Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2021 01:08AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why would he need to? I don't recall him ever being questioned about it. It was Varadkar receiving the questioning.

You forgot a piece of the story, and thats fine. There's no need to try and move the goalposts into an area they don't fit. Harris was never being questioned on this and as a result wasn't asked about the Village piece on him personally. Village Magazine released the screenshot of the Twitter DM anyway at the same time, and reported it as a factual occurance, not an allegation as you claim.

Bubba, come on! :rolleyes:

Bubbaclaus · 21-03-2021 01:15AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bubba, come on! :rolleyes:

What? It was known that Matt O'Toole asked Harris and Harris didn't give it to him from the Village Magazine article of 4 November. There is screenshots of the Twitter DMs included in that.

Harris has confirmed same in his Garda statement, as per the current article. So being consistent with the information known from 4 months ago.

Yet apparently I'm the one that needs to "come on" here. Crikey :pac:

I'll leave ye at it I'd say.

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2021 01:17AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What? It was known that Matt O'Toole asked Harris and Harris didn't give it to him from the Village Magazine article of 4 November. There is screenshots of the Twitter DMs included in that.

Harris has confirmed same in his Garda statement, as per the current article. So being consistent with the information known from 4 months ago.

Yet apparently I'm the one that needs to "come on" here. Crikey :pac:

I'll leave ye at it I'd say.

Harris was 'asked to leak the document'. We did not know this.

McMurphy · 21-03-2021 01:20AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What? It was known that Matt O'Toole asked Harris and Harris didn't give it to him from the Village Magazine article of 4 November. There is screenshots of the Twitter DMs included in that.

Harris has confirmed same in his Garda statement, as per the current article. So being consistent with the information known from 4 months ago.

Yet apparently I'm the one that needs to "come on" here. Crikey :pac:

I'll leave ye at it I'd say.

This is, the first time we have read any acknowledgement from Harris to the fact.

He refused, because he knew it wasn't something he should be doing, and yet he voted confidence in Leo for doing something he himself knew was wrong.

If you think I forgot, despite posting about it many, many times fair enough, but that's an odd hill to choose to perish on.

I'm guilty of one thing only, omitting the word "admitted" to being asked.

If however it's in the public domain already that Harris acknowledged or admitted to being asked, I'll stand corrected.

Do you have a source where he's on record of him publicly admitting to the request?

Bubbaclaus · 21-03-2021 01:22AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Harris was 'asked to leak the document'. We did not know this.

He is literally asked for the document by Matt in the Twitter DM screenshot Francie. There is zero disputing that, so I am not sure why you are trying to.

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2021 01:31AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

He is literally asked for the document by Matt in the Twitter DM screenshot Francie. There is zero disputing that, so I am not sure why you are trying to.

He has NEVER said he was 'asked to leak the document' Bubba. Stop pretending this is not new info.

Bubbaclaus · 21-03-2021 01:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He has NEVER said he was 'asked to leak the document' Bubba. Stop pretending this is not new info.

Continued goalpost moving. You've gone from making incorrect statements like the below to the above now that you realise that we did actually know. Very dishonest way of posting really. Just keep moving the goalposts until your shot hits the net

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Harris was 'asked to leak the document'. We did not know this.

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2021 01:38AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Continued goalpost moving. You've gone from making incorrect statements like the below to the above now that you realise that we did actually know. Very dishonest way of posting really. Just keep moving the goalposts until your shot hits the net

What???

Bubbaclaus · 21-03-2021 01:41AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What???

Which part are you confused with?

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2021 01:46AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Which part are you confused with?

We didn't know he had been 'asked to leak the document'. That is new info.
You claim I have 'moved goalposts' when I have said nothing different since this has broken.

Bubbaclaus · 21-03-2021 01:50AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We didn't know he had been 'asked to leak the document'. That is new info.
You claim I have 'moved goalposts' when I have said nothing different since this has broken.

We did know he was asked by O'Toole. We have known since 4 November when the screenshots of the conversation between Matt O'Toole and Simon Harris were released, where O'Toole asked him for a copy of the document.

No idea why you would claim that this isn't the case.

Going around in circles here. I've made the facts clear, some people just seem like they would prefer their own facts.

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2021 01:53AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

We did know he was asked by O'Toole. We have known since 4 November when the screenshots of the conversation between Matt O'Toole and Simon Harris were released, where O'Toole asked him for a copy of the document.

No idea why you would claim that this isn't the case.

Going around in circles here. I've made the facts clear, some people just seem like they would prefer their own facts.

Did you miss the word 'also' in the article? He was 'also' asked by O'Toole.

Stop digging here Bubba, Harris has revealed new info.

Bubbaclaus · 21-03-2021 01:57AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you miss the word 'also' in the article? He was 'also' asked by O'Toole.

