VW ID.4

KCross · 29-03-2021 12:20PM

VW have actual button controls for volume, channel change, temp and obviously wipers/lights/ACC. Everything else is in the touchscreen.

How much more button pressing do people do/need while driving?

I dont think its a big issue in the ID's tbh, they have the balance just about right. I certainly dont find myself regularly messing with the touchscreen while driving. The important functions are within instant reach.

You can argue, on preference, for a few extra buttons for heated seats or the like but you have to draw the line somewhere and I've setup the heated seats to auto turn on at a setting I like and the car decides that based on the temperature, so a dash button isnt really required.

Some people want buttons for everything, others like what Tesla have done with buttons for nothing and VW have done something in between. Like most things, its a preference and something you need to get used to when you get a new unfamiliar car.

cannco253 · 29-03-2021 12:25PM

https://www.edmunds.com/volkswagen/id4/

How economical is the ID.4? 8.5
The ID.4 First Edition has an official range of 250 miles and a consumption of 35 kWh per 100 miles. We ran the ID.4 on Edmunds' real-world range loop on a 100% battery charge (a charge of 80% is recommended for daily use), and it went a total of 287 miles and consumed less energy than its official rating at just 28.8 kWh per 100 miles. That's just marginally less efficient than a Nissan Leaf and an admirable result for a vehicle that's quite a bit bigger.

Interesting to see that from the Edmunds test the ID.4 real world range is higher then the Model Y.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html

Good to know about the buffer, just in case...
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/testing-teslas-range-anxiety.html
The ID.4 had more energy in reserve than the Mach-E, going 9.4 miles past an indicated zero at 65 mph. Once it was unable to maintain 65 mph, it continued to lose a couple of mph about every minute. We kept driving and made it a total of 12.9 miles beyond zero, just feet ahead of where the Model Y stopped.

Commenting on the buffer, Matthew Renna, vice president of e-mobility, Volkswagen Group of America, said, "It is standard practice from most [auto]makers to build a small buffer into the batteries, for obvious reasons, so we weren't surprised by the result. It is analogous to ICE [internal combustion engine] vehicles, where automakers usually have some fuel in reserve when the car shows zero."

Black_Knight · 29-03-2021 12:32PM

KCross wrote: »

You can argue, on preference, for a few extra buttons for heated seats

Tap the temperature down and up buttons at the same time. It cycles through the heated seat levels.

Black_Knight · 29-03-2021 12:33PM

TheWonderLlama wrote: »

My kids discovered that you could pull down the centre backrest for an armrest and do it again to get access to the boot area.

I went in to a shop to pick up something with two of them in the back seats and when I came back out the two of them had disappeared. After a moment of pure panic, I heard them giggling in the boot. They had crawled from the seats into the boot and pulled up the seat back after them.

Bloody gremlins.

Play along. Shrug your shoulders, get in the car, and drive on.

the_amazing_raisin · 29-03-2021 01:05PM

cannco253 wrote: »

https://www.edmunds.com/volkswagen/id4/

How economical is the ID.4? 8.5
The ID.4 First Edition has an official range of 250 miles and a consumption of 35 kWh per 100 miles. We ran the ID.4 on Edmunds' real-world range loop on a 100% battery charge (a charge of 80% is recommended for daily use), and it went a total of 287 miles and consumed less energy than its official rating at just 28.8 kWh per 100 miles. That's just marginally less efficient than a Nissan Leaf and an admirable result for a vehicle that's quite a bit bigger.

Interesting to see that from the Edmunds test the ID.4 real world range is higher then the Model Y.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html

Good to know about the buffer, just in case...
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/testing-teslas-range-anxiety.html
The ID.4 had more energy in reserve than the Mach-E, going 9.4 miles past an indicated zero at 65 mph. Once it was unable to maintain 65 mph, it continued to lose a couple of mph about every minute. We kept driving and made it a total of 12.9 miles beyond zero, just feet ahead of where the Model Y stopped.

