be expected to hit this figure? Around end of May I'd guess. So would it be reasonable to have all restrictions lifted by mid June?

gozunda wrote: »

We've already started to see restrictions started to be lifted (schools) and more planned.

Unless you believe the nonsense that restrictions are never going to be lifted idea
that's going around. Its pure conspiracy theory stuff at best.

Btw where are you getting "public should live to accept about 2,000 deaths a year from covid going forward"?

Would you not agree - that we need to temper any rollback with where we are at with vaccinations? Pretty much what they've done in the UK?

Did you read what I had written at all?

I didn't say restrictions will never be lifted. The English CMO said no restrictions after ALL restrictions are lifted in June. Ireland should be where the UK are in June in July so my point was do you think NPHET would say to us in a month's time that we'll lift All restrictions by August and that we won't lock down for Covid ever again. And that the public should except the possibility of 25k dieing a year from covid (equivalent of about 2k a year here).

You're saying that's hardly groundbreaking. I'm saying slim chance of NPHET ever saying anything like that.

gozunda wrote: »

No one is belittling anything. It's simply a fact. They have had one if the 10 death rates in the World. Unless you're suggesting we pretend things like that haven't happened?

Yes I agree it's a fact.

A fact that's always spouted as an irrelevant response to any current progress in the UK.

Death rates down... but look how many died. Hospitalisation down... but look how many died. Vaccinations going great.... but look how many died.

I'm not suggesting we pretend it didn't happen. I'm suggesting that it's not relevant as a response to a future looking article.

gozunda wrote: »

No matter what the good news here we seems to have endless doom and gloom and how Ireland is the worstest ever!

Oh the Irony.

Surely you're trolling at this stage.

Does nphat really decide if restrictions cease?

Klonker wrote: »

So Israel basically lifted all restrictions once they hit 50% of adult population having a first dose. When would we be expected to hit this figure? Around end of May I'd guess. So would it be reasonable to have all restrictions lifted by mid June?

Israel have lifted all restrictions? Have you a link for that?

Deleted User wrote: »

Could we maybe stop the pedantry and the pretending that we don't know what words like "basically" mean colloquially and contextually? It'd make conversation a lot less irritating in this thread.

'Basically' is one of those words thrown around like confetti at best

And that the issue - I dont think those often using do know what it means.

In this the statement is effectively meaningless. Israel has not 'in the most essential respects or fundamentally' removed all its restrictions. One of the basic restrictions- wearing masks in public is very much in place as are others.

But finding discussion irritating- there's no need to.

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

All of a sudden it's just a bad flu :pac:

Yes, "all of a sudden"

MOH wrote: »

But the fact is there is no novel virus. There's a variant on a known virus, which the Tanaiste has claimed nobody could possibly have known could exist. Despite it being pretty much inevitable. There were aggressive, more contagious variants of Covid before we ever had a case. The vast majority of cases here last autumn were of a novel strain of the virus we hadn't seen before which arose in Spain during the summer.

I think what you saying in effect is that there's always been variants. That true. But the fact is not all varients are equal. And there's good reason to keep an eye on how they behave but no its not possible to have forewarning what the impacts that any one strain have.

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/UK-VARIANT/ygdpzgblxvw/

The B.1.1.7 variant appears to be more transmissible than the previously predominant circulating strains. Several countries where the variant has become dominant have seen rapid increases in incidence. it seems to be much of Europe which is getting hit atm.

MOH wrote: »

I totally agree that there is a blame game. I'm as guilty as anyone on that front - I frankly got fed up somewhen around late October at the constant bashing of the general public, or cohorts thereof, and ever since then I've been all out on blaming the people I personally hold responsible - the elected (and unelected) public officials who have (to me anyway) complete failed in their duty to do everything reasonable to protect the public.

Personally I don't accept any blame game. The media sensationalise in order to make money. But some groups and places have been hit harder than others. The fact is the virus came, it spread and it infected people. B1.1.7 did that again with even more serious results on people and our health services.

MOH wrote: »

But whatever your views on that front - the notion that we had a perfectly good plan that was ruined by a totally unforeseeable new variant of Covid is pure spin. If the investigative journalism powerhouse that is DublinLive was aware of more aggressive, infectious variants 13 months ago, it's inconceivable that this came as a surprise recently to those who have chosen to use it as an excuse for long-term failings.But hey, that's just my opinion.

I really don't see a spin that we or any country had a perfectly good plan. Most of what has happened has been reactive because largely no country has experienced anything like this previously. And imho I think we've haven't done to bad in keeping down the rate of infection overall. Even the HSE - a behomet once apparently unable to mobilise resources have increasingly played a blinder in relation to caring for the numbers who do end up requiring hospitalisation.

I reckon when we have everyone vaccinated we can move onwards a proper rollback of restrictions and to economic recovery. And the virus and any variants which evolve will be simply managed through annual vaccination.