What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

dobman88 wrote: »

Dya have a link to the tweet? I didnt bother picking it up yesterday cos I have a batch 1 already but if its just a label mix up and it is actually batch 2 I'd pick it up.

Sorry for asking but I've had a look through their Twitter and couldnt see them mention it. Cheers.

Posted the tweet on the last page.

Looks like a label mistake to me.

Bottle is new. Cork is new. And it does taste different. Not massively so but I’m getting sweeter notes to this one. Lookin forward to some more of it tonight. :-)

Perhaps I can clear up this Puca confusion.

It is the second bottling of this blend.
It is the same distillate.
However it has been in the finishing casks for longer so it is slightly different - nicer. Calling it batch 1 is not a mistake.

And that poster is correct - we aren't stupid enough to not proof read our labels - that being said, mistakes do get made - there's an awful lot involved in putting a new product on the shelves.

The box for this run is slightly different, too.

dobman88 wrote: »

Sorry. I still cant see it so not sure what I'm missing.

the beer revolu has cleared it up anyway thankfully.

Someone tweeted this from the distillery calling it batch 2 so that’s the confusion.

Anyway I’m glad I bought three bottles. Very nice whiskey.

NIMAN wrote: »

Think it was around £75 per bottle. I remember thinking about how each glass cost more than I'd normally pay for a bottle, and surely it can't be worth it. But it was the best wine I had ever tasted, absolutely beautiful. It was a nice treat and shows what money can buy.

I should add that beyond a particular price point you are probably paying just for a perceived rarity or celebrity value or some USP, like a bottle from a closed distillery, or a chateau's finest vintage.
As in, I think we can understand that a 12 year old whiskey costs more to produce than a young blend, or that wines from lower yielding sites is about quality than quantity, more hand picking of selected grapes etc

But how much of the difference in price between the €1000 bottle and the €100 are production costs \ amount of labour.
Diminishing returns start to set in after a certain point.

odyssey06 wrote: »

I should add that beyond a particular price point you are probably paying just for a perceived rarity or celebrity value or some USP, like a bottle from a closed distillery, or a chateau's finest vintage.
As in, I think we can understand that a 12 year old whiskey costs more to produce than a young blend, or that wines from lower yielding sites is about quality than quantity, more hand picking of selected grapes etc

But how much of the difference in price between the €1000 bottle and the €100 are production costs \ amount of labour.
Diminishing returns start to set in after a certain point.

The price is affected by so much more than just the actual production costs. The margin a distillery will want on a whiskey they've been maturing for 27 years will want to be higher than one they distilled for 7 years, because the risk was higher. There will be less of it and so supply and demand kicks in. Etc etc etc.

A good example might be Redbreast. 12 goes for €60, Lustau (with a value added casking) for €70 and cask strength for €90 give or take; but then the 10 year old cask goes for €100 retail and is probably available for quite a bit more on secondary markets, because it's meant to be a limited edition experience.

That being said, the way pricing works in Ireland thanks to duties, there is a definite point of improving returns in the quality of the juice you can get at the lower to mid end.

the beer revolu wrote: »

I don't really get where you're coming from here.
A €200 46% bottle has the exact same duty as a €40 46% bottle and they both have the same vat rate.

I think we're in violent agreement here, no, insofar as the excise either a €20, €40 or €200 bottle of whiskey attracts is the same if the % of alcohol is the same. So the excise creates a floor for the margin. The VAT scales but the excise does not, so there's a big difference in the amount a producer of a 40% bottle gets at €25 vs €35 was my point.

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's a flat amount.
So on a €40 bottle of 30% of the money you spent is duty.
On a €200 bottle less than 10% is duty.

Similarly on wine, whatever bottle you buy you have a sunken cost of €4-€5 in duty.

I understand that.

I perhaps don't understand the comment I was responding to.

Cazale wrote: »

Tommy Tiernan fell down his stairs and hurt himself the other day. His anecdote reminded me of myself and a few others on this thread.

