Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Well the reason for my personal lack of diligence into what you call ‘madey uppy’ figures is that you are on hand to correct figures you may contest. However it seems perfectly in order for you to post stats uncontested and I’m unwilling to let them stand uncontested.Let me ask you this then - you’ve acknowledged a third of infections in the hospitalised figures were acquired in hospital during January of this year, but if you have a look at the same stats for healthcare, patient and staff transmission HSPC data for the same period, it peaks at 12%.

So which is it, 30% approx by your own admission, or 12% by the data your drawing your conclusions from?

Oh miaow. But Incorrect.

What period do you think you're talking about btw?

The reference to the 1/3 of infections in hospital was from a statement made by Varadkar" "in" January and seemed to have been limited in duration going by the available data there is - all of which I referenced btw

Maybe try verifying dates of the period Varadkar referenced and not jump to conclusions?

But more importantly where you getting your 12% from? What are you adding together? . From one single 14 day epidemiological report? Ie the latest one? You do know there's a new report every 14 days yes?

Its already been stated that the data we have is limited but just to keep flogging a dead horse -

You forgot to answer the question asked btw. Why do you believe the HSPC data does not include hospital data?

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We wouldn't have had any eejit with a doctorate popping up on twitter to tell us the next thing to worry about - whatever happened to that Ding lad anyway?

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He moved to Austria and was happy to send his kids to school maskless (his wife was on social media bragging about it) all the while still preaching about how schools in the US needed to STAY CLOSED and everyone should wear 35 masks. Another total hypocrite cashing in on the hysteria.

walus wrote: »

Definitely not. Some say that without social media we would not have entered perpetual lockdowns.

I dont think we would have. China played a blinder with all those videos at the start. Funny how we haven't seen people dropping like flies on the street anywhere else, but if China were welding people in to their apartments it must be needed, right?

walus wrote: »

Exactly. We did not see another Lombardy either.

But but that's because of lockdowns you simpleton (to borrow the type of language used on here by those constantly advocating for them). Except it didn't happen in places that didn't lockdown either, but just ignore that.

DerekC16 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CatrionaReid5/status/1377685856463556608?s=19

lol.

Corona Karen here didnt get the reaction she expected.

Its over.

What did this say? She has either deleted it or her profile is gone private

It’s really interesting to think how we will all view this period when it’s in the rear view mirror. Already we can see the huge effect social media has had on how we all view the dangers. We’ve been literally bombarded with stats, fear, lies as well as the accurate info.

The most disappointing part for me has been seeing people turn on each other. People who have been able to cope or are in a different moment in life raging at those that are in a more social period of their lives. The likes of Pat Kenny raging at people meeting up outside in city green spaces while as an older, wealthy man he can potters around his couple of acres in Dalkey. People have seemed unable to view things from other people’s perspective. This polarisation is exacerbated by social media and seems par for the course in today’s society unfortunately.
We are a long way from in this together.

I was speaking to a mate who was in prison for a stretch and he has some fascinating insights into how people have handled lockdown. Basically those who don’t focus on the liberty that has been taken away but rather looking for positives in any possible way manage the best in prison. He likens It to being thrown into cold water- if you thrash and struggle you won’t last, you need to calm and focus. Thought it was an interesting analogy.

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Theb12!% figure is clear as day from publicised figures

Well I wouldn't be asking if it was? Can you show how you came by your figure of 12%? And reference the report used. Just curious.

But more importantly why do you think the HSPC data does not include the hospital figures?

Deleted User wrote: »

I also wonder if this would have happened if the West was still religious. There has been a massive change in recent years, and particularly this year, the way people view death. One of reads of people in their 90s confining themselves to their home for over a year for fear of getting the virus. I don't think that would've happened in the past. It was just a different world.

Lord Sumption said something interesting in an interview a few months ago. He said that there was no way all of this would have happened in the era of another Englishman. People wouldn't have accepted it, he said.

Brings to mind the opening few words in LP Hartley's wonderful The Go-Between: "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there."

Difference between then and now is social media.

Just disband nphet, get that gob****e Martin off the television and get him a job in one of the sectors he insists on being closed but keep tellin him to hang firm with 300e a week.
Then get that bald lad from nphet and put him in a 10m2 room for two weeks, charge him and then turf the ****er out of the country.
Better off without them.
Why can't they just reopen everything, keep the masks until we are all vaccinated and be ****in done with it.

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cityam.com/no-more-lockdowns-uk-will-treat-covid-like-seasonal-flu-says-chris-whitty/amp/%3ffbclid=IwAR3AIsouluS8vZdNg8b9eGqP2yxYWUR4bptJsx0yD5j8esez2prBU15PtFY


No more lockdowns – Britain will treat Covid like flu, says Chris Whitty

Accepting some virus deaths is price of allowing people to live a 'whole life', says chief medical officer

And then we have NPHET.

All of a sudden it's just a bad flu :pac:

Couldn't believe the HSE fella on the Tonight show downplaying the effects of the virus on people in their 20s. I've never heard them speak like that even though we all know it's true. Difference now is they are using it to defend themselves in the change to the vaccine selection process. So much has been expected of teenagers and people in their 20s and it's no wonder they are now starting to just get on with their lives again.

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Couldn't believe the HSE fella on the Tonight show downplaying the effects of the virus on people in their 20s. I've never heard them speak like that even though we all know it's true. Difference now is they are using it to defend themselves in the change to the vaccine selection process. So much has been expected of teenagers and people in their 20s and it's no wonder they are now starting to just get on with their lives again.

They should prob consider opening up 3rd level so..........
Those students have been abandoned
Simon Harris sticks his oar in every other portfolio but is an absentee landlord on his own

bluelamp wrote: »

Same here - the blame game really surprised me.

It has been constant - teenagers, building sites, Northern Ireland, Brazilians, Britain, kids home for Xmas, airlines, airports, meat factories, asylum seekers, direct provision centers, people walking on beaches outside 5km etc etc.

Maybe it makes people feel better to have something to blame and be outraged by all the time - but the fact is, a novel virus is to blame.

We were never going to be a New Zealand or Australia, for reasons that have been discussed to death.

We haven't done too badly overall, but the outrage and blame games have been very tiring.

It's all too easy for the Government and NPHET to blame everyone else except themselves.

Just remember that when they're pointing the finger of blame at us there's 4 fingers pointing back at them.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

But but that's because of lockdowns you simpleton (to borrow the type of language used on here by those constantly advocating for them). Except it didn't happen in places that didn't lockdown either, but just ignore that.

Ironically the ones who don’t easily acquiesce and insists on stat based evidence are referenced to as simpletons.

Surely the stats back it up by now though, we know who the simpletons are

Sweden vs Ireland. The most relaxed vs the most suppressive and youthful nation in the EU. Where is an over 65 citizen safer???

There can only be one winner