Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009 wrote: »

So the Vaccines was never the end game we were promised ?

Who apart from the conspiracy nut job loons has stated that?

TonyMaloney wrote: »

We're literally protecting the vulnerable right now, and you want it to stop.

Make your mind up

Make no mistake, no other nation has had the level of community suppression Ireland has.

Many nations have though protected their vulnerable better than Ireland has

Sweden is one example

Boggles wrote: »

The majority went back to school this week, hopefully in the next 2 weeks or so sports can resume for them.

Not everything is doom and gloom.

There is no chance based on the current dispute in cabinet over relaxing the 5km limit that sports will resume in 2 weeks for either kids or adults.


Secondly kids education is important but so is the working career of the adults in this state. Their taxes create the wealth to educate the kids.


There is no positivity from anyone in NPHET or government.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Mass disobedience is the only way to break the stranglehold the country is being subjected to.


Not some shifting goalpost like 'case numbers' that some bureaucrat's pulled out of his arse.

The majority of these so called 'cases' need a test to tell them they've caught this deadly virus.

It's about time people woke up and started doing something - your children's futures are being sacrificed to protect well-paid politicians from making a decision.

In the last 14 days, 57% of those that tested positive had symptoms. 20% were asymptomatic or presymptomatic, and the rest are unknown.

So no, not a majority. One fifth. The majority had symptoms.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20210318%20_%20Web.pdf

You're worried about kids? Good, so are we. That's why they've been prioritised ahead of the rest of the country, and schools are reopening first

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Sweden is one example

apple and oranges

Sweden isn't the utopia you are claiming.

Swedes by their nature are socially distant - so you don't need to bring in legislation to stop people in pubs slobbering around the place and generally swedes will do what is asked of them.

however in ireland - when restrictions are announced the conversation on the airwaves and in the community revolve around how to get around the restrictions / loopholes ...

So comparing the irish with the swedes isn't a good idea .. also their health system is able to deal with a surge than the irish system. The swedes pay higher taxes and are happy to do so to get systems that work.

In ireland we hate paying taxes - for a number of reasons.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Make no mistake, no other nation has had the level of community suppression Ireland has.

Many nations have though protected their vulnerable better than Ireland has

Sweden is one example

Sweden is one example where they did next to nothing to protect their elderly.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/anger-in-sweden-as-elderly-pay-price-for-coronavirus-strategy

It was worse than nothing in some cases

* One fifth of nursing home patients not assessed by doctor

* Some patients put on end-of-life treatment without positive test

* Problems systemic and evident in all