I was wearing socks and carrying whiskey, and I had a book in me hand, a book about God. And I was gone, I went all the way down from the second step. I was delivered then out onto the floor, helpless like a baba, roaring.”

He said he hurt his leg “all the way from the kneecap up to the top of my thigh. I broke nothing but muscle has come off bone or tendons are stretched, something like that. The ribs are done in as well. The ribs weren’t from being hit, the ribs were from some weird stretch that I did in the fall.

He joked: “As I was falling I was just focused entirely on the whiskey.”

Never mind Tommy Tiernan - How's that new M&M tasting? :D:D

the beer revolu wrote: »

I understand that.

I perhaps don't understand the comment I was responding to.

No worries... I guess the point I'm making is that on a low to mid priced bottle, there can be significant changes in quality with relatively low € amounts difference in the price, because of the floor excise makes on the tax paid. There's also I imagine a floor on packaging and distribution costs that are probably the same on either bottle, near enough.

So to make up an example, a producer might make €0 on the first €15 of a bottle, and might be making €0.20 on every euro thereafter when the VAT and retailer margin comes off. So (with this entirely made up scenario) on a €25 bottle, I might make €2 and on a €35 bottle I might make €4, double the amount for a 40% increase in the price. So to my original comment, there can be major differences at the lower-mid price range because the amount a producer is making once they've cleared the hurdle of excise and distribution costs goes up considerably.

But now that I've spoken about Redbreast earlier in the thread, I should say Lustau is soon to be wetting the bottom of my glass. Lovely sipper.

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/irish-family-run-distillery-wins-best-new-whiskey-in-the-world-award-1102033.html
Outside of The Whistler, I know nothing about them, anybody here know what their whiskeys are like?

I'm not sure if the awarded products are commercially available yet outside of samples e.g. best new make spirit.

I really liked the Whistler Calvados cask finish but that must have been bought in stock.

odyssey06 wrote:

I'm not sure if the awarded products are commercially available yet outside of samples e.g. best new make spirit.

I tried a 25ml sample of their new spirit during a tasting with their master distiller and remember enjoying it. I wish some of the new distilleries would release their unaged new make while we are waiting. I've tried new make from Clonakilty, Waterford, Royal Oak distillery, Powerscourt, Teeling, Cooley and Killowen before and it's interesting to see where the spirit might go.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I have had a page opens in chrome for months now to remind me to go researching new makes.

https://coolmaterial.com/food-drink/best-white-whiskey/

I'm the same as yourself, I would love the option rather than waiting oir just gin.

Good link. Kilbeggan released a set in 2009 of spirits aged 1 month, 1 year and 2 year. Turns up at auction regularly for between 20-30 euro. I must try pick one up.

https://www.scotchmaltwhisky.co.uk/spiritofkilbeggan.htm

murphyebass wrote: »

Well considering blackwater distillery confirmed it was the 2nd batch to a mate of mine through Twitter I’d say I am in a position to know that.

That tweet in no way confirms that it was a cock up with labels. As I said, it maybe have been. But we don’t know that and it’s a bit much to be asserting that.


Edit: Just it was confirmed above that it wasn’t a mistake.
As I said, batch # refer to distillation a few years ago. And in no way connect to Aldi's logistics and purchasing.

Mellor wrote: »

That tweet in no way confirms that it was a cock up with labels. As I said, it maybe have been. But we don’t know that and it’s a bit much to be asserting that.


Edit: Just it was confirmed above that it wasn’t a mistake.
As I said, batch # refer to distillation a few years ago. And in no way connect to Aldi's logistics and purchasing.

It doesn’t confirm a cock up but it did refer to it as batch 2. The label says batch 1 which led to confusion.

This has since by a boards member, who I can only assume work for the distillery, been clarified.

He/she has stated that it’s still batch 1 so the label is correct.

Maybe yourself and pleasant co should meet up for a whiskey to calm yourselves slightly.

I have been nothing but complimentary of the whiskey. I’m half was through my first bottle of three ffs!!