Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

fin12 · 24-03-2021 04:19PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

The ones who enjoy the misery have shown themselves in the last page of replies, giving themselves migraines with the mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories about how nphet are conspiring to lock us down.

There is no conspiracy, we are locked down and have been for months.

FintanMcluskey · 24-03-2021 04:25PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

The ones who enjoy the misery have shown themselves in the last page of replies, giving themselves migraines with the mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories about how nphet are conspiring to lock us down.

Eh, we are one of the globes most suppressed nations for 12 months now.

In a plethora of different metrics.

There’s no conspiracy, we are locked down

And plan to remain so for many months

gozunda · 24-03-2021 04:31PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

You need to get a test or have suspected Covid to get the enhanced Covid sick pay. Not just clowns in your fantasy world.

Also heard test centres have been busy with some centres having a large queue of people in cars. This might take some of those off those queues

According to this article they are being created to target areas where positive cases are particularly high.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0324/1205829-coronavirus-ireland/

Hellrazer · 24-03-2021 04:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Really?

Seriously lad you are better than that, I know you only came out with that soundbite to garner likes.

But come on.

I couldnt care one iota about "likes" - Id prefer if it was turned off on the site completely.

Its blatantly obvious that Nphet have put this meeting off because of a tiny spike in numbers and how to deal with it as in what restrictions to increase or remove (if any)

Honestly I dont think there will be any change come the 5th April if the government dont put nphet back in their box.

While you might think they are doing a great job I dont and Im as entitled to my opinion as you are and I think they are absolutely useless at what they do.

24-03-2021 04:33PM

Akesh wrote: »

As opposed to the hysterical curtain twitchers who are being selfish in wanting to lock everyone up because they believe this is for the greater good?

What!

Boggles · 24-03-2021 04:34PM

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

https://youtu.be/K3odScka55A

Great video, now can someone show NPHET ...

Why would NPHET need to watch a simple video explaining vaccine trials?

You do know NPHET contains actual immunologists don't you?

cnocbui · 24-03-2021 04:39PM

In the case of SARS-CoV-2, however, recent developments suggest that we may never achieve herd immunity. Even the U.S., which leads most other countries in vaccinations and already had large outbreaks, won’t get there. That’s the upshot of an analysis by Christopher Murray at the University of Washington and Peter Piot at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

The main reason is the ongoing emergence of new variants that behave almost like new viruses. A clinical vaccine trial in South Africa showed that people in the placebo group who had previously been infected with one strain had no immunity against its mutated descendant and became reinfected. There are similar reports from parts of Brazil that had massive outbreaks and subsequently suffered renewed epidemics.

That leaves only vaccination as a path toward lasting herd immunity. And admittedly, some of the shots available today are still somewhat effective against some of the new variants. But over time they will become powerless against the coming mutations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-24/when-will-covid-end-we-must-start-planning-for-a-permanent-pandemic?srnd=premium-europe

Can we all just give up this charade and get on with our lives now?

A pathogen’s evolution is neither surprising nor automatically worrisome. One frequent pattern is that bugs over time become more contagious but less virulent. After all, not killing your host too efficiently confers an advantage in natural selection. If SARS-CoV-2 goes this route, it’ll eventually become just another common cold.

But that’s not what it’s been doing recently. The variants we know of have become more infectious, but no less lethal. From an epidemiological point of view, that’s the worst news.

It's almost as if there's a hidden hand behind the scenes, tilting the scales to nullify all our efforts, versus just letting nature do it's thing.

Let the pandemic take it's natural course and it evolves to become less virulent - fight and resist it and it fights back, becoming more virulent so as to end up with the same final outcome.

24-03-2021 04:59PM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-24/when-will-covid-end-we-must-start-planning-for-a-permanent-pandemic?srnd=premium-europe

Can we all just give up this charade and get on with our lives now?

It's almost as if there's a hidden hand behind the scenes, tilting the scales to nullify all our efforts, versus just letting nature do it's thing.

Let the pandemic take it's natural course and it evolves to become less virulent - fight and resist it and it fights back, becoming more virulent so as to end up with the same final outcome.

Why?

AlekSmart · 24-03-2021 05:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

So basically if we had just ignored the pandemic the health service and economy would have been grand?

That would quite an interesting exercise to model,which,I suspect will actually occur when the current panic ebbs away.

cnocbui · 24-03-2021 05:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why?

Because the universe is perverse.

Pitch n Putt · 24-03-2021 05:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would just be so much better if we ignored it.

Christ

Ignored was pretty much what happened in January when close contacts were even refused a test.

You can’t pick and choose who and when you test them and expect to have accurate consistent results.

What we have here is case numbers up testing down.

Case numbers down testing up.

A load of nonsense really.

You either test all the people all the time or else you’re at nothing.

A la Carte covid testing...... - only in Ireland.

AlekSmart · 24-03-2021 05:07PM

JMNolan wrote: »

Our ex-taniste Michael McDowell. He had an article in the irish times today on the topic https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/michael-mcdowell-can-someone-please-tell-me-what-the-covid-plan-is-1.4518172

Since we conveniently abolished the Dáil Covid committee chaired by Independent TD Michael McNamara there is little or no chance of getting real answers to any of the foregoing questions

Good point there Mr McD.......Perhaps somebody can refresh my memory as to why exactly was this committee abolished,and at who's instigation ?

Boggles · 24-03-2021 05:10PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

While you might think they are doing a great job I dont and Im as entitled to my opinion as you are and I think they are absolutely useless at what they do.

Very few public health teams or governments have done what can be described as a "great job".

Similarly very few have been "absolutely useless".

Ireland has been neither.

But again you are very much entitled to your opinion.

