What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

Strazdas · 25-03-2021 06:14PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So updated figures from the EU meeting today.
In total, 77mil doses exported from the EU worldwide.
A total of 21mil to the UK.
Add the 5mil from SII, means of the ~31mil doses given in the UK, 5mil were produced within the UK.
Seems the UK AZ plant will be struggling to fill that 100mil order.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1375104943703478272

Crazy stuff. By my calculations, AZ UK have produced less than 400k doses a week in 2021 for a market of 65m people.

Call me Al · 25-03-2021 06:17PM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Doubt it. When AstraZeneca announced 79% efficacy in the US trials it was the number one read story on BBC news website and plastered all over their media. When the Americans rebuked this figure it didn't feature in the top 10 stories on the BBC website and hardly got covered anywhere if at all.

Not a dickybird about it.
Instead Katya is all about how EU members don't want a vaccine blockade.
What an absolute farce of a media service from their national broadcaster. This is a huge issue for them.

Call me Al · 25-03-2021 06:22PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Crazy stuff. By my calculations, AZ UK have produced less than 400k doses a week in 2021 for a market of 65m people.

Maybe they've stockpiled in the UK sites?

murphaph · 25-03-2021 06:22PM

Aegir wrote: »

This thread has gone from being a reasonable discussion about Astra Zeneca to yet another “rant about da Brits” thread.

Sad, but predictable I guess

Let's call a spade a spade. The EU has provided the Lion's share of British vaccinations and the Brits have been lording it over the EU.

Strazdas · 25-03-2021 06:28PM

Call me Al wrote: »

Maybe they've stockpiled in the UK sites?

It's a woeful amount of deliveries. They've clearly underperformed in producing vaccines even for the UK, never mind the EU.

25-03-2021 06:36PM

murphaph wrote: »

Let's call a spade a spade. The EU has provided the Lion's share of British vaccinations and the Brits have been lording it over the EU.

The EU have provided **** all.

Strazdas · 25-03-2021 06:38PM

Aegir wrote: »

The EU have provided **** all.

By that reckoning, there has been no "British vaccine success" and Johnson and the Tories can take no credit whatsoever for anything that has happened in GB this year. It's been all down to the efforts of various private pharma companies, correct?

opinionated3 · 25-03-2021 06:39PM

I believe when this is all over and done with, there will be a decent appetite within the EU to make sure the UK "suffers" in any post Brexit relationship. Boris greed won't be forgotten.....

CIARAN_BOYLE · 25-03-2021 06:39PM

Aegir wrote: »

The EU have provided **** all.

21 million vaccines imported to the UK from the EU.

25-03-2021 06:39PM

Aegir wrote: »

This thread has gone from being a reasonable discussion about Astra Zeneca to yet another “rant about da Brits” thread.

Sad, but predictable I guess

This is just gaslighting. It's perfectly fair to call out AZ for their incompetence and the British media for their dishonest and irresponsible reporting.

odyssey06 · 25-03-2021 06:41PM

Strazdas wrote: »

By that reckoning, there has been no "British vaccine success" and Johnson and the Tories can take no credit whatsoever for anything that has happened in GB this year. It's been all down to the efforts of various private pharma companies, correct?

I dont know about British vaccine success but I know who I would want in contract negotiations and jurisdiction (as a purchaser).

josip · 25-03-2021 06:44PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

This is just gaslighting. It's perfectly fair to call out AZ for their incompetence and the British media for their dishonest and irresponsible reporting.

AZ is simply a microcosm of the overall Brexit debacle.
It was being touted as an example of all the benefits of Brexit, but when you lift the covers it's just Tory misinformation concealing a total embarrassment.

Bit cynical · 25-03-2021 06:45PM

murphaph wrote: »

Let's call a spade a spade. The EU has provided the Lion's share of British vaccinations and the Brits have been lording it over the EU.

However for the EU to have supplied vaccines to the UK or elsewhere they would have to at some point have owned those vaccines. Vaccines supplied by AZ or other companies to the UK were never owned by the EU.

Shelga · 25-03-2021 06:48PM

Sorry, thought I saw a post saying that ALL vaccines made in AZ plants in EU have been sent to UK, is this true?? Can't find the post now.

Why did AZ commit to two totally contradictory contracts with UK and EU?? :mad:

Bit cynical · 25-03-2021 06:51PM

Strazdas wrote: »

By that reckoning, there has been no "British vaccine success" and Johnson and the Tories can take no credit whatsoever for anything that has happened in GB this year. It's been all down to the efforts of various private pharma companies, correct?

In fairness, whether it is Boris or Pharma companies or whatever, they seem to have been far more successful in vaccinating their people than the EU, administering jabs about three times faster than us in the EU.

mick087 · 25-03-2021 06:59PM

Aegir wrote: »

This thread has gone from being a reasonable discussion about Astra Zeneca to yet another “rant about da Brits” thread.

Sad, but predictable I guess

I don't know why your bothering it was always going to end up like this.

