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Allen v Farrow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I was watched this very disturbing behavior


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I’m holding out for the sequel ‘Allen vs Predator’.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    It’s a good documentary. There’s lots of home footage where you can see how intense he is with Dylan and how infatuated he was with her when she was a child. He is an absolute creep


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Haven't seen this. All sorts of allegations flying around in the Farrow / Allen saga. At the very least, Allen's relationship with the adopted daughter crossed serious boundaries - and calling it weird would be kind.

    With that being said, it's worth reading is Moses Farrow's blog who takes a very different view, and he accuses Mia of being physically and emotionally abusive towards some of the kids. Two of them died of suicide (according to Moses) and one of them from Aids.

    A toxic family unit whichever way you cut it.

    http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    It's a very poor, one-sided, lazy, propaganda 'documentary' posing as investigative journalism.

    For starters, it doesn't involve Woody, Soon Yi or Moses, the latter who is adamant that his mother Mia is a raging nut.

    Secondly, the documentary uses National Enquirer-esque gutter reporting, rehashing old interviews, and ignoring that two separate state investigations found that Woody Allen was innocent of all accusations.

    The documentary also manipulated interviews to suit their case, as Samantha Jane Geimer revealed on Twitter and she is now suing the makers for doing so.

    No mention either of the fact that the Farrows are a supremely damaged family, full of incest, sex crimes and suicides. A quick google search will show you how dark they are.


    Shockingly made documentary that highlights the power of narrative in an age where people will swallow pretty much anything if they see or hear it.

    Have a read of this if you truly want educating on the matter: https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2019/04/08/the-truth-about-woody-allen-part-i/

    In addition, Si Yoo was never WA's daughter in law. It's another narrative pushed that's fake. She never lived with him, barely spoke until she was of age and a very important detail is this, the fact that they are still together to this day speaks volumes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    The question shouldn't be is he the one that got away.

    Ask yourself how many people have been prosecuted against how many have been accused or suspected.

    Harvey Weinstein is the highest profile case but who else? I don't know and I wouldn;t like to hazard any guesses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    It's a very poor, one-sided, lazy, propaganda 'documentary' posing as investigative journalism.

    For starters, it doesn't involve Woody, Soon Yi or Moses, the latter who is adamant that his mother Mia is a raging nut.

    Secondly, the documentary uses National Enquirer-esque gutter reporting, rehashing old interviews, and ignoring that two separate state investigations found that Woody Allen was innocent of all accusations.

    The documentary also manipulated interviews to suit their case, as Samantha Jane Geimer revealed on Twitter and she is now suing the makers for doing so.

    No mention either of the fact that the Farrows are a supremely damaged family, full of incest, sex crimes and suicides. A quick google search will show you how dark they are.


    Shockingly made documentary that highlights the power of narrative in an age where people will swallow pretty much anything if they see or hear it.

    Have a read of this if you truly want educating on the matter: https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2019/04/08/the-truth-about-woody-allen-part-i/

    In addition, Si Yoo was never WA's daughter in law. It's another narrative pushed that's fake. She never lived with him, barely spoke until she was of age and a very important detail is this, the fact that they are still together to this day speaks volumes.

    He was receiving therapy for an inappropriately intense fixation of Dylan. She is also on camera as a child detailing where he touched her. Pretty bizarre how you can dismiss those things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    He was receiving therapy for an inappropriately intense fixation of Dylan. She is also on camera as a child detailing where he touched her. Pretty bizarre how you can dismiss those things.

    Ever heard of coaching?

    Feel free to dispute the other points that clearly show the documentary is a nonsense while you're at it.

    Bit weird you'd take the word of a deranged woman and a shockingly one-sided documentary full of holes over 2 separate state investigations by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    Ever heard of coaching?

    Feel free to dispute the other points that clearly show the documentary is a nonsense while you're at it.

    Bit weird you'd take the word of a deranged woman and a shockingly one-sided documentary full of holes over 2 separate state investigations by the way.