Stop digging here Bubba, Harris has revealed new info.

What do you think the 'also' means?

Pretty clear to me that it means he was also approached by O'Toole, as we knew, but you seem to have some other interpretation of it? I'm curious now as to what you think that is?

FrancieBrady · 21-03-2021 02:06AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What do you think the 'also' means?

Pretty clear to me that it means he was also approached by O'Toole, as we knew, but you seem to have some other interpretation of it? I'm curious now as to what you think that is?

Who else do you think asked him?

He was 'advised' that anything he said may arise in a court. He said he was asked to leak the doc, and that he was 'also' asked by O'Toole.

shtpEdthePlum · 21-03-2021 02:08AM

This is absurd.

Anyone can see that this admission changes the situation. The deflection by several here is transparent. It indicates what will certainly be the last gasps of the boards.ie FG defence team.

Now that Harris has disclosed that he was indeed asked to leak the information and but refused to, it obviously shows that the then-health minister (who would have been the person with authority over this document) decided it couldn't go to O'Toole.

Leo gave the contract to Matt because they were friends and he was worried their union might turn against their party during the election. He used his position of privilege to curry favour with this buddy in spite of the fact that it undermined and directly threw Harris under the bus. It also conferred a more advantageous bargaining position to the rival doctors' union. It also boosted Leo's standing while sh!tting on Harris.

Harris wouldn't leak these documents. It's a huge development. It warrants discussion and no we should not "just let the gards do their job" because we're entitled to discuss proceedings when the former leader of the country is this crooked. It is very worrying that there is active suppression of the discourse here by certain users, what's the problem with talking about this major news story???

Bubbaclaus · 21-03-2021 02:09AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who else do you think asked him?

He was 'advised' that anything he said may arise in a court. He said he was asked to leak the doc, and that he was 'also' asked by O'Toole.

Wow. Certainly an interesting interpretation of that article from you Francie. No wonder you think there is new information in it. That's not how it reads at all though.

To me it is very clearly saying that he was also contacted by O'Toole, separate to Varadkar being contacted by O'Toole. As we knew.

I can see now why you were so confused with my posts though, certainly clears it up.

Suckit · 21-03-2021 02:26AM

One thing for sure, 'old' news or not, when it is in the papers in the morning, it will get a whole new lease of life.
Despite what has been said over the last few months, this story doesn't look like it's going to go away, and all of the people with this newly acquired information will have to either support Leo or risk being called a homophobe or a racist..

Johnthemanager · 21-03-2021 02:28AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

This story is not going away anytime soon.

But Leo might be!

skimpydoo · 21-03-2021 02:45AM

What will it take for the FG and Leo supporters on here to realise that this is serious? Don't try and bring SF into this as its not about them but Leo and his wrongdoing which he has admitted to doing.

CruelSummer · 21-03-2021 09:04AM

So it’s absolute gobsh*** Paddy Cosgrave that’s behind this story. How can people stand over this during a pandemic? Our country needs a stable Government right now and this is the priority of multi millionaire hypocrite Cosgrave.
An attack on Government over issues that happened before Covid.
And the Shinner cheerleaders here with all their own IRA, army council links cheerleading this like they’re upstanding law abiding citizens.

Irish Indepednent:
“Bowes was introduced to Village publisher Michael Smith by Web Summit founder Paddy Cosgrave, an outspoken critic of the Government. "He [Cosgrave] suggested to me that Village would be the place to run the story - and he was right because no one else wanted it," Bowes said, adding that Cosgrave was a friend whom he is working with on a number of health reform projects.”

Also Paddy Cosgrave:

“ Cosgrave criticised the Irish tax system, which was rejected as hypocrisy as Amaranthine, an investment fund set up by Cosgrave with other Web Summit founders, is based in California but registered in Delaware - an effective tax shelter.”

21-03-2021 09:12AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

What will it take for Sinn Fein to put Ireland first for once, instead of getting into bed with Paddy Cosgrave to write smear stories about Varadkar who’s also been subject to death threats.
How could anyone vote for them - their priorities aren’t jobs, reopening the country, health of our citizens, the monumental task of getting Ireland out of the pandemic, it’s this.
There’s been an online hate campaign against Varadkar, separate to this issue which is shameful and could have led to the death threats.
SF should be careful getting into bed with Cosgrave, he’s a dangerous individual who throws his toys out of the pram very quickly if he thinks he won’t be running the SF government from the sidelines.

This thread is about Leo leaking documents, have you any comment on that topic

jackboy · 21-03-2021 09:18AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So it’s absolute gobsh*** Paddy Cosgrave that’s behind this story. How can people stand over this during a pandemic? Our country needs a stable Government right now and this is the priority of multi millionaire hypocrite Cosgrave.
An attack on Government over issues that happened before Covid.
And the Shinner cheerleaders here with all their own IRA, army council links cheerleading this like they’re upstanding law abiding citizens.