You really have had some patience.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 25-03-2021 06:59PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

In fairness, whether it is Boris or Pharma companies or whatever, they seem to have been far more successful in vaccinating their people than the EU, administering jabs about three times faster than us in the EU.

Ironically, they are slowing down in April and the EU are speeding up substantially.

25-03-2021 06:59PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

This is just gaslighting. It's perfectly fair to call out AZ for their incompetence and the British media for their dishonest and irresponsible reporting.

There has been no dishonesty. It has never been a secret that vaccines were being imported from mainland Europe, all of Pfizer and 4m AZ.

Sky estimate that as of 7 March, 12 million Pfizer jabs had been administered, so it is likely that Pfizer have shipped 17m to the UK by now. Less than half the amount the government purchased.

sameoldname · 25-03-2021 07:04PM

Aegir wrote: »

There has been no dishonesty. It has never been a secret that vaccines were being imported from mainland Europe, all of Pfizer and 4m AZ.

Sky estimate that as of 7 March, 12 million Pfizer jabs had been administered, so it is likely that Pfizer have shipped 17m to the UK by now. Less than half the amount the government purchased.

Weren't you on here a while ago telling us that the reason the UK had so many vaccines was because they worked with AZ to make sure that their UK factories were able to supply the country independently? Or was that just made up?

robinph · 25-03-2021 07:09PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So updated figures from the EU meeting today.
In total, 77mil doses exported from the EU worldwide.
A total of 21mil to the UK.
Add the 5mil from SII, means of the ~31mil doses given in the UK, 5mil were produced within the UK.
Seems the UK AZ plant will be struggling to fill that 100mil order.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1375104943703478272

So with 32 million vaccines put in arms so far. Another half a million being done per day, and the supply is expected to remain stable until some point in April before it becomes "lumpier", even if we just put that as from the first full week of April they will have put 40 million jabs in arms which must already be delivered so came from somewhere. Which would make closer to 15 million in arms or sat in fridges waiting for arms which were produced in the UK.

There has been no murmurings about delays to second vaccines though, which will still mostly be Pfizer ones until the middle of April then more Astra Zeneca. Not sure if they have been stockpiling Pfizer, but out of the 40 million order there can't be many more first doses left to give.

Still loads of unknowns in the calculations to be able to say how many the UK has produced themselves.

Tyrone212 · 25-03-2021 07:13PM

@Robinph. I believe supply will turn "lumpy" by the 29th March. That's what was initially reported the other week anyway.

Bit cynical · 25-03-2021 07:15PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Ironically, they are slowing down in April and the EU are speeding up substantially.

However to date our performance has been lacklustre compared to the UK where it counts: getting jabs in arms. I hope you are correct that there is some improvement and the EU don't mess it up.

nsnoefc1878 · 25-03-2021 07:17PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/four-in-five-adults-vaccinated-by-end-of-june-if-pharma-firms-deliver-donnelly-1.4519976

I really hope the vaccines are delivered if only to catch this utter spoofer out.

Tippbhoy1 · 25-03-2021 07:18PM

Strazdas wrote: »

By that reckoning, there has been no "British vaccine success" and Johnson and the Tories can take no credit whatsoever for anything that has happened in GB this year. It's been all down to the efforts of various private pharma companies, correct?

After the revelations today, maybe everyone should go easy on a few lads right now.

nsnoefc1878 · 25-03-2021 07:19PM

CPL are looking after the hiring of vaccinators and have extended the deadline for hiring them 3 times now, which surely indicates they are struggling to get the numbers, which will no doubt negatively affect the roll out.

nsnoefc1878 · 25-03-2021 07:20PM

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

After the revelations today, maybe everyone should go easy on a few lads right now.

What revelations are they?

Call me Al · 25-03-2021 07:23PM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

@Robinph. I believe supply will turn "lumpy" by the 29th March. That's what was initially reported the other week anyway.

But that's because of supplies coming from India.
Nothing at all to do with EU manufactured stock.
No sirree..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-56438629

Makes you wonder why an EU "blockade" is causing them any concerns at all.

25-03-2021 07:51PM

nsnoefc1878 wrote: »

What revelations are they?

That the reason the EU’s vaccine rollout has been so glacial is because Boris Johnson stole all the vaccines apparently.

BonnieSituation · 25-03-2021 07:51PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

However to date our performance has been lacklustre compared to the UK where it counts: getting jabs in arms. I hope you are correct that there is some improvement and the EU don't mess it up.

How?

We can only vaccinate with what we got.

As my FIL's brother/Uncle-in-Law, who is a GP, said at the weekend, "Every autumn and winter, GPs and Pharmacists vaccinate 1.2m people with no major interventions; the issue is supply."

dogbert27 · 25-03-2021 07:58PM

Aegir wrote: »

The EU have provided **** all.

The UK has provided xxxx all.

A private company called Astra Zeneca who promised to provide fxxking everything to everyone is not providing fxxking everything and is laughing in the background while it's customers attack each over for the scraps it is providing.

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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