    I’m taking the word of a child who confessed on camera that she was sexually abused by Woody, the man who had to enter therapy for an intense fixation on her when she was little more than a baby, the man who cheated on Mia with the daughter she raised since a child, who had a string of movies where he played a man who openly groomed young women.
    Dylan has never strayed from her allegations and the fact you think she was “coached” over the very obvious fact that he is a creepy old paedo says more about you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    I’m taking the word of a child who confessed on camera that she was sexually abused by Woody, the man who had to enter therapy for an intense fixation on her when she was little more than a baby, the man who cheated on Mia with the daughter she raised since a child, who had a string of movies where he played a man who openly groomed young women.
    Dylan has never strayed from her allegations and the fact you think she was “coached” over the very obvious fact that he is a creepy old paedo says more about you.

    I'll take the word of two separate state investigations that found that Woody Allen did not sexually abuse Dylan Farrow. You can have a HBO documentary that went so deep that it has to use Carly Simon for interviews.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭blue note


    I haven't seen the documentary, but I hear it's very one sided. And isn't it from the makers of that college campus documentary a few years back that had credibility problems as well? I think people involved were editing wikipedia to support their claims. And I hear with this they basically make no effort to show why the claims against him may not be true. So if the TV is the court of public opinion, it's only the prosecution side we're being show. Whereas if they'd shown why the claims may not be true people would be in a better position to condemn him in their own minds or not.

    However, I have never been able to watch Woody Allen films without thinking of his relationship with his ex partners adopted daughter. It's not necessarily technically illegal, but it just screams all kinds of wrong. His films are fantastic. But it's always in my mind that he married his ex partner's adopted daughter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,316 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I’m taking the word of a child who confessed on camera that she was sexually abused by Woody, the man who had to enter therapy for an intense fixation on her when she was little more than a baby, the man who cheated on Mia with the daughter she raised since a child, who had a string of movies where he played a man who openly groomed young women.
    Dylan has never strayed from her allegations and the fact you think she was “coached” over the very obvious fact that he is a creepy old paedo says more about you.

    is it not the case that some of the details that dylan remembers could never have happened? Something about a train set in the attic that never existed. Mia always struck me as very bitter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,304 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Is Woody Allen the one that got away, the slippery Eel who wiggled free from the MEtoo net.??


    He is, among a few others who are considered too valuable to the industry.

    Did anyone watch Allen v Farrow on sky documentaries ?
    Pretty damming stuff.


    I started watching it, got about 20 minutes in before I decided it was rehashing the same old shìte that had been played out in the media as Allen v. Farrow 20 years ago. Celebrities occupy a different stratosphere to ordinary people in society, they’re akin to Royalty, which is one of the reasons why Prince Andrew has never had to break a sweat either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    i finished it the other night, and to honest with you i don't know what to make of it...i just don't know who to believe? at the end of the day it one person's word against another - a child and a adult man

    there's definitely something off about the whole family, it wasn't your conventional family household, looking at the camcorder footage it seemed a very much a bohemian/hippy upbringing

    it all boils down to what happened that day in the attic room? was Allen just resting his head on Dylan's lap showing affection or was there something more sinister in it?

    btw - One thing i'd like to know did Allen start his relationship with Soon Yi before or after the assault allegations surfaced??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    fryup wrote: »
    i finished it the other night, and to honest with you i don't know what to make of it...i just don't know who to believe? at the end of the day it one person's word against another - a child and a adult man

    there's definitely something off about the whole family, it wasn't your conventional family household, looking at the camcorder footage it seemed a very much bohemian/hippy upbringing

    it all boils down to what happened that day in the attic room? was Allen just resting his head on Dylan's lap showing affection or was there something more sinister in it?

    btw - One thing i'd like to know did Allen start his relationship with Soon Yi before or after the assault allegations surfaced??

    Before. It's when she found out that a scorned Mia fabricated the story to try and ruin his life, per the result of two state investigations that lasted months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,724 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    I remember when the allegations around Allen resurfaced a few years back. At the time I took to reading every article about it as they appeared and any time I read one that said he was guilty I would come away believing he was. The reverse was also true. I basically came to the conclusion that it's impossible to know what happened. It strikes me as worrying how certain people can be that it did or didn't happen and how they have to ignore a lot of countervailing evidence to be so sure.

