cattle trailer

memorystick · 31-03-2021 03:57PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/14x56-quot-tractor-cattle-trailer/27161427

These seem like a handy trailer. Low and solid. 7 or 8 fats or 40 lambs. That’s if you went for 16 foot. Marginally dearer than the Ivan Willy but for a tractor.

emaherx · 31-03-2021 04:06PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

My point is and I be quite clear there is other options but you need to be organized. If your transportation bill is 1500/ year buying a trailer dose not mean that 1500 in costs disappears totally.

Of coarse there are other options, dosen't mean they are right for everyone or every situation. Easy to say just be organized, unless you have experience of my farm layout then you have no idea. I am organized and having the trailer gives me flexibility to be spontaneous and reactive also.

Of coarse costs don't disappear totally, but they are down considerably. Economics are not the only factor here either, my own time management is important too and having the trailer here helps that greatly. I've used small trailers and lorry drivers for these movements in the past and can say from experience that my own large tractor trailer works best in my situation. Even at 1.5k per year the trailer has paid for itself in less that the time to be written off against tax and will continue to be used for 20+ years beyond that.

Tomjim · 31-03-2021 06:13PM

memorystick wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/14x56-quot-tractor-cattle-trailer/27161427

These seem like a handy trailer. Low and solid. 7 or 8 fats or 40 lambs. That’s if you went for 16 foot. Marginally dearer than the Ivan Willy but for a tractor.

how much is this trailer

Bass Reeves · 31-03-2021 07:09PM

Tomjim wrote: »

how much is this trailer

If it more expensive than a similar IW jeep trailer it's 7-8k I say

minerleague · 31-03-2021 07:35PM

emaherx wrote: »

Of coarse there are other options, dosen't mean they are right for everyone or every situation. Easy to say just be organized, unless you have experience of my farm layout then you have no idea. I am organized and having the trailer gives me flexibility to be spontaneous and reactive also.

Of coarse costs don't disappear totally, but they are down considerably. Economics are not the only factor here either, my own time management is important too and having the trailer here helps that greatly. I've used small trailers and lorry drivers for these movements in the past and can say from experience that my own large tractor trailer works best in my situation. Even at 1.5k per year the trailer has paid for itself in less that the time to be written off against tax and will continue to be used for 20+ years beyond that.

I bought 14' tri axle to move cattle. Very fragmented farm, only had mf 265 at the time so that put me off big tractor trailer. Use the box on jeep for mart or factory, and tractor for moving cattle to outside blocks where access is limited. What I find about hauliers is no problem get cattle home from mart as they are usually there anyway and 1 may have bought nothing, but a different story moving a small no of cattle between 2 blocks of land. Often kept waiting around too and you have to go to destination anyway in your own car/keep. Also the way grading is gone in factory you cant just load up a lorry load so handy to pick out 4 that's ready load up. Mightn't suit everyone but I'm very happy with this approach.

memorystick · 31-03-2021 09:54PM

Tomjim wrote: »

how much is this trailer

It was €5500 but steel is gone up. I’d like a 16 foot. Wouldn’t be outrageous at €6500. A jeep trailer will cost over 4 with way more maintenance.

Bass Reeves · 31-03-2021 10:47PM

memorystick wrote: »

It was €5500 but steel is gone up. I’d like a 16 foot. Wouldn’t be outrageous at €6500. A jeep trailer will cost over 4 with way more maintenance.

It's 77 sq foot of floor area a 12X6 box office s 72 sq ft. The extra length may or may not be an advantage in what you are loading. One disadvantage there is only a single wheels both side an IW box has four wheels if you were really stuck and only s few miles from your destination you can keep going. IMO the wheel arch is too tight to the wheel, mud will get stuck there if going into a field. Is there any small side door. Ramp door I'd held in by flimsy pins.

