Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

FintanMcluskey · 27-03-2021 04:33PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You need to control your thanks reflex

Haha

Sarcasm detectors are weak in that one

Tork · 27-03-2021 04:36PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Spotted 2 kids teams training today and 3 seperate groups of adults having a game of 5 a side in a field. Good to see people back doing non risk activities .

So tell me, what size was this field and can you describe what measures were being taken to help avoid spreading Covid? Were the people standing on the sidelines chatting in close-knit groups or keeping their distance? Where did the adults change in and out of their gear. We all want our old lives back and to be able to participate in sports again. But if things like this are going on and people aren't taking the necessary precautions it is risky behaviour. Being outdoors doesn't automatically mean the virus can't be spread.

Klonker · 27-03-2021 04:37PM

RobitTV wrote: »

We need to start thinking about outdoor living according to this article

Irish Times: Public urged not to travel due to risk of asymptomatic spread

Infectious disease specialist Dr Mary Horgan has called on the public not to travel during Easter weekend due to the risk of asymptomatic people spreading Covid-19.

Dr Horgan said the public needed to think about outdoor living while the days are getting longer and the weather warmer.

“Communities locally should be thinking about how to live outdoors. Now is the time to start building infrastructures outdoors,” she said.

“It aligns with our climate green agenda also perhaps by closing the streets in our towns, incentivising people and putting the onus on businesses in communities to see how they can adapt. Let’s be creative. That’s what we Irish are good at.”

Irish Times

What I don't like about comments like this is its not clear what's meant by them. When she talks about outdoor living what exactly does she mean and more importantly for how long? Is she talking about until June? Until September? Until the end of the year? For 5 years? Or indefinetly? I just think it's a dangerous comment to throw out there with little context particularly for restaurant and pub owners and a lot of other industries who'll worry if they'll ever get their businesses open again.

Klonker · 27-03-2021 04:42PM

Tork wrote: »

Being outdoors doesn't automatically mean the virus can't be spread.

No, it just makes it highly, highly unlikely to spread.

A lot would argue the benifits far out weigh the risks.

Multipass · 27-03-2021 04:43PM

RobitTV wrote: »

We need to start thinking about outdoor living according to this article

Irish Times: Public urged not to travel due to risk of asymptomatic spread

Infectious disease specialist Dr Mary Horgan has called on the public not to travel during Easter weekend due to the risk of asymptomatic people spreading Covid-19.

Dr Horgan said the public needed to think about outdoor living while the days are getting longer and the weather warmer.

“Communities locally should be thinking about how to live outdoors. Now is the time to start building infrastructures outdoors,” she said.

“It aligns with our climate green agenda also perhaps by closing the streets in our towns, incentivising people and putting the onus on businesses in communities to see how they can adapt. Let’s be creative. That’s what we Irish are good at.”

Irish Times

Never have I wished so hard for a laugh reaction instead of a like.

AlekSmart · 27-03-2021 04:44PM

Tork wrote: »

So tell me, what size was this field and can you describe what measures were being taken to help avoid spreading Covid? Were the people standing on the sidelines chatting in close-knit groups or keeping their distance? Where did the adults change in and out of their gear. We all want our old lives back and to be able to participate in sports again. But if things like this are going on and people aren't taking the necessary precautions it is risky behaviour. Being outdoors doesn't automatically mean the virus can't be spread.

Indeed it does'nt ....however....

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55680305

Researchers say infections can happen outdoors, but the chances are massively reduced.

Fresh air disperses and dilutes the virus.

It also helps to evaporate the liquid droplets in which it is carried.

On top of that, ultraviolet light from the Sun should kill any virus that's out in the open.

BUT...Everybody take note each time you pass such sporty shennanigans as described earlier....

Even so, there are a handful of cases where it's believed that infections did happen outside.

One study found that two men in China talking face-to-face for at least 15 minutes was enough to spread the virus.