    To balance the OP here is an article from The Guardian criticising the documentary.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/03/allen-v-farrow-woody-allen-mia-farrow-documentary-is-pure-pr-why-else-would-it-omit-so-much

    It's fine to believe one way or the other but don't just conveniently ignore facts that suit that belief.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    Before. It's when she found out that a scorned Mia fabricated the story to try and ruin his life, per the result of two state investigations that lasted months.

    c'mon now we don't know that, the investigations were inconclusive...mainly because the chief prosecutor didn't want to traumatise Dylan anymore by putting her on the stand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    fryup wrote: »
    c'mon now we don't know that, the investigations were inconclusive...mainly because the chief prosecutor didn't want to traumatise Dylan anymore by putting her on the stand

    Both investigations concluded that Dylan was not abused by Allen and the charges were dismissed. This is public record.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Friends with Jeffrey Epstein... Nuf said


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    Both investigations concluded that Dylan was not abused by Allen and the charges were dismissed. This is public record.

    yes mainly because as i stated - Dylan didn't testify

    btw - i'm on the fence about this


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    I'll take the word of two separate state investigations that found that Woody Allen did not sexually abuse Dylan Farrow. You can have a HBO documentary that went so deep that it has to use Carly Simon for interviews.

    Ah sure god love him he was just an ordinary misunderstood bloke who had an inappropriate fixation on his toddler daughter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    fryup wrote: »
    yes mainly because as i stated - Dylan didn't testify

    btw - i'm on the fence about this

    I appreciate you're on the fence, but this is a very big misconception Allen haters love to pound home.

    The New York/Yale investigation reported that they found nothing. This leads to the prosecutor, Frank Maco, issuing a statement saying that he feels there is “probable cause” to charge Woody, but won't do it for the sake of Dylan's mental health.

    For a prosecutor to say they have probably cause and not prosecute when it comes to molestation is pretty much unheard of, it's a face saving measure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    but not when it comes to a child's mental well being, which is perfectly understandable...what age was she then seven?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    fryup wrote: »
    but not when it comes to a child's mental well being, which is perfectly understandable...what age was she then seven?

    It's especially unheard of when it comes to child abuse. Peers have said that on child molestation that if there is 'probable cause' it's an obligation to go through with it for prosecutors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,321 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    The relationship with Mia daughter is strange, he was a father figure to allot of the kids , even if he said he wasn't. He was on holiday with then , over at the house , eats breakfast with them.
    And then he goes off with one of Mia daughters.
    He's 85 now , nothing will happen , lets just hope the daughter comes out with the true story after he dies, weither it be good or bad.
    I don't have kids but if I did I wouldn't let him near any of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    Alos worth noting that the statute of limitations to prosecute this crime in criminal court was 10 years. So to say there is probable cause and not follow up when Dylan was 17 is damning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭blue note


    fryup wrote: »
    but not when it comes to a child's mental well being, which is perfectly understandable...what age was she then seven?

    I don't know if it is. Would a prosecutor really choose not to prosecute a man they believe to be guilty of this when he is the guardian of other kids? Maybe they'll just get him next time if that child isn't too traumatised?

    I don't know what if anything happened. But I do think that sounds a bit unrealistic. Whereas the kid not being a reliable witness as has been alleged sounds a bit more plausible.


  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    I appreciate you're on the fence, but this is a very big misconception Allen haters love to pound home.

    The New York/Yale investigation reported that they found nothing. This leads to the prosecutor, Frank Maco, issuing a statement saying that he feels there is “probable cause” to charge Woody, but won't do it for the sake of Dylan's mental health.

    For a prosecutor to say they have probably cause and not prosecute when it comes to molestation is pretty much unheard of, it's a face saving measure.

    So the prosecutor said there was probable cause, but you took that to mean he was innocent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    bubblypop wrote: »
    So the prosecutor said there was probable cause, but you took that to mean he was innocent?

    Erm no. Read all the replies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    If Dylan truly believes she was molested she could also still take Woody Allen to a civil court and take him for everything he has. Wonder why she hasn't done that?


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