United Ireland....... Persuade the unionists.....

Nqp15hhu · 22-03-2021 08:12PM

StevenToast wrote: »

A confederate united Ireland...leave the 6 counties in the commonwealth...its a token thing...

Once elizabeth windsor dies and charles takes over...the monarchy will lose its "appeal"...

Give unionists a few token gestures and that will quieten them after a few years...

So you want to quiet Unionists like myself for a few years implying that you will later throw us under the bus? No thanks.

A United Ireland is supposed to be for all.

Speedline · 22-03-2021 08:12PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I don’t care what people in GB think. And you will have all of those costs when you supposedly take us on.

Just out of interest, if NI went out on their own, how would they replace the subsidy from the UK?

Mules · 22-03-2021 08:13PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

So you want to quiet Unionists like myself for a few years implying that you will later throw us under the bus? No thanks.

A United Ireland is supposed to be for all.

What would you suggest could be done to make a United Ireland a place for all?

Nqp15hhu · 22-03-2021 08:17PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They only refer to themselves as Irish in a geographical sense , certainly not or never political sense

My GG Uncle put down Scottish on the American census so that’s not even true either.

Nqp15hhu · 22-03-2021 08:18PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

im not in favour of pandering to unionists at all and i take the view that nothing has ever been expected of unionism , from the media down here most of all , unionism has never been once asked to atone for their behaviour down the years

i dont view joining the commonwealth as pandering but i dont believe we need more than a proper majority to proceed either , this " we must wait until unionists are ready " could mean anything and is spectacularly vague

So why should nationalists be pandered to in the form of the GFA?

Fake Scores · 22-03-2021 08:20PM

We need to get a line of PSNI and aromored Jeeps into this thread to keep the two sides apart.

Mules · 22-03-2021 08:20PM

Fake Scores wrote: »

We need to get a line of PSNI and aromored Jeeps into this thread to keep the two sides apart.

VinLieger · 22-03-2021 08:43PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I don’t think people in the south understand Northern Ireland. Reading the other thread about visiting they are so ignorant and lacking in knowledge. Just the same as people in England.

I'd absolutely agree there. Many are stuck on the idea that we are all "Irish" therefore we are all the same but cultures north and south of the border are markedly different because whether people like or not we are 2 different countries and growing up in the north is a very different experience to growing up in the south.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-03-2021 08:44PM

Edgware wrote: »

Why should we subsidise Winston and Norman to buy houses in Glasgow?

50K isn't much. Anyone who'll leave for that little probably isn't paying their way anyway so you'd break even in a few years.

Policing and prisons aren't cheap and we don't really have an army to act as pressure relief. And the British Army is reducing headcount by 10,000 so that avenue is gone too.

Make it a condition of the 50K that they renounce any claim to Ireland , Irishness and they have to pass the gammon test and sing ALL the verses to God Save the Queen while unicycling backwards.

Dr. Bre · 22-03-2021 08:46PM

Will we have to change our national anthem to Ireland’s call if we United Ireland ?

Speedline · 22-03-2021 08:52PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Will we have to change our national anthem to Ireland’s call if we United Ireland ?

If that's what it takes.

Rikand · 22-03-2021 09:01PM

Speedline wrote: »

Just out of interest, if NI went out on their own, how would they replace the subsidy from the UK?

Join the EU

Nqp15hhu · 22-03-2021 09:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Am I right in guessing your from a so called mixed marriage but were raised catholic?

Nope

Strumms · 22-03-2021 09:12PM

Rikand wrote: »

Join the EU

Every other EU member would need to ratify them, hmm. Can’t fill in a form and send 20 quid. If there would be a less then peaceful situation, that won’t happen. Financial situation would be a concern too.

fryup · 22-03-2021 10:24PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

would the unionists have the heart to go back to war? would they have the numbers to start the UFF and UVF again?

I reckon if there was a united Ireland and they started shootings and bombings again, it would be firmly stamped out and quickly. we would have help from the UK and USA if needed, there would be absolutely no tolerance for violence and groups trying to go back to the old days.

really? well ETA in Spain lasted for nearly as long as the provo's...so who's to say some hardline terror loyalist separatist group won't start up a campaign down south?

for that reason alone i wouldn't hurry into a united ireland

randd1 · 22-03-2021 10:42PM

King Billy was a gay Dutchman. You follow a European homosexual.