So it's best to be careful.........;)

AlekSmart · 27-03-2021 04:46PM

Multipass wrote: »

Never have I wished so hard for a laugh reaction instead of a like.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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copeyhagen · 27-03-2021 05:05PM

Tork wrote: »

So tell me, what size was this field and can you describe what measures were being taken to help avoid spreading Covid? Were the people standing on the sidelines chatting in close-knit groups or keeping their distance? Where did the adults change in and out of their gear. We all want our old lives back and to be able to participate in sports again. But if things like this are going on and people aren't taking the necessary precautions it is risky behaviour. Being outdoors doesn't automatically mean the virus can't be spread.

too risky, dead right

Tork · 27-03-2021 05:12PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Indeed it does'nt ....however....

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55680305

BUT...Everybody take note each time you pass such sporty shennanigans as described earlier....

So it's best to be careful.........;)

If you have a group of people standing huddled close together in a small group, as might happen on a bitterly cold, windy day like today, there is more of a risk. It's no different to people gathering together at funerals or at the school gates. The risk is reduced but is not non-existent.

AlekSmart · 27-03-2021 05:20PM

Tork wrote: »

If you have a group of people standing huddled close together in a small group, as might happen on a bitterly cold, windy day like today, there is more of a risk. It's no different to people gathering together at funerals or at the school gates. The risk is reduced but is not non-existent.

Absolutely...One cannot be complacent.

27-03-2021 05:24PM

Tork wrote: »

The risk is reduced but is not non-existent.

I'd be quite prepared to take a risk that can be described as "not non-existent" with a virus that is about as dangerous as flu in my age group. Particularly with families my offspring are mixing with daily in school.

The idea that children can mix in school but "playdates" between the same children are off the cards is fatuous nonsense. About as silly as the idea that the number of cases in otherwise healthy younger people should guide the stringency of restrictions.

Tork · 27-03-2021 05:25PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Absolutely...One cannot be complacent.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not

Tork · 27-03-2021 05:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd be quite prepared to take a risk that can be described as "not non-existent" with a virus that is about as dangerous as flu in my age group. Particularly with families my offspring are mixing with daily in school.

The idea that children can mix in school but "playdates" between the same children are off the cards is fatuous nonsense. About as silly as the idea that the number of cases in otherwise healthy younger people should guide the stringency of restrictions.

It's a moot point anyway - people are making their own decisions. I just don't like seeing these blanket "Lovely to see people out doing X and Y" without knowing more. If I went along to one of these gatherings and got chatting face to face with a covid carrier who's who's a "spitter" or coughs in my face, being outdoors isn't going to save me. Somebody is spreading this virus. Naturally, it's always somebody else.

27-03-2021 05:29PM

Tork wrote: »

It's a moot point anyway - people are making their own decisions. I just don't like seeing these blanket "Lovely to see people out doing X and Y" without knowing more. If I went along to one of these gatherings and got chatting face to face with a covid carrier who's who's a "spitter" or coughs in my face, being outdoors isn't going to save me. Somebody is spreading this virus. Naturally, it's always somebody else.

Right. And since you seem very concerned with catching it, it is then a reasonable decision for you to keep yourself indoors and away from others.

AlekSmart · 27-03-2021 05:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Right. And since you seem very concerned with catching it, it is then a reasonable decision for you to keep yourself indoors and away from others.

Ah...but can you define reasonable ?

PintOfView · 27-03-2021 05:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd be quite prepared to take a risk that can be described as "not non-existent" with a virus that is about as dangerous as flu in my age group. Particularly with families my offspring are mixing with daily in school.

If everyone was prepared to take the risk that you are, where would we be then?
What do you think that would do to the R rate?

27-03-2021 05:54PM

PintOfView wrote: »

If everyone was prepared to take the risk that you are, where would we be then?
What do you think that would do to the R rate?

I don't particularly care about the R rate so long as the ICU numbers and daily death rate (as opposed to delay-in-reporting deaths) are falling. Why would anyone?

27-03-2021 05:54PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Ah...but can you define reasonable ?

No, because everyone's risk tolerance is different. It is an individual decision.

