Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Dickie10 · 21-03-2021 12:28AM

did i see westlife organozing a concert ? surely there gone until 2022 at the earliest?

FintanMcluskey · 21-03-2021 12:33AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

did i see westlife organozing a concert ? surely there gone until 2022 at the earliest?

Ah ffs people have suffered enough without more misery

Locotastic · 21-03-2021 12:35AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Robbie_Power/status/1373291131098783746

She's a vile old wagon alright but crossing a line to threaten her anonmyously in her home I'd say.

Not a fan either but its not exactly a threat though, more of an opinion from someone who thinks they are a self appointed speaker for their entire community.

People really need to calm down and stop thinking they now have a right to be in everyone else's business. It does cross a line.

gozunda · 21-03-2021 12:37AM

niallo27 wrote: »

So I presume your in favour of construction opening and outdoor sports and non essential opening.

Yes I support the reopening of all businesses, who doesn't?

When and how are you suggesting this happens?

niallo27 · 21-03-2021 12:42AM

gozunda wrote: »

Yes I support their reopening of all businesses, who doesn't?

When and how are you suggesting this happens?

April 5th, do you not think it can happen then and if not, what date would you suggest or even a guess.

21-03-2021 12:45AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Not a fan either but its not exactly a threat though, more of an opinion from someone who thinks they are a self appointed speaker for their entire community.

People really need to calm down and stop thinking they now have a right to be in everyone else's business. It does cross a line.

It that was found on Hazel Chu's door, she'd be on the late late calling it a death threat and the most hateful of hate speech!! cowards sticking letters on her door. Back to their basements then after to play call of duty I'd say.

RGS · 21-03-2021 12:48AM

niallo27 wrote: »

April 5th, do you not think it can happen then and if not, what date would you suggest or even a guess.

That's easy to answer;

When cases are low enough to justify re opening and recommended by NPHET.

They never provide any concrete numbers or dates because we cant have dates or numbers because of the unknown factors and variants.

Natterjack from Kerry · 21-03-2021 12:49AM

niallo27 wrote: »

UK debating foreign leisure travel and we are debating extending the 5km restriction. Yes European plans change depending on numbers but they have something to aim for. Our plan is to stay in lockdown so we won't have to go back into lockdown.

We do have something to aim for. While the next few months will be largely as we are, there will be roughly a L3 from July onwards hopefully, and completing the vaccine programme fully towards the end of the year, will allow a more or less full removal of restriction, other than checks and tests and traffic light system for restriction on international travel, from early February next year. Thats as precise as it can get, but it something to aim for, and to allow people plan their lives in so far as it is possible with the uncertainty of this virus.

Locotastic · 21-03-2021 12:52AM

RGS wrote: »

That's easy to answer;

When cases are low enough to justify re opening and recommended by NPHET.

They never provide any concrete numbers or dates because we cant have dates or numbers because of the unknown factors and variants.

Vague and non committal - what does 'cases low enough' mean?

Natterjack from Kerry · 21-03-2021 12:55AM

Locotastic wrote: »

A year later the reaction is to lockdown again, we've been like this for nearly 3 months now with no change likely on the horizon.

Are there really no other options?

Unfortunately not. While it isnt nice, that doesnt mean there is a better option. Sometimes least worst is as good as it gets.

suicide_circus · 21-03-2021 12:57AM

Locotastic wrote: »

A year later the reaction is to lockdown again, we've been like this for nearly 3 months now with no change likely on the horizon.

Are there really no other options?

Ultimately, if vaccines don't prove as effective as we all hope they will be, we're either going to have to accept a new way of life or...we're going to have a very uncomfortable discussion about our relationship with death.

niallo27 · 21-03-2021 12:58AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

We do have something to aim for. While the next few months will be largely as we are, there will be roughly a L3 from July onwards hopefully, and completing the vaccine programme fully towards the end of the year, will allow a more or less full removal of restriction, other than checks and tests and traffic light system for restriction on international travel, from early February next year. Thats as precise as it can get, but it something to aim for, and to allow people plan their lives in so far as it is possible with the uncertainty of this virus.

So level 5 for 9 months except the 2 weeks we had. People will just give up if they already haven't. At least it will give out healthcare workers another few months of doing **** all.

RGS · 21-03-2021 01:02AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Vague and non committal - what does 'cases low enough' mean?

Your guess is as good as mine. But that's the usual answer supporters of NPHET trot out when asked that very simple question.

Personally from 5 April I'd have the following re opened;

Outdoor non contact sports, all construction, 5km extended to county limits and or 20km from your home. Kids sports non contact training and click and collect.

We have to move on and get the country re opened in sensible stages.

