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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • #8282
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    I actually think that disclosing Cabinet information about the Budget prior to a Dail vote would be more serious, but you do you.

    It might be more serious but he has not been charged with this. Let's just stick to what he has been charged with.


  • #8283
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    It might be more serious but he has not been charged with this. Let's just stick to what he has been charged with.
    Nothing at the moment. (Better check Twitter to see if Leo the Leak has tweeted that he has been charged. :) ) The Gardai are still investigating and may forward a file to the DPP.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #8284
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    jmcc wrote: »
    Nothing at the moment. (Better check Twitter to see if Leo the Leak has tweeted that he has been charged. :) ) The Gardai are still investigating and may forward a file to the DPP.

    Regards...jmcc

    Whatever happens - remember if it’s not on Twitter it’s not real. The story is dead and Leo did nothing wrong.


  • #8285
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    It might be more serious but he has not been charged with this. Let's just stick to what he has been charged with.

    Stick to what he has been charged with? So stick to nothing then?


  • #8286
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You're the lad who decided to create an account here with a username of Varadkar's partner, and then proceeded to mention 'Leo', 'LV', 'Varadkar' thousands of times. I'm not suggesting you are homophobic for a second, but, you are, in a small and insignificant way, part of the wider issue. Your animus towards him is obsessional, and it all feeds into this frenzy of nastiness that is affecting politicians from across the political spectrum. Criticise the government, opposition, political ideologies, even statements, but obsession with an individual is weird tbh.



    It's not good. It's bad for a social democracy like Ireland, as it individualises everything.

    If you can find one post were I talk about him that doesn't relate to something he said, did or government policy it will be a surprise to me.
    I think using the man's ethnicity or sexuality, (as you do here and Blanch does regularly and Mark O'Daly and more recently Pintsmanpaddy) to deflect in an unrelated discussion is a form of abuse.

    The man is gaffe prone, lacks empathy and is under criminal investigation for passing a confidential government document to his pal. Using his sexuality to distract is despicable and shouldn't be allowed IMO.


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  • #8287
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Stick to what he has been charged with? So stick to nothing then?
    He has admitted leaking a confidential document to his friend.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #8288
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    jmcc wrote: »
    He has admitted leaking a confidential document to his friend.

    Regards...jmcc

    However he has not been charged with anything, like that poster I was responding to was suggesting, correct?


  • #8289
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    However he has not been charged with anything, like that poster I was responding to was suggesting, correct?

    It's whether the act was criminal or not. He did the deed. Nothing will change that. Criminality will compound the disgrace for FF/FG/Green.


  • #8290
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    James Brown wrote: »
    It's whether the act was criminal or not. He did the deed. Nothing will change that. Criminality will compound the disgrace for FF/FG/Green.

    Sorry James, but this is the post I am referring to.
    skimpydoo wrote: »
    It might be more serious but he has not been charged with this. Let's just stick to what he has been charged with.

    This is factually incorrect as he has not been charged with anything, can you agree?


  • #8291
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Sorry James, but this is the post I am referring to.



    This is factually incorrect as he has not been charged with anything, can you agree?

    Yet.

    The Gards are currently preparing a file to be sent to the DPP, which the DPP will have to consider, the file will come with a recommendation from the Gards, which the DPP can choose to take into consideration or ignore.

    Leo hasn't spoken with the Gards yet, not sure if that's any sign of what's to come or not. But it certainly appears Leo's in trouble.


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  • #8292
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Sorry James, but this is the post I am referring to.



    This is factually incorrect as he has not been charged with anything, can you agree?

    No, You quoted this:
    jmcc wrote: »
    He has admitted leaking a confidential document to his friend.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #8293
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,919 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    James Brown wrote: »
    It's whether the act was criminal or not. He did the deed. Nothing will change that. Criminality will compound the disgrace for FF/FG/Green.

    Of course he has not been charged. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting otherwise.

    It's also worth noting that the cabinet at the time of the incident being discussed was comprised of FG and Independents relying on FF through the Confidence and Supply agreement.

    It's hard to see how FF and GP will be disgraced whatever the outcome.


  • #8294
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    James Brown wrote: »
    No, You quoted this:

    No James, you need read the full trail. He was responding to me and I replied.