Commenting on the buffer, Matthew Renna, vice president of e-mobility, Volkswagen Group of America, said, "It is standard practice from most [auto]makers to build a small buffer into the batteries, for obvious reasons, so we weren't surprised by the result. It is analogous to ICE [internal combustion engine] vehicles, where automakers usually have some fuel in reserve when the car shows zero."

Not surprising really, the ID.4 did much better in the WLTP cycle which focuses more on city driving than the EPA one

Truth be told, test cycles aren't much use except for benchmarking one car against another, and even then it all depends on how you drive. If you do a lot of city driving, then you'll probably get closer to the WLTP range, if you drive on motorways then the EPA figure if probably closer to what you'll get

One interesting thing is how the differences between WLTP and EPA results show how the manufactuers are gaming the tests. VWs generally perform better on WLTP cycle because that's what is used in Europe which is the main market. Tesla does better on the EPA cycle since the majority of it's customers are in the US. I'd say that's fairly solid evidence the cars are optimised around testing cycles to achieve the best results

the_amazing_raisin · 29-03-2021 02:13PM

Silent Running wrote: »

Right at the start of the Neo development (anyone remember that?) VW said that they see everything being controlled by voice. Now, they still have a way to go with that.

I'm interested to see how far they take voice control.

I used to work with a guy from Cork who had such a thick West Cork accent that we had to get another guy to translate what he was saying most of the time.

I'd love to sit him in an ID.3 and see how the voice control performs

Silent Running · 29-03-2021 02:18PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I used to work with a guy from Cork who had such a thick West Cork accent that we had to get another guy to translate what he was saying most of the time.

I'd love to sit him in an ID.3 and see how the voice control performs

You could sell tickets to that.

the_amazing_raisin · 29-03-2021 02:32PM

Just watching a bit of Bjorn's livestream of the ID.4 trip back from the Arctic circle

Very interesting thing happened with the charging, when he didn't navigate to one of the Ionity stations the charging was a bit slower, probably down to coldgating

But, when he used navigation to go to a charger he got full speed, including the chargers before and after the coldgating one

That seems to indicate that the car will preheat the battery before it charges when you have a charger programmed into the navigation

That's pretty huge IMO, makes cold gating a thing of the past. VW said they were going to implement that but it hadn't been mentioned in any of the updates, so I wonder if it's there not not fully implemented yet

cannco253 · 29-03-2021 09:31PM

I logged into the Volkswagen.ie website earlier (My volkswagen), forgot all about it.

It shows you the spec of your car and I was surprised that under the We Connect functions section it shows the current range and last update time. Handy for when you don't have the phone on you I suppose, but not that helpful overall at the moment.

vectra · 30-03-2021 01:45AM

Took a test drive in an ID4 1st edition today. I was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was to drive, didn't have much time to have a fiddle with everything but the headunit confused the $hite out of me :P. But I guess a bit of time spent with it and it would become a formality.

The other concern I had was seating. I noticed after 10kms approx, I could feel my lower back complaining. This is something I don't want as I suffer with a back issue and don't want to aggrevate it every time I drive. I have literally none of this in the Ateca.
Have to decide in the next day or so if I want to book a 1st edition or not.
Thoughts on the seating?
Possibly adjustment?

Black_Knight · 30-03-2021 07:19AM

vectra wrote: »

Took a test drive in an ID4 1st edition today. I was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was to drive, didn't have much time to have a fiddle with everything but the headunit confused the $hite out of me :P. But I guess a bit of time spent with it and it would become a formality.

The other concern I had was seating. I noticed after 10kms approx, I could feel my lower back complaining. This is something I don't want as I suffer with a back issue and don't want to aggrevate it every time I drive. I have literally none of this in the Ateca.
Have to decide in the next day or so if I want to book a 1st edition or not.
Thoughts on the seating?
Possibly adjustment?