Irish Indepednent:
“Bowes was introduced to Village publisher Michael Smith by Web Summit founder Paddy Cosgrave, an outspoken critic of the Government. "He [Cosgrave] suggested to me that Village would be the place to run the story - and he was right because no one else wanted it," Bowes said, adding that Cosgrave was a friend whom he is working with on a number of health reform projects.”

Also Paddy Cosgrave:

“ Cosgrave criticised the Irish tax system, which was rejected as hypocrisy as Amaranthine, an investment fund set up by Cosgrave with other Web Summit founders, is based in California but registered in Delaware - an effective tax shelter.”

That’s all interesting but irrelevant. Was the leaking a criminal act or not? That’s all that matters.

Brendan Bendar · 21-03-2021 09:28AM

jackboy wrote: »

That’s all interesting but irrelevant. Was the leaking a criminal act or not? That’s all that matters.

That’s what you’d like to think.

Lot of anger out there, a few slates being lifted and a light being shone into areas it’s obvious it was needed.

Some dangerous people hanging around.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 21-03-2021 09:31AM

Jesus, are people that desperate for gossip that they're now jizzing the jocks over information that was in the original "story" from the village? Hopping up and down because a bellend like Paddy Cosgrave says it's a new development. Engage the brain lads...the DM between O'Toole and Harris was in the first story.

Just let the gardaí do their job. If it's such an open and shut case we'll no doubt see the DPP recommending charges. In the meantime you'll save yourselves having to wash new sets of Y-fronts if you stop following Paddy Cosgrave on twitter.

TenLeftFingers · 21-03-2021 09:34AM

Good take off of Varadkar and Co in the latest Callans Kicks where he has his own podcast called Leo's Lense (or something). "I'm just an ordinary guy, like no other".

https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/callans-kicks/id632123130?i=1000513699805

Brendan Bendar · 21-03-2021 09:43AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Jesus, are people that desperate for gossip that they're now jizzing the jocks over information that was in the original "story" from the village? Hopping up and down because a bellend like Paddy Cosgrave says it's a new development. Engage the brain lads...the DM between O'Toole and Harris was in the first story.

Just let the gardaí do their job. If it's such an open and shut case we'll no doubt see the DPP recommending charges. In the meantime you'll save yourselves having to wash new sets of Y-fronts if you stop following Paddy Cosgrave on twitter.

Good call Paddy, on the button.

There’s a coterie out there who have latched on to Varadkar as someone to be ‘taken down’ and are slowly emerging from under their slates.

Instead of helping the country in a positive and constructive way these bells
are pumping out their own agenda and once that keeps them in the limelight they don’t give a toss about the country, and will walk away when when they have done their dirty work.

Wake up folk.

Rows Grower · 21-03-2021 09:46AM

So Leo asked Harris to give a copy of the confidential document to his friend the head union lad and Harris refused?

Then Leo, Mr. Smug, simply makes a copy and sends it to his chum via taxi.

There's no way that man can be trusted in public office.

jackboy · 21-03-2021 09:52AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Good call Paddy, on the button.

There’s a coterie out there who have latched on to Varadkar as someone to be ‘taken down’ and are slowly emerging from under their slates.

Instead of helping the country in a positive and constructive way these bells
are pumping out their own agenda and once that keeps them in the limelight they don’t give a toss about the country, and will walk away when when they have done their dirty work.

Wake up folk.

Again irrelevant. Was it a criminal act or not? There is no point focusing on the messengers, no matter their motivation.

McMurphy · 21-03-2021 09:56AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So it’s absolute gobsh*** Paddy Cosgrave that’s behind this story.

No. Paddy Cosgraves tweet just happened to be the first tweet I found with a picture of the front of the mail on Sunday, to suggest he's "behind the story" because he tweeted an article is complete and utter nonsense and highly dishonest.

The rest of your long winded whataboutery is also irrelevant, and you've been told this each time you appear in the thread to suggest laws and ethics should be suspended because of the pandemic*.

*Speaking of which, I see month later and Leo hasn't given Roisin Shorthall a response on the dodgy ventilators, apparently "events manager" quirke had a political contact personally involved in helping him secure the deal.

Was it Leo?

https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1373326139909935104?s=19

Brendan Bendar · 21-03-2021 09:59AM

jackboy wrote: »

Again irrelevant. Was it a criminal act or not? There is no point focusing on the messengers, no matter their motivation.

The thread title is ‘Leo Varadkar Story in the Village’ last I looked.

Therefore all the components of that title are relevant.

Motivation on all sides is very important in these issues.

Leave the legal stuff to the legal eagles I would suggest.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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