MOH · 24-03-2021 05:12PM

fin12 wrote: »

Meeting postponed , they are well able to tell us ahead of time that no restrictions are changing and extended it but when they have to lift anything all this last minute sh*t.

Funny, in late October when some NPHET members wanted to wait a week to give level 3 time to take effect they were overruled and NPHET insisted on going to level 5 despite it not being necessary.
Yet when it comes to lifting restrictions they're quite happy to wait a week to find an excuse not to.

AlekSmart · 24-03-2021 05:12PM

fin12 wrote: »

I know I couldn’t believe so u don’t have to have any symptom and just walk in sure every hypochondriac in the country will be in and out of the place like a revolving door

Hypochondria is only a part of it.

Currently,I would not be surprised if stuff like this was playing a role in some peoples Lockdown Decision Making processes.....:(

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/the-strange-cases-of-healthy-people-who-want-to-be-disabled-1.3757705

24-03-2021 05:13PM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Ignored was pretty much what happened in January when close contacts were even refused a test.

You can’t pick and choose who and when you test them and expect to have accurate consistent results.

What we have here is case numbers up testing down.

Case numbers down testing up.

A load of nonsense really.

You either test all the people or the time or else you’re at nothing.

A la Carte covid testing...... - only in Ireland.

You do know that when you have 6000+ cases per day testing capacity becomes an issue.

And as someone else posted - even if the cases go up, positive rate goes down. And less people go on to unwittingly infect potentially vulnerable people, more outbreaks are contained and less people end up in hospital or dead.

If as a result of this move we end up with 50% more cases, which is highly unlikely as positive rate will be less than 1%, and end up with hospital rate continuing to fall, that is a good thing. Only the perverse mind of the restrictions thread would see it any other way

TonyMaloney · 24-03-2021 05:18PM

I can't get my head around some people not understanding that finding and isolating cases helps reduce transmission, and ergo helps reduce the need for restrictions.

How, after all this time, is this still an alien concept to you?

Boggles · 24-03-2021 05:19PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Hypochondria is only a part of it.

Currently,I would not be surprised if stuff like this was playing a role in some peoples Lockdown Decision Making processes.....:(

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/the-strange-cases-of-healthy-people-who-want-to-be-disabled-1.3757705

You think NPHET or the government are suffering from Body Integrity Identity Disorder?

You are clearly joking right?

That's just sick.

24-03-2021 05:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

You think NPHET or the government are suffering from Body Integrity Identity Disorder?

You are clearly joking right?

That's just sick.

To be honest, at this stage you have the few with genuine concerns and even some well thought out positions, and then some who must be on the wind up

AlekSmart · 24-03-2021 05:29PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I couldnt care one iota about "likes" - Id prefer if it was turned off on the site completely.

Its blatantly obvious that Nphet have put this meeting off because of a tiny spike in numbers and how to deal with it as in what restrictions to increase or remove (if any)

Honestly I dont think there will be any change come the 5th April if the government dont put nphet back in their box.

While you might think they are doing a great job I dont and Im as entitled to my opinion as you are and I think they are absolutely useless at what they do.

Are there any figures available for the Cost Breakdown of NPHET ?

Lets put aside,for a moment,the great Public Servant bit etc,at some point I presume the Comptroller & Auditor General will be provided with the Full accounts of NPHET as an entity ?

Equally,are the members of NPHET covered by any Ethics in Public Office style rules,particularly in relation to payments from,or investments in Pharmacutical or associated companies ?

At some point there WILL be a reckoning,however I would not be at all surprised if NPHET and it's associates suddenly found themselves covered by The Official Secrets Act.

The longer the current situation can be stretched out,the more fortunes can be made.

Fear is the Key.

MOH · 24-03-2021 05:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

Dear Jesus, 12 months in.

Glynn will have to get the sock puppets out at the next briefing.

I thought they'd all be busy on social media

SAMTALK · 24-03-2021 05:31PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I can't get my head around some people not understanding that finding and isolating cases helps reduce transmission, and ergo helps reduce the need for restrictions.

How, after all this time, is this still an alien concept to you?

Because it's doesnt fit with the outrage towards the government and NPHET and blaming them for everything.

If it involves having to make a sacrifice well then some people aren't having any of that !

ElTel · 24-03-2021 05:32PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Testing of people without needing referrals will lead to better monitoring of the spread of the virus.

It's also likely that having centres like this will reduce the percentage of positive tests, which will give ammunition to anyone in government pushing for more reopening.

This is a good thing no matter what side of the debate you fall on.

It's a great idea imo.
They are "walk in" right? Hopefully they have or could add a questionnaire asking if people are working/in education/using public transport/living conditions etc

I'm pessimistic about the uptake but hopefully there's a push locally to encourage people.

As you say it will probably skew positivity down but I'd like to think nphet will give us the results in a week or so and any insights they glean.

Boggles · 24-03-2021 05:33PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Are there any figures available for the Cost Breakdown of NPHET ?

Lets put aside,for a moment,the great Public Servant bit etc,at some point I presume the Comptroller & Auditor General will be provided with the Full accounts of NPHET as an entity ?

Equally,are the members of NPHET covered by any Ethics in Public Office style rules,particularly in relation to payments from,or investments in Pharmacutical or associated companies ?

At some point there WILL be a reckoning,however I would not be at all surprised if NPHET and it's associates suddenly found themselves covered by The Official Secrets Act.

The longer the current situation can be stretched out,the more fortunes can be made.

Fear is the Key.

Deleted User wrote: »

To be honest, at this stage you have the few with genuine concerns and even some well thought out positions, and then some who must be on the wind up

And then one comes along and all you can say is Wow.