I'd say only you can decide that. See about getting another test drive IMO.

Silent Running · 30-03-2021 07:45AM

vectra wrote: »

Took a test drive in an ID4 1st edition today. I was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was to drive, didn't have much time to have a fiddle with everything but the headunit confused the $hite out of me :P. But I guess a bit of time spent with it and it would become a formality.

The other concern I had was seating. I noticed after 10kms approx, I could feel my lower back complaining. This is something I don't want as I suffer with a back issue and don't want to aggrevate it every time I drive. I have literally none of this in the Ateca.
Have to decide in the next day or so if I want to book a 1st edition or not.
Thoughts on the seating?
Possibly adjustment?

I have the electric massage seats in the ID.3 and they have height adjustable lumbar support and thigh support. At the moment I'm driving a loaner ID.3 and the seats are noticeably less comfortable, with no lumbar support.

Maybe wait until you can spec an ID.4 with these seats, or the sport seats?

the_amazing_raisin · 30-03-2021 08:01AM

vectra wrote: »

Took a test drive in an ID4 1st edition today. I was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was to drive, didn't have much time to have a fiddle with everything but the headunit confused the $hite out of me :P. But I guess a bit of time spent with it and it would become a formality.

The other concern I had was seating. I noticed after 10kms approx, I could feel my lower back complaining. This is something I don't want as I suffer with a back issue and don't want to aggrevate it every time I drive. I have literally none of this in the Ateca.
Have to decide in the next day or so if I want to book a 1st edition or not.
Thoughts on the seating?
Possibly adjustment?

If you need better seats then you might need to go for the 1st Max as it has the adjustable lumbar support

Black_Knight · 30-03-2021 08:39AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

If you need better seats then you might need to go for the 1st Max as it has the adjustable lumbar support

Or the "Tech" spec. It's a few k cheaper than the max, but it's the only other 77kWh version with lumbar support. 54k though.

Black_Knight · 30-03-2021 09:21AM

Is everyone getting a single phase charging cable only? Pity/annoying they don't provide a cable (3 phase 16 amp) capable of transferring what the car is capable of consuming.:mad:

vectra · 30-03-2021 09:32AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

I'd say only you can decide that. See about getting another test drive IMO.

Yes indeed that is true,
I was offered an overnight test if I wished. I will take their offer and see how it goes.

cannco253 · 30-03-2021 10:33AM

Bjoyrn Nyland VW ID4 1st Max interior review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk27CV8WvOE

First time I've seen an OBD2 connected to the ID.4 at 10 minutes in.
I've see elsewhere that if you have the EV notify app running and use ABRP it shows you the battery % continuously in the bottom corner of the main screen.

catharsis · 30-03-2021 10:40AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Is everyone getting a single phase charging cable only? Pity/annoying they don't provide a cable (3 phase 16 amp) capable of transferring what the car is capable of consuming.:mad:

I thought I remembered checking that in the brochure and the cables was capable of 11KW - have you queried with the dealer?

the_amazing_raisin · 30-03-2021 10:46AM

catharsis wrote: »

I thought I remembered checking that in the brochure and the cables was capable of 11KW - have you queried with the dealer?

Here's what's in the current brochure

Charging Equipment
»Three pin home socket charging cable, 10A
»Charging cable Mode 3 Type 2, 32 A
»Battery charging capacity - max. 11kW AC, max. 125kW DC
»8 year battery warranty or 160,000km, which ever comes first

It doesn't mention a 3 phase cable at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it said 3 phase before.

It'll be pretty annoying if they downgraded to a single phase cable

AndyBoBandy · 30-03-2021 10:51AM

Doesn't the ID.3 only come with a single phase cable too?

There'll be a lot of confused people out there wondering why their not getting the advertised 11kW from public AC chargers soon....

the_amazing_raisin · 30-03-2021 10:55AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Doesn't the ID.3 only come with a single phase cable too?