    Has Varadkar been charged with anything James, yes or no?


  • #8295
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    elperello wrote: »
    It's hard to see how FF and GP will be disgraced whatever the outcome.
    If Varadkar is charged then Martin is going to look very weak and will be deposed. The impact on FF support could send it below 10% in the opinion polls as Martin will be seen as nothing other than a puppet for FG even though FF has more seats than FG. The downside of this is far worse for FF. It will, to the electorate, be another confirmation of "vote FF, get FG".

    Regards...jmcc


  • #8296
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Yet.

    The Gards are currently preparing a file to be sent to the DPP, which the DPP will have to consider, the file will come with a recommendation from the Gards, which the DPP can choose to take into consideration or ignore.

    Leo hasn't spoken with the Gards yet, not sure if that's any sign of what's to come or not. But it certainly appears Leo's in trouble.

    So, you are in full agreement with me then that he hasn't been charged with anything and the other poster was factually incorrect.

    Thanks.


  • #8297
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    elperello wrote: »
    Of course he has not been charged. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting otherwise.

    It's also worth noting that the cabinet at the time of the incident being discussed was comprised of FG and Independents relying on FF through the Confidence and Supply agreement.

    It's hard to see how FF and GP will be disgraced whatever the outcome.

    FF GP endorsed his leaking of a confidential document to a pal, when they voted confidence in him.

    If Leo is charged and convicted, they endorsed an illegal act.


  • #8298
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    McMurphy wrote: »
    FF GP endorsed his leaking of a confidential document to a pal, when they voted confidence in him.
    I think that FF and the Greens said it was an FG problem and that FG had to deal with it. To date, it has not.

    Regards...jmcc


  • #8299
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,919 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    jmcc wrote: »
    If Varadkar is charged then Martin is going to look very weak and will be deposed. The impact on FF support could send it below 10% in the opinion polls as Martin will be seen as nothing other than a puppet for FG even though FF has more seats than FG. The downside of this is far worse for FF. It will, to the electorate, be another confirmation of "vote FF, get FG".

    Regards...jmcc
    McMurphy wrote: »
    FF GP endorsed his leaking of a confidential document to a pal, when they voted confidence in him.

    If Leo is charged and convicted, they endorsed an illegal act.

    A couple of ifs and a bit of speculation and personal opinion but I'm not seeing the impact on FF and GP. But that's just my opinion.


  • #8300
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    elperello wrote: »
    A couple of ifs and a bit of speculation and personal opinion but I'm not seeing the impact on FF and GP. But that's just my opinion.

    There's no ifs about what Leo did, he admitted it and apologised. FF and the Greens endorsed it.


  • #8301
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    elperello wrote: »
    A couple of ifs and a bit of speculation and personal opinion but I'm not seeing the impact on FF and GP. But that's just my opinion.

    Agreed, not seeing the FF/GP impact. If criminal charges are brought then it is because of information found during the investigation that isn't currently in the public domain, you can't blame FF/GP (or indeed other members of FG) for not having the full details of a subsequent investigation at the time they gave him their confidence. They are going on the facts currently available.


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  • #8302
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Agreed, not seeing the FF/GP impact. If criminal charges are brought then it is because of information found during the investigation that isn't currently in the public domain, you can't blame FF/GP (or indeed other members of FG) for not having the full details of a subsequent investigation at the time they gave him their confidence. They are going on the facts currently available.

    Complete speculation in the bolded bit and pre-empting the outcome.

    FF and the GP endorsed Varadkar in the vote of confidence. They will be asked to own that decision and that is where the damage will be done.


  • #8303
    Nobotty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Agreed, not seeing the FF/GP impact. If criminal charges are brought then it is because of information found during the investigation that isn't currently in the public domain, you can't blame FF/GP (or indeed other members of FG) for not having the full details of a subsequent investigation at the time they gave him their confidence. They are going on the facts currently available.