Iused2likebusts · 27-03-2021 06:23PM

Tork wrote: »

So tell me, what size was this field and can you describe what measures were being taken to help avoid spreading Covid? Were the people standing on the sidelines chatting in close-knit groups or keeping their distance? Where did the adults change in and out of their gear. We all want our old lives back and to be able to participate in sports again. But if things like this are going on and people aren't taking the necessary precautions it is risky behaviour. Being outdoors doesn't automatically mean the virus can't be spread.

A huge field 8 kids having a kickaround 2 parents hung around and watched/chatted keeping a reasonable distance while speaking. 16 adults having a game at the other end of the field nobody watching. Then later in the morning I participated in a game of 5 a side myself first game in 6 months. 10 people either drove alone or walked to the location played for an hour and left. At the same location another 12 lads playing a game about 80 yards away. A packed playground on the walk back to the car with about 60 people inside all talking ,playing and touching the same surfaces. One of the activities is banned the other isnt.

Graham · 27-03-2021 06:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No, because everyone's risk tolerance is different. It is an individual decision.

Fortunately that's not true however much you'd like it to be.

lawred2 · 27-03-2021 06:53PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

A huge field 8 kids having a kickaround 2 parents hung around and watched/chatted keeping a reasonable distance while speaking. 16 adults having a game at the other end of the field nobody watching. Then later in the morning I participated in a game of 5 a side myself first game in 6 months. 10 people either drove alone or walked to the location played for an hour and left. At the same location another 12 lads playing a game about 80 yards away. A packed playground on the walk back to the car with about 60 people inside all talking ,playing and touching the same surfaces. One of the activities is banned the other isnt.

carry on to fu(k - sport is good for your health - curtain twitching while breathing your own stale exhalations however ..

Jimi H · 27-03-2021 06:59PM

Apologies if already posted. The lancet report is a tough read. At least it was for me. I just assumed we’d be ok when a large percentage were vaccinated. I think the government need to communicate honestly with us about how we’re going to get back to living our lives and living safely. If we need to make changes going forward let us know and we can be prepared and ready.
https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1375169141796184064?s=20

Jimi H · 27-03-2021 07:00PM

This is pretty grim too.
https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_td/status/1375383290153160708?s=21

Multipass · 27-03-2021 07:07PM

Jimi H wrote: »

This is pretty grim too.
https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_td/status/1375383290153160708?s=21

I love how it was ok to shut schools, postpone cancer screening, pay billions to keep people at home - but never ever can you stop meat production.

Graham · 27-03-2021 07:12PM

Multipass wrote: »

I love how it was ok to shut schools, postpone cancer screening, pay billions to keep people at home - but never ever can you stop meat production.

Food production has been rightly classed as essential from Day 0.

I assume the reasoning is fairly obvious.

Jimi H · 27-03-2021 07:16PM

Multipass wrote: »

I love how it was ok to shut schools, postpone cancer screening, pay billions to keep people at home - but never ever can you stop meat production.

I agree. It seems very few profit from meat. Farmers have said for years that they struggle, factory workers seem to be treated pretty poorly with no rights, environmental impact will cost us all with the emissions and not just financially and the factories are a hotbed for Covid. But hey, the fat cats have good lobbyists and friends in high places.

CalamariFritti · 27-03-2021 07:35PM

Graham wrote: »

Food production has been rightly classed as essential from Day 0.

I assume the reasoning is fairly obvious.

The vast majority of meat produced is exported.

Stheno · 27-03-2021 07:37PM

Jimi H wrote: »

Apologies if already posted. The lancet report is a tough read. At least it was for me. I just assumed we’d be ok when a large percentage were vaccinated. I think the government need to communicate honestly with us about how we’re going to get back to living our lives and living safely. If we need to make changes going forward let us know and we can be prepared and ready.
https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1375169141796184064?s=20

I discount anything supported by Gerry Kileen tbh

Graham · 27-03-2021 07:38PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

The vast majority of meat produced is exported.

Changes nothing.

We import lots of food products that similarly have not been restricted.

Multipass · 27-03-2021 07:39PM

Graham wrote: »

Food production has been rightly classed as essential from Day 0.

I assume the reasoning is fairly obvious.

Meat isn’t essential

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