IW 2.5 k, the go of this type of one is 1.5 k. Floor and lifting but I be willing to redo floor. It probably an older type IW with out the folded steel toe bar with channel.iron instead. I say brakes are not working so definately s 1.2-1.5k job.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/ifor-williams-cattel-trailer-12x6/27649093

Here is a cleaner box it has the folded steel tow bar, brakes and lights etc working according to add. Look for 2.7 euro probably be bought for 2500 euro. Just a little bit worried about the floor looks like a slight lift on the back of it.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/ifor-12x6-trailer-alloy-floor-brakes-lights/26604028

Here is an older type box again channel iron towbar and chassis but a fresh looking box. Brakes and light ok bring sold by a machinery dealer 2250 asking 2 k will probably buy it. Behind a tractor doing 40-50 hours work a year it will last you 20+ years if you can park it in a shed for the winter. It would be good enough to pull behind a jeep if you wanted to and if you kept it clean you can move furniture for the rented house with it

Tomjim · 01-04-2021 11:50AM

I think you are missing a link there Bass with details of a trailer from DD

Just a general query, what are the chances that the trailer will not fit on the hitch of the tractor properly and I would have to make adjustments to the drawbar on the tractor.

Be rough if I bought the trailor home and it turned out it didn't fit the tractor, I have a Case CS94

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2021 12:03PM

Tomjim wrote: »

I think you are missing a link there Bass with details of a trailer from DD

Just a general query, what are the chances that the trailer will not fit on the hitch of the tractor properly and I would have to make adjustments to the drawbar on the tractor.

Be rough if I bought the trailor home and it turned out it didn't fit the tractor, I have a Case CS94

Yes you have to measure the height of your drawbar. I did the same. However you have to remember it so depends on the amount of work. Like I said earlier it will in most cases take a 3 k+ transport bill to justify a 8k spend in a tractor trailer. There is also options like changing the ball hitch to an eye hitch they can be sourced I think they are in the 50-80 euro mark

Tomjim · 01-04-2021 02:19PM

If an IW trailer fitted the drawbar on the tractor, would that mean that a Hudson, Bateson etc would also fit ie are all trailers built the same

emaherx · 01-04-2021 04:28PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Like I said earlier it will in most cases take a 3 k+ transport bill to justify a 8k spend in a tractor trailer.

You have, and you said we need a lesson in economics. Maybe you are right because I'm still confused.

3k transport bill per year would mean the trailer has more or less paid for itself in 3 years of savings alone, it will also be written off against tax over 8 years not to mention the convenience of having the trailer ready when you are.

Maybe it's just my poor economics but It still seems a good deal with a transport bill of half that.

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2021 06:38PM

emaherx wrote: »

You have, and you said we need a lesson in economics. Maybe you are right because I'm still confused.

3k transport bill per year would mean the trailer has more or less paid for itself in 3 years of savings alone, it will also be written off against tax over 8 years not to mention the convenience of having the trailer ready when you are.

Maybe it's just my poor economics but It still seems a good deal with a transport bill of half that.

Your transportation charges are tax deductible whether you deprecate a trailer or pay for transportation......unless you are an idiot and pay cash without a receipt. At my calculations 40-50% of my bill and is maintenance and diesel costs to the supplier. You can cut the 3k back to 1500-1800 in what you savings may be. Opportunity value of money is minimum 5% or a out 150/year. I am not going to bother about if you borrowed the money and were paying 6% interest. As well the trailer will not eliminate all your transport costs you will hardly hook it up to carry or collect cattle from a mart or factory 20+ miles away.

Any way I look at it it 6+ years minimum pay back. Most lads will have or have access to a small box anyway to move 1-2 animals.

emaherx · 01-04-2021 06:51PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Your transportation charges are tax deductible whether you deprecate a trailer or pay for transportation......unless you are an idiot and pay cash without a receipt. At my calculations 40-50% of my bill and is maintenance and diesel costs to the supplier. You can cut the 3k back to 1500-1800 in what you savings may be. Opportunity value of money is minimum 5% or a out 150/year. I am not going to bother about if you borrowed the money and were paying 6% interest. As well the trailer will not eliminate all your transport costs you will hardly hook it up to carry or collect cattle from a mart or factory 20+ miles away.

Any way I look at it it 6+ years minimum pay back. Most lads will have or have access to a small box anyway to move 1-2 animals.

Your tractor is very hard on diesel with those calculations, you have allowed more in fuel than I'd burn running the whole farm. After the pay back the trailer continues to work for another 20+ years also.

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2021 08:00PM

emaherx wrote: »

Your tractor is very hard on diesel with those calculations, you have allowed more in fuel than I'd burn running the whole farm. After the pay back the trailer continues to work for another 20+ years also.