You were born on the island of Ireland. Your most recent ancestors were born and bred in Ireland.

There is not a thing British about you.

Join modern reality with us.

Stovepipe · 22-03-2021 10:45PM

let's take the Bible literally brethren ...we already have them here.They're called Muslims. Apart from that, why not ask the existing Protestants in the South if they are in any hurry to reunite with their fellows from NI. You might be surprised.

El Tarangu · 22-03-2021 10:57PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

What would need to be changed ?

Well, abortion is illegal is N.I. - apparently by popular mandate; SF abstained from voting on a recent DUP motion to roll back on abortion législation in N.I. (on this, and on several other issues, SF's position in the North is at odds with their stated position in the Republic).

On this, and on any number of any other issues (tax law, social welfare, etc) what's going to happen when the two states amalgamate - is the north going to have to accept all of the laws of the south by default, or is there going to be some give-and-take? Will it be politically acceptable on this side of the island of the island for the north not to implement abortion legislation in exchange for concessions on marches or some such?

Stovepipe · 22-03-2021 10:57PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I don’t care what people in GB think. And you will have all of those costs when you supposedly take us on.

The cargo cult that is NI is largely borne by the UK taxpayer,in the form of pensions. If there was reunification, the pensions would still continue to come from the UK taxpayer until the last pensioner and his/her dependents died. So,in effect, you have to care what GB thinks,as they will be subsidising your pension. We won't. If NI joined us in the morning, the only pensions we would pay for would be those earned in the South. There is also no shortage of Unionists who are quite happy to work in the South, for Euros, or go to our colleges when it suits them. Never was. Hypocrisy is not confined to republicans and nationalists. I suspect that if NI went independent, it would soon be clamouring to join the EU............I would prefer if the Border ceased to exist, as a practical measure,as having two administrations on one island is pointless.

Zebra3 · 22-03-2021 11:02PM

Anyone who thinks there'll be a federal Ireland post-reunification is deluded.

Country is far too small to make it anyway practical.

Well off unionists won't mind too much so long as they keep their wealth. FG/UUP/DUP alliance merger would happen. It'd be them v SF as FF are already on their way to the dustbin of history.

Five Eighth · 22-03-2021 11:07PM

antgal23 wrote: »

No one in the South has a monopoly on being Irish so no need to " welcome" anyone

For a new Ireland to work it won't be a UI as one recognises today. It might be an island of 4 provinces, where some powers are devolved, of course there'll be a national parliament regional identities should be promoted.

Sorry, I'm unable to grasp your point. There is no suggestion (I hope) in my post that suggests that I view the Irish who happen to have been born in the six counties any less Irish than those of us who were born in any one of the 26 counties. I believe that there are many Irish people living in NI who aspire to a UI. It is these people to whom I was referrlng to in my post. I was merely questioning was there any sense of responsibility amongst 26 county Irish people to welcome our fellow Irish men and women into a UI? After all, they were left to their devices for many decades following partition. This question was asked in the context of posts from people born south of the border arguing that they would not vote in favour of a UI because of their concern regarding possible Unionist/Loyalist violence, the high cost of reunification, likely changes to the Irish Constitution, etc.

Renno123 · 22-03-2021 11:17PM

Strumms wrote: »

Every other EU member would need to ratify them, hmm. Can’t fill in a form and send 20 quid. If there would be a less then peaceful situation, that won’t happen. Financial situation would be a concern too.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/enda-kenny-welcomes-eu-s-united-ireland-agreement-1.3066687

This was sorted out in 2017. NI would automatically be granted EU status in a United ireland

Nqp15hhu · 22-03-2021 11:22PM

randd1 wrote: »

King Billy was a gay Dutchman. You follow a European homosexual.

You were born on the island of Ireland. Your most recent ancestors were born and bred in Ireland.

There is not a thing British about you.

Join modern reality with us.

Wise up.

Renno123 · 22-03-2021 11:22PM

randd1 wrote: »

King Billy was a gay Dutchman. You follow a European homosexual.

You were born on the island of Ireland. Your most recent ancestors were born and bred in Ireland.

There is not a thing British about you.

Join modern reality with us.

However, the GFA would disagree. People in NI are entitled to be British, Irish or both.

