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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2020

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK


    al2009 wrote: »
    Could i get pm's with munster based PV installers please? Perferably ones that you've had experience with.

    PM sent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭al2009


    Thanks for the pm's folks, much appreciated!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sebdavis


    Whats the max panels you are allowed? I have 19 but I hear people have installed more? I have never gone over 5kWh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Deagol


    sebdavis wrote: »
    Whats the max panels you are allowed? I have 19 but I hear people have installed more? I have never gone over 5kWh

    As I understand. There is no limit on number of panels. But there is a limit on how much grid connected power you are allowed. Bear in mind that if you have 8kw of panels connected to a 5kw inverter, you are still limited to max of 5kw of grid power by the inverters ability to convert the 8kw of DC / Solar power to AC 'grid' power.

    You cannot have more than 6kw grid connected power so you cannot have say 24 panels and two 5kw inverters for instance. You could have >6kw of solar but you'd have to have anything over the 6kw connected to off grid devices (say directly to immersion heaters).

    At least that's my understanding, I could be corrected yet though by someone else :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK


    sebdavis wrote: »
    Whats the max panels you are allowed? I have 19 but I hear people have installed more? I have never gone over 5kWh

    I have 20 @ 6.2kw and no planning permission. I'm not really worried about the PP.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    sebdavis wrote: »
    Whats the max panels you are allowed? I have 19 but I hear people have installed more? I have never gone over 5kWh

    Throw up whatever you want, I’ve filled both aspects of my semi roof with 36m2 of panels...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Tarant


    I assume your house fuse is 63Amp (some have 80)single phase, which is the bottleneck, correct me if I am wrong. That's max 14.4kw


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Tarant wrote: »
    I assume your house fuse is 63Amp (some have 80)single phase, which is the bottleneck, correct me if I am wrong. That's max 14.4kw

    Nothing to do with your main fuse, Its ESB rules
    https://www.esbnetworks.ie/new-connections/generator-connections/connect-a-micro-generator

    They don't (well officially) recognise export limitation, But you can put as much panels up as the inverter can handle on the DC Side.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Tarant wrote: »
    I assume your house fuse is 63Amp (some have 80)single phase, which is the bottleneck, correct me if I am wrong. That's max 14.4kw

    Technically that's probably not far from the truth but... it might be very risky to put in larger AC side (ie, inverter with >6kw capability) as the new smart meters will certainly have the capability of noticing it. I'm not sure would happen but I'd not like to find out - if nothing else, what is the advantage if you cannot be paid for more than 6kw anyway? If you wanted to use solar to power say mining PC's or a hot water storage tank then you might as well connect off grid and stay on the right side of the 'law'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭blue chuzzle


    on the 50cm rule:

    just curious, whats it there for? is it a safety thing?

    real question: If my roof is connected to my neighbors roof, that's not an edge, so i can go right up to that boundary without breaking any rules, right?

    actually, on the feed in tarrif - as far as i can see its for new systems installed after july only and you will need a C level or higher BER on the building to qualify - is this correct?

    thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Deagol


    on the 50cm rule:

    just curious, whats it there for? is it a safety thing?

    real question: If my roof is connected to my neighbors roof, that's not an edge, so i can go right up to that boundary without breaking any rules, right?

    actually, on the feed in tarrif - as far as i can see its for new systems installed after july only and you will need a C level or higher BER on the building to qualify - is this correct?

    thanks!

    The 50 cm rule is simply because if you put the panels close to the edge, the wind can get under them and lift them up - I was told by a roofer that in fact they could rip the battens up and then lift the entire roof off!

    The FIT in July is not decided yet. But there has been indications that you will possibly need a B or better BER. This is I think , to stop people putting up solar to make money but at the same time have a badly ineffecient house. In other words, they want you to spend money first on simpler things like insulation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭blue chuzzle


    Deagol wrote: »
    The 50 cm rule is simply because if you put the panels close to the edge, the wind can get under them and lift them up - I was told by a roofer that in fact they could rip the battens up and then lift the entire roof off!

    The FIT in July is not decided yet. But there has been indications that you will possibly need a B or better BER. This is I think , to stop people putting up solar to make money but at the same time have a badly ineffecient house. In other words, they want you to spend money first on simpler things like insulation.

    Ah, makes sense on the wind thing - that backs up my hope that I can use the space right up to my neighbours part of our shared roof - the 50cm rule is tricky on my roof as it slopes to the front, back and also to the gable end so the south facing part is like a rectangle with a triangle attached.

    Interested to see how little concern there is around the number of panels vs planning permission in these conversations, has anyone actually got planning permission specifically for solar?

    My roof will only fit about 7 panels anyway so it's not an issue in my case unfortunately.

    I see the zappi has a 1.4kw activation - that's higher than I expected, feels like a 2.5kw system might be too small to effectively use that? Anyone with a small system is a zappi charger effectively? Home all day and will be in future too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,377 ✭✭✭KCross


    actually, on the feed in tarrif - as far as i can see its for new systems installed after july only and you will need a C level or higher BER on the building to qualify - is this correct?

    It won’t be just for new systems.
    And the BER requirement will likely be tied to the grant, like it is already, not the FiT.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk



    I see the zappi has a 1.4kw activation - that's higher than I expected, feels like a 2.5kw system might be too small to effectively use that? Anyone with a small system is a zappi charger effectively? Home all day and will be in future too.