Natterjack from Kerry · 21-03-2021 01:02AM

niallo27 wrote: »

So level 5 for 9 months except the 2 weeks we had. People will just give up if they already haven't. At least it will give out healthcare workers another few months of doing **** all.

Yes, but I think you underestimate the Irish people. There will be some; the selfish, the poorly informed, and those weak in morale courage, who will flout the regulations to some degree. But the great majority, and the fight against a pandemic is determined by the great majority not a minority, will stick with the programme, understanding that it is the best path, tough and all as that may be.

AlekSmart · 21-03-2021 01:07AM

RobitTV wrote: »

London live feed

OMG !

This is truly worrisome to watch.

At least we know that Her Majesty's Government has a proposal to deal with Public Disorder such as this.

These people will soon get their come uppance when the Metropolitan Police Constables will be empowered to arrest them all for Shouting,Chanting,Whistling,being in charge of a noisy motorbicycle,or pedalling furiously on a wheeled device fitted with clackers.

I sincerely hope that Parliament will pass the relevant new Emergency Legislation in jig time,and that their Lordships will simply nod it through.

It is very apparent that none of these protesters can think for themselves,and must be put away to ensure the safety of the Free World...Ya ?

I am contacting my TD (Mr Paul Murphy) to ask him to seek an immediate recall of Dail Eireann to facilitate liason with the Westminister Government in order to copy whatever they have written into their new legislation (It'll be quicker that way OK ?)

This carry-on MUST be suppressed...:(

niallo27 · 21-03-2021 01:08AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Yes, but I think you underestimate the Irish people. There will be some; the selfish, the poorly informed, and those weak in morale courage, who will flout the regulations to some degree. But the great majority, and the fight against a pandemic is determined by the great majority not a minority, will stick with the programme, understanding that it is the best path, tough and all as that may be.

True colours come out at last, what about the 25% out of work, what about the kids having no social outlet, people losing their businesses, losing everything. Are these people weak in morale courage. It easy for people like you to preach who have in way been affected.

shtpEdthePlum · 21-03-2021 01:08AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It has all gotten so weird, I was discussing the governments mishandling of these restrictions and how ridiculous it all is with a friend yesterday and he started saying I should be out marching with Gemma etc and the rest of the right wing loons. Some people think you're a nutjob if you even question the government on this.
It doesn't really affect me that much but it is destroying so many people.

I don't know anyone who thinks what's happening right now is alright. Your friend is likely in a sizeable minority.

whippet wrote: »

Lockdowns only work if people actually adhere to the rules.

You have to remember that our lockdown deems certain obvious routes of transmission acceptable (see:schools) while prohibiting other activities that are relatively safe and stop people from feeling like caged animals going insane (visits to back gardens).

If the government said the restrictions now included the stipulation "Magpies are no longer allowed to congregate together as improved morale is dangerous." would you still think adherence to restrictions was causing the rising cases?

Locotastic · 21-03-2021 01:16AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Yes, but I think you underestimate the Irish people. There will be some; the selfish, the poorly informed, and those weak in morale courage, who will flout the regulations to some degree. But the great majority, and the fight against a pandemic is determined by the great majority not a minority, will stick with the programme, understanding that it is the best path, tough and all as that may be.

I think you underestimate the Irish people in your assumption that those who can think for themselves must be in some way selfish or uneducated.

Those who want to stick with following NPHETs tiresome orders can do so but you fail to realise that anyone who wants to make decisions for themselves is free to do so.

Stick with the programme? These are humans, not robots!

AlekSmart · 21-03-2021 01:17AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Yes, but I think you underestimate the Irish people. There will be some; the selfish, the poorly informed, and those weak in morale courage, who will flout the regulations to some degree. But the great majority, and the fight against a pandemic is determined by the great majority not a minority, will stick with the programme, understanding that it is the best path, tough and all as that may be.

I admire your Blind Faith in The Great Majority,it is just the trait which saw us through 800 years of occupation n'stuff,and which might just do the trick again now....

I've had my Blind Faith period too.....sadly ended in 2019 when Ginger Baker passed on,though not from Covid mind you......;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIcESt9eYRk

I hope a few protesters around London today knew at least some of the words....

gozunda · 21-03-2021 01:24AM

niallo27 wrote: »

UK debating foreign leisure travel and we are debating extending the 5km restriction. Yes European plans change depending on numbers but they have something to aim for. Our plan is to stay in lockdown so we won't have to go back into lockdown.

The UK still has its "stay at home" restriction with hefty penalties if you don't.

And no they're not "debating foreign leisure travel" - they've penciled in Mid April when the possibility will be reviewed - with a whole bunch of caveats.