    Pretty much
    I'm expecting them to be very thorough because of the sensitive nature of this, but there''ll be no file going to the DPP unless there's a recommendation to charge someone and that won't be happening because there's no crime
    Theres enough barristers available to the current cabinet to confirm that, some of them party T.D' S which is why they voted confidence in him
    They're not eejits


  • #8304
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,919 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    McMurphy wrote: »
    There's no ifs about what Leo did, he admitted it and apologised. FF and the Greens endorsed it.

    Still quite a few "ifs" to be chewed over.

    I still can't agree that any disgrace attaches to FF/GP.


  • #8305
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Complete speculation in the bolded bit and pre-empting the outcome.

    FF and the GP endorsed Varadkar in the vote of confidence. They will be asked to own that decision and that is where the damage will be done.

    They voted confidence in him based on the information available to them. If that information changes at a later point then only people looking to score some political points will be asking FF/GP to "own" the original decision.


  • #8306
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Nobotty wrote: »
    Pretty much
    I'm expecting them to be very thorough because of the sensitive nature of this, but there''ll be no file going to the DPP unless there's a recommendation to charge someone and that won't be happening because there's no crime
    Theres enough barristers available to the current cabinet to confirm that, some of them party T.D' S which is why they voted confidence in him
    They're not eejits

    Wrong.
    A file is set to be sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) regarding the investigation into the leaking of a confidential draft contract by Tánaiste Leo Varadkar in the next two months.

    As for your assertion that "no crime was committed" that's why the file is being sent to the DPP - they will make that call, which a judge will have to adjudicate on.

    Your predictions haven't been great on this thread so far nobotty, weren't you the poster that was scoffing at Debbie McCanns article that reported the guards had progressed their preliminary investigations into the full blown criminal ones a week or two before any other media outlet announced it?


  • #8307
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    No James, you need read the full trail. He was responding to me and I replied.

    Has Varadkar been charged with anything James, yes or no?

    This investigation has been going since last year and it looks more likely that he will be charged.

    Leo's cheerleaders on here last year said this would all blow over and that the American election would replace it as news.

    Guess what? That has not happened and it's only a matter of time before he is charged.

    In the unlikely event that he is not charged, I will hold my hands up and say Mea Culpa. If he is charged will you and the other cheerleaders do the same?

    A simple yes or no will suffice.


  • #8308
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    This investigation has been going since last year and it looks more likely that he will be charged.

    Leo's cheerleaders on here last year said this would all blow over and that the American election would replace it as news.

    Guess what? That has not happened and it's only a matter of time before he is charged.

    In the unlikely event that he is not charged, I will hold my hands up and say Mea Culpa. If he is charged will you and the other cheerleaders do the same?

    A simple yes or no will suffice.

    I'm not a "cheerleader" skimpy, so you would need to ask someone who is. My simple request is that people just deal in the facts, rather than making things up, such as claiming someone has been charged.

    If people feel the need to make things up then it starts to look like they believe the facts aren't enough to get a result in their favour.


  • #8309
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Nobotty wrote: »
    Pretty much
    I'm expecting them to be very thorough because of the sensitive nature of this, but there''ll be no file going to the DPP unless there's a recommendation to charge someone and that won't be happening because there's no crime
    Theres enough barristers available to the current cabinet to confirm that, some of them party T.D' S which is why they voted confidence in him
    They're not eejits

    If there is no crime, why is the investigation still ongoing and why did Leo apologise?

    Confidence was voted in him because party TD's want to keep their snout in the trough and FG are happy for FF cabinet members to go but they don't want any FG cabinet member to resign or step aside.


  • #8310
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    elperello wrote: »
    Of course he has not been charged. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting otherwise.

    It's also worth noting that the cabinet at the time of the incident being discussed was comprised of FG and Independents relying on FF through the Confidence and Supply agreement.

    It's hard to see how FF and GP will be disgraced whatever the outcome.

    They are already disgraced by shrugging off what Varadkar did, worried they might lose power. Not surprised by FF on that but a little by the Greens.
    As I say if he is charged/found criminal it will add to their disgrace.


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  • #8311
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    James Brown wrote: »
    They are already disgraced by shrugging off what Varadkar did, worried they might lose power. Not surprised by FF on that but a little by the Greens.
    As I say if he is charged/found criminal it will add to their disgrace.

    It's possible that some Green TD's may end up leaving the party if is charged/found guilty.


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