    Yeah to get any benefit from it, it needs an 1.4kw excess to start, above your normal house load. Getting a zappi over a cheaper charge point just for solar isn't worth it with a small system.


  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well I'm a C1 looking to get into B category, so happy there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭garo


    I see the zappi has a 1.4kw activation - that's higher than I expected, feels like a 2.5kw system might be too small to effectively use that? Anyone with a small system is a zappi charger effectively? Home all day and will be in future too.
    graememk wrote: »
    Yeah to get any benefit from it, it needs an 1.4kw excess to start, above your normal house load. Getting a zappi over a cheaper charge point just for solar isn't worth it with a small system.


    I wouldn't be so sure. You could get a cheaper system with a non-hybrid inverter and no battery and spend some of that money getting a Zappi. You can control how much initial export the Zappi needs to get going. So you could theoretically set the Zappi to start when there is 700W excess and it will take the rest from the grid. If your car is home during the day and you have a south facing roof there is a good chance you charge your car with the Zappi at least four months of the year.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    garo wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure. You could get a cheaper system with a non-hybrid inverter and no battery and spend some of that money getting a Zappi. You can control how much initial export the Zappi needs to get going. So you could theoretically set the Zappi to start when there is 700W excess and it will take the rest from the grid. If your car is home during the day and you have a south facing roof there is a good chance you charge your car with the Zappi at least four months of the year.

    That's no better than charging on night rate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭garo


    graememk wrote: »
    That's no better than charging on night rate!
    Agreed at 700W but if you set that as the threshold there will be times when you are producing more excess and that's going into the car. So overall you come out ahead. You can also set the threshold to 800W or 900W or whatever. With a 2.5kW south facing system you'd be producing close to 2kW on a sunny day and you are likely to have a large excess a lot of the time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,548 ✭✭✭championc


    garo wrote: »
    Agreed at 700W but if you set that as the threshold there will be times when you are producing more excess and that's going into the car. So overall you come out ahead. You can also set the threshold to 800W or 900W or whatever. With a 2.5kW south facing system you'd be producing close to 2kW on a sunny day and you are likely to have a large excess a lot of the time.

    Let's be real here - you will only get 2kW for between an hour or so either side of solar noon, and that's on days with perfect sunshine. And to think of only getting 1.4kW into the car in a whole hour sounds pretty pointless when you can charge the same amount in quarter the time at night. So overall, if you have a 2+kW system, you might be better connecting the car to your granny charger, at the slowest rate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭garo


    championc wrote: »
    Let's be real here - you will only get 2kW for between an hour or so either side of solar noon, and that's on days with perfect sunshine. And to think of only getting 1.4kW into the car in a whole hour sounds pretty pointless when you can charge the same amount in quarter the time at night. So overall, if you have a 2+kW system, you might be better connecting the car to your granny charger, at the slowest rate.


    Not really. For a due south 35 degree tilt a 2.5kW system would give you >2kW for 4 hours from mid April to late August assuming full sunshine. The advantage of the Zappi is it will stop automatically when you turn on the oven or put on the kettle and restart again.



    Whether it makes financial sense depends on whether the person already has an EV charger, how much it will cost to get a Zappi what their base load is and how often the car is at home during the day. And of course how much the grid export payback rate is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Well I'm a C1 looking to get into B category, so happy there

    My original 2.1kw system brought the house from C1 to B3 (and I changed all the lights / bulbs to LED from the previous owners almost total reliance on incandescent!) so you should be good. I'm half tempted to get another BER done now with the 6.1kw system to see if I'd get to B2 :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1



    I see the zappi has a 1.4kw activation - that's higher than I expected, feels like a 2.5kw system might be too small to effectively use that? Anyone with a small system is a zappi charger effectively? Home all day and will be in future too.

    ..and just to let you know, that 1.4kW is an EV protocol, nothing to do with Zappi, for all EV's out there the minimum charge they will take is 1.4kW

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,377 ✭✭✭KCross


    slave1 wrote: »
    ..and just to let you know, that 1.4kW is an EV protocol, nothing to do with Zappi, for all EV's out there the minimum charge they will take is 1.4kW

    Not totally true... It takes ~1.4kW to start the session but many EV's will go much lower than that before the session stops.. as low as 500W.

    So, once the session starts at 1.4kW and then if a cloud rolls over and you have say, only 800W of excess, some cars will continue to charge at that 800W. The Zappi is quite happy to let the charge session continue in that case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    slave1 wrote: »
    Throw up whatever you want, I’ve filled both aspects of my semi roof with 36m2 of panels...

    There was (and still could be) limitations under planning regulations about the amount of roof space covered by solar panels.

    Did you ever look into what your local authority had in their regs?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Local Authority regs have never been updated from the case where Limerick Co Council lost against a lady who plastered her roof and (after appeal) won her case.
    No Council will chase after that case.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK


    deravarra wrote: »
    There was (and still could be) limitations under planning regulations about the amount of roof space covered by solar panels.

    Did you ever look into what your local authority had in their regs?

    Well that's me fuxked with 20 panels, to be fare one next door neighbor has doubled the size of their house and the other neighbor is building a 7ft swimming pool with feck all planning permission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Can anyone suggest a decent company that does a full solar pv install that others have used around here?
    Looking for a 4kwh system with maybe a battery.
    PM me the details :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,193 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    SD_DRACULA wrote: »
    Anyone used...

    There's a ban on naming suppliers in the thread, so you'll probably get edited.


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