It is interesting that Willem Hendrick or William of orange was Dutch and shows how complicated the history of this island is.

Speedline · 22-03-2021 11:26PM

Renno123 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/enda-kenny-welcomes-eu-s-united-ireland-agreement-1.3066687

This was sorted out in 2017. NI would automatically be granted EU status in a United ireland

There are posters suggesting NI going alone. In that context I'm not sure if they would automatically be entitled to EU membership.

Rikand · 22-03-2021 11:28PM

Renno123 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/enda-kenny-welcomes-eu-s-united-ireland-agreement-1.3066687

This was sorted out in 2017. NI would automatically be granted EU status in a United ireland

He was referencing if Northern Ireland went out on their own as an independent nation away from GB and away from us.

The EU have taken on plenty of countries who were in a shoddy financial situation and had some problem children trying to stir up problems.

Nqp15hhu · 22-03-2021 11:30PM

Yes, it’s all rather daft to go out of your way to tell someone what their identity and nationality is.

I am a Northern Irish British citizen. Nobody is going to tell me otherwise, or force an alien identity upon me.

You wouldn’t see people telling Pennsylvania Dutch what their identity is.

This all stems from a hated and anti British attitude, with a desire to remove all British influence from this island. Well I’m afraid that may be your wish but there’ll always be Ulster Scots people here in NI.

Just shows you up to be ignorant.

22-03-2021 11:38PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

What is your evidence of this? I was baptised in the Catholic church, I am a Unionist as are my family members and indeed my wider family. None of us will be voting for a United Ireland. There are plenty of people out there like me and my family, so what is your confidence in this being a success?

I was raised in Northern Ireland, it's my country, it's not a prison, we are free, and we have our own devolved government and parliament. We have more control than any region in the south has. You refer to two countries on one island, you are probably akin to the typical Nationalist on here who would support the breaking up of Great Britain into separate countries; this is highly, highly hypocritical. So, no I don't agree with this comment whatsoever, being on the same landmass does not infer that you have to be one country there are plenty of successful examples of this.

I am afraid I don't get all teary eyed over Ireland, it's not my country as I just said. So this is all an alien concept to me and something you would have to comprehend, accept and understand if you're going to be forcing me into a United Ireland. Which brings me to the point of violence, you referenced Nationalist violence and their unwillingness to accept NI's existence, well what about Unionists? Do you think that Unionists don't matter and only Nationalist violence matters?

That's not a very United Ireland is it?

Quite frankly as alluded to earlier, I am tired of hearing about a United Ireland. It's a constant bombardment of nagging about it day in day out. The Republic will never be my country, it's not where I was born, I don't have roots or any connection to it. I don't care that its on the same landmass.

I find it weird how the republic wants to be independent but slides up to the EU and does everything they want. They never do anything off their own accord. I am glad we are in the U.K., a larger country and able to access vaccinations quickly and efficiently.

And it would just be a flipping over of the current divisions that we have. Perhaps we could have more links (but not forced disconnections from Great Britain) with the south, but I don't see a United Ireland solving our division. And I don't think its right that you would want to form a United Ireland and forget about the other side.

How common is Catholic unionism up there would you say?

Speedline · 22-03-2021 11:38PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

Yes, it’s all rather daft to go out of your way to tell someone what their identity and nationality is.

I am a Northern Irish British citizen. Nobody is going to tell me otherwise, or force an alien identity upon me.

You wouldn’t see people telling Pennsylvania Dutch what their identity is.

This all stems from a hated and anti British attitude, with a desire to remove all British influence from this island. Well I’m afraid that may be your wish but there’ll always be Ulster Scots people here in NI.

Just shows you up to be ignorant.

Who are you referring to as ignorant? I'm still waiting for a reply to a question I asked you earlier.

With regard to your identity, that can all be discussed in the event of negotiations for a UI. I don't think it would be a big hurdle for NI residents to retain rights to a British passport, for example. It is up to unionists to discuss this, though. What would your thoughts be in relation to holding on to your identity in a UI?

Sunny Disposition · 22-03-2021 11:42PM

Watching the Claire Byrne show, the debate is really on.
I’m a bit concerned I have to say, the Yeats line about a terrible beauty being born comes to mind.

United Ireland....... Persuade the unionists.....

Comments