You want to be moving about 3-500 cattle to have a transport bill that high. That to some may seem an exaggeration but if I have 5 or less stores I usually collect them myself. It is only when I have more than that I start looking for transport. If I have any way decent bunch I can get them shifted for 10-12/head very seldom would I pay more than 15/head and I am very small scale. In the last year I only spend 250-300 on transport. Worst year I got ever had was 7-800. Only reason I bought the 12X6 is I have Friesians and they tend to try to jump the barriers between loads to the factory one broke his leg last year. You would want to be moving a serious amount of cattle go land yourself with a 3k bill

emaherx · 01-04-2021 08:37PM

You still only see a trailer as transport to the mart or factory.
I don't have 3-500 cattle to move, but I do need to move the same groups of 20/30 animals regularly in order to manage grass.

Distances are short, so fuel bill is low, trailer doesn't require much maintenance, and it doesn't add much to the maintenance costs of the tractor.

J.O. Farmer · 01-04-2021 09:48PM

emaherx wrote: »

You still only see a trailer as transport to the mart or factory.
I don't have 3-500 cattle to move, but I do need to move the same groups of 20/30 animals regularly in order to manage grass.

Distances are short, so fuel bill is low, trailer doesn't require much maintenance, and it doesn't add much to the maintenance costs of the tractor.

Ah well sure that's where you're going wrong. You should be dividing up your cattle into smaller groups on each block rather than moving between blocks. You'd just need to make more paddocks on each block.

If you move 30 cattle 10 times it's like moving 300 once.

Tomjim · 01-04-2021 09:57PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/immaculate-ifor-williams-trailer/26982341

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/ifor-williams-12x5-9-high-roof/27090113

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/ifor-williams-12x6-sheep-decks/26835534

what you think of these trailers, is the price ok?

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2021 09:59PM

emaherx wrote: »

You still only see a trailer as transport to the mart or factory.
I don't have 3-500 cattle to move, but I do need to move the same groups of 20/30 animals regularly in order to manage grass.

Distances are short, so fuel bill is low, trailer doesn't require much maintenance, and it doesn't add much to the maintenance costs of the tractor.

No I do not I was just giving an example. I also buy cattle off farms not as many last year as previous years. I also have an 8 acre plot 12 miles away from the farm. Many times I got cattle moved in these scenarios and haulage would be in the 50-100 euro for batches of 5-12 animals.
TBH moving cattle between farms is only a little different to moving cattle from.mart to farm or visa versa. Biggest difference is you are contacting a lad that has a truck, tractor and trailer or jeep and trailer directly and you have to work around his schedule.

emaherx · 01-04-2021 10:19PM

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Ah well sure that's where you're going wrong. You should be dividing up your cattle into smaller groups on each block rather than moving between blocks. You'd just need to make more paddocks on each block.

If you move 30 cattle 10 times it's like moving 300 once.

I'm glad you have that worked out for me without knowing how many cattle, number or sizes of fields, not to mention soil types.

Toetohand · 01-04-2021 10:28PM

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Ah well sure that's where you're going wrong. You should be dividing up your cattle into smaller groups on each block rather than moving between blocks. You'd just need to make more paddocks on each block.

If you move 30 cattle 10 times it's like moving 300 once.

J.O are you not making more work for the poster. Give me one group of 20/30 any day. You’d have plenty diesel burnt driving around checking small groups

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2021 10:32PM

emaherx wrote: »

I'm glad you have that worked out for me without knowing how many cattle, number or sizes of fields, not to mention soil types.

I always find it interesting when farmers explain that there farm is unique. That what works elsewhere will not work there. In general in life you can look at the problems or you can look at solutions.

Dunedin · 01-04-2021 10:35PM

Probably a stupid question but I’ll ask anyways.

Are brakes a legal requirement on all such cattle trailers now?

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2021 10:43PM

Dunedin wrote: »

Probably a stupid question but I’ll ask anyways.

Are brakes a legal requirement on all such cattle trailers now?

I say it general trailer rules. The towing ability of any vehicle has a braked and un braked rating as well as an assisted braking rating.