Boris has more escape holes than a rat in a sewer tbf ...

PTH2009 · 21-03-2021 01:38AM

In terms of hospitality i think when things can go back to normal (god knws when if/ever that will be) it will go straight back to pre covid times pretty quickly, its be seen many a times over lockdown with the house parties/street drinking etc. When that farce of a food rule came in people were lapping it up and it was almost like normal times once the food was finished/binned bar the opening hours

Pub culture is our way of life and for many it can't be undone and i do think this is bullet for those who don't like the lifestyle to kill it off once and for all. Sure a lot of politicians would have celebrations for there elections wins at all hours of the night/morning in Pubs

gozunda · 21-03-2021 01:47AM

niallo27 wrote: »

April 5th, do you not think it can happen then and if not, what date would you suggest or even a guess.

Why April 5th?

I think you are asking me to speculate. Perhaps someone with the relevant pandemic control qualifications would be better able to accurately answer those questions than myself. But hey I'll have a go.

A. Can all of it happen on April 5th?

Imho and with current case numbers and where we are with vaccinations - I doubt it very much without returning to January numbers

B. What 'date' do I 'suggest?

See Above - but I'd imagine that restrictions should be rolled back gradually and when new case have been kept down consistantly and our health services are able to continue to cope - and when a critical mass have been vaccinated.

That's about it...

Sharpyshoot · 21-03-2021 01:54AM

April 5th will be hugely disappointing for most. Level 4 + 1 which is 5 is where we will be till August 25th.

PTH2009 · 21-03-2021 02:09AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

April 5th will be hugely disappointing for most. Level 4 + 1 which is 5 is where we will be till August 25th.

Christ

At least with the 2020 full lockdown we got the spirits lifted with the phased system which came into play May 2020 if i remember correctly and that was without Vaccines and now were in a worse place with the ****ing things ??

AlekSmart · 21-03-2021 02:12AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ

At least with the 2020 full lockdown we got the spirits lifted with the phased system which came into play May 2020 if i remember correctly and that was without Vaccines and now were in a worse place with the ****ing things ??

Less of the ??'s.

Questioning of the regulations is quite frowned upon,you know.

hynesie08 · 21-03-2021 02:16AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ

At least with the 2020 full lockdown we got the spirits lifted with the phased system which came into play May 2020 if i remember correctly and that was without Vaccines and now were in a worse place with the ****ing things ??

So now your getting angry at someone else's made up scenario? Not sure that's an improvement.

21-03-2021 02:26AM

niallo27 wrote: »

True colours come out at last, what about the 25% out of work, what about the kids having no social outlet, people losing their businesses, losing everything. Are these people weak in morale courage. It easy for people like you to preach who have in way been affected.

They are merely "the selfish, the poorly informed, and those weak in morale courage", apparently.

The irony :pac:

Whatsisname · 21-03-2021 02:26AM

gozunda wrote: »

The UK still has its "stay at home" restriction with hefty penalties if you don't.

And no they're not "debating foreign leisure travel" - they've penciled in Mid April when the possibility will be reviewed - with a whole bunch of caveats.

Boris has more escape holes than a rat in a sewer tbf ...

What you think life is like in the UK right now is vastly different from reality.

Locotastic · 21-03-2021 02:33AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

April 5th will be hugely disappointing for most. Level 4 + 1 which is 5 is where we will be till August 25th.

Yeah people following restrictions is not happening now so it definitely won't be happening in August.

The only ones who'll be disappointed are those who have a complete lack of understanding of just how much more people are willing to take.

gozunda · 21-03-2021 02:50AM

AlekSmart wrote: »

OMG !

This is truly worrisome to watch.

At least we know that Her Majesty's Government has a proposal to deal with Public Disorder such as this.

These people will soon get their come uppance when the Metropolitan Police Constables will be empowered to arrest them all for Shouting,Chanting,Whistling,being in charge of a noisy motorbicycle,or pedalling furiously on a wheeled device fitted with clackers.

I sincerely hope that Parliament will pass the relevant new Emergency Legislation in jig time,and that their Lordships will simply nod it through.

It is very apparent that none of these protesters can think for themselves,and must be put away to ensure the safety of the Free World...Ya ?

I am contacting my TD (Mr Paul Murphy) to ask him to seek an immediate recall of Dail Eireann to facilitate liason with the Westminister Government in order to copy whatever they have written into their new legislation (It'll be quicker that way OK ?)

This carry-on MUST be suppressed...:(

The long term anarchists in the UK will generally take to the streets at the drop of a hat. They've been at it long before when I lived there. Really not a particularly good barometer for the veracity of any situation tbh.

Most of them are still waiting for a Russian
proletariat style revolution ...

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