There'll be a lot of confused people out there wondering why their not getting the advertised 11kW from public AC chargers soon....

The ID.3 came with a 16A 3-phase cable, or at least the 1st editions did

Some clown in VW Ireland needs to learn the differences between single phase and 3 phase :rolleyes:

AndyBoBandy · 30-03-2021 10:58AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Some clown in VW Ireland needs to learn the differences between single phase and 3 phase :rolleyes:

surprised they didn't just copy and paste it from a rival's website...... looking at you Audi..... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

eagerv · 30-03-2021 11:04AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Here's what's in the current brochure

Charging Equipment
»Three pin home socket charging cable, 10A
»Charging cable Mode 3 Type 2, 32 A
»Battery charging capacity - max. 11kW AC, max. 125kW DC
»8 year battery warranty or 160,000km, which ever comes first

It doesn't mention a 3 phase cable at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it said 3 phase before.

It'll be pretty annoying if they downgraded to a single phase cable

The Id.3 1st came with a Mode 3 Type 2 16A Cable, so I presume the ID.4 one is a 3 phase 32A cable, which surely gives the best of both worlds? ie, 7 kW on single phase and 11kW on 3 phase? Will be a bit chunky though..

Black_Knight · 30-03-2021 11:13AM

Car just arrived, and has been **** on by a bird!

Checked the cables and I think I got a 3 phase 32Amp cable. I'll try it out at Lidl this weekend.

Only noticed after the dealer left, that keyless entry/keyless go isn't enabled, and for the life of me I can't figure out how to turn it on. When I approach the car it doesn't unlock. When I enter the car it powers up, but doesn't start the car (ie. I need to push the start button).
Anyone know where that setting is or how I can enable that?

the_amazing_raisin · 30-03-2021 11:18AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Car just arrived, and has been **** on by a bird!

Checked the cables and I think I got a 3 phase 32Amp cable. I'll try it out at Lidl this weekend.

Only noticed after the dealer left, that keyless entry/keyless go isn't enabled, and for the life of me I can't figure out how to turn it on. When I approach the car it doesn't unlock. When I enter the car it powers up, but doesn't start the car (ie. I need to push the start button).
Anyone know where that setting is or how I can enable that?

Wait, did you buy an ID.4? I thought you were getting an Outlander

eagerv · 30-03-2021 11:19AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Car just arrived, and has been **** on by a bird!

Checked the cables and I think I got a 3 phase 32Amp cable. I'll try it out at Lidl this weekend.

Only noticed after the dealer left, that keyless entry/keyless go isn't enabled, and for the life of me I can't figure out how to turn it on. When I approach the car it doesn't unlock. When I enter the car it powers up, but doesn't start the car (ie. I need to push the start button).
Anyone know where that setting is or how I can enable that?

That's good luck:D.

Best wishes with the car, did you press on the brake pedal firmly to start?

TitianGerm · 30-03-2021 11:19AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Car just arrived, and has been **** on by a bird!

Checked the cables and I think I got a 3 phase 32Amp cable. I'll try it out at Lidl this weekend.

Only noticed after the dealer left, that keyless entry/keyless go isn't enabled, and for the life of me I can't figure out how to turn it on. When I approach the car it doesn't unlock. When I enter the car it powers up, but doesn't start the car (ie. I need to push the start button).
Anyone know where that setting is or how I can enable that?

Does the car start when you push the break down and flick into D/B?

Black_Knight · 30-03-2021 11:23AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

Does the car start when you push the break down and flick into D/B?

I believe so. Had to jump back to work so couldn't play with it.

Does the 1st have keyless entry or just keyless start?

Black_Knight · 30-03-2021 11:23AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Wait, did you buy an ID.4? I thought you were getting an Outlander

Maybe one day. For now, I'll see how this ID4 goes.

cannco253 · 30-03-2021 11:24AM

My cable shows 32A 480V on the connectors

VW ID.4

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