Looking at my CX 80

Unbraked. 3000kgs
Independent beaked 6000 kgs
Inertia braked. . 8000kgs
Hydraulic brakes. 33000kgs

Albert Johnson · 01-04-2021 10:45PM

Tomjim wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/immaculate-ifor-williams-trailer/26982341

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/ifor-williams-12x5-9-high-roof/27090113

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/ifor-williams-12x6-sheep-decks/26835534

what you think of these trailers, is the price ok?

There all similar enough looking as regards age and condition and there's not a huge variation in price. I'd be inclined to leave off the high roof model unless you had a specific reason (eg. carrying horses) in mind. The higher roof will catch more wind and leave it a bit harder pulled. The last trailer has sheep decks which may or may not be an advantage to you.

Provided there in good condition, tyre's, brakes, hitch, floor, lights, bodywork ect you'll not buy much at that sort of money and with moderate use and care they should last for year's. Remember a new hitch is €200-300, tyre's are going to be €70-€100 so you wouldn't find spending €1000 on tidying up a trailer.

J.O. Farmer · 01-04-2021 10:45PM

emaherx wrote: »

I'm glad you have that worked out for me without knowing how many cattle, number or sizes of fields, not to mention soil types.

I wasn't being serious, you were being told you didn't need a trailer.

J.O. Farmer · 01-04-2021 10:47PM

Toetohand wrote: »

J.O are you not making more work for the poster. Give me one group of 20/30 any day. You’d have plenty diesel burnt driving around checking small groups

It'd be more expense too setting up more paddocks etc.

Tomjim · 01-04-2021 11:09PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

There all similar enough looking as regards age and condition and there's not a huge variation in price. I'd be inclined to leave off the high roof model unless you had a specific reason (eg. carrying horses) in mind. The higher roof will catch more wind and leave it a bit harder pulled. The last trailer has sheep decks which may or may not be an advantage to you.

Provided there in good condition, tyre's, brakes, hitch, floor, lights, bodywork ect you'll not buy much at that sort of money and with moderate use and care they should last for year's. Remember a new hitch is €200-300, tyre's are going to be €70-€100 so you wouldn't find spending €1000 on tidying up a trailer.

no brakes and the ramp needs a small bit of attention, is it a reasonable price?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/bateson-12x59-quotnew-led-lights/27699524

would the brakes cost much to fix?

Albert Johnson · 01-04-2021 11:24PM

Tomjim wrote: »

no brakes and the ramp needs a small bit of attention, is it a reasonable price?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cattletrailers-for-sale/bateson-12x59-quotnew-led-lights/27699524

would the brakes cost much to fix?

If all it needs is a few brake cables then it shouldn't cost much to get the brakes working, I don't see the issue with the ramp and it looks like it's been touched up already? If the hitch and damper are operating correctly and the brake shoes and general assembly are in good condition and only need adjustment then it's not big job. However you'd need to establish this before purchasing.

What would you be towing it with? Brakes are much more than a luxury but if it was for use solely behind a tractor then it wouldn't be as big an issue. Obviously if towing with a jeep or SUV then it's a totally different story. Bateson wouldn't be overly popular or better designed but it would do the occasional work for a lot of lad's.

emaherx · 02-04-2021 07:06AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I always find it interesting when farmers explain that there farm is unique. That what works elsewhere will not work there. In general in life you can look at the problems or you can look at solutions.

Every farm is unique, and what works on one farm dose not always work on another. Farming on a fragmented farm is not the same as farming on a single block.

I have a solution and it works well for a once of investment I'm quite happy with. Like I've said I've done it with a smaller trailer and I've done it hiring trucks and have found having the larger trailer on hand more useful. Your examples have been moving small groups 5-12 or trips to the mart which is still not the same thing.

Dunedin · 02-04-2021 11:02AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I say it general trailer rules. The towing ability of any vehicle has a braked and un braked rating as well as an assisted braking rating.

Looking at my CX 80

Unbraked. 3000kgs
Independent beaked 6000 kgs
Inertia braked. . 8000kgs
Hydraulic brakes. 33000kgs

Does that mean that you can tow 3000kgs which includes total weight of trailer and content (animals) legally without brakes on trailer?

I have LWB land cruiser but have no idea of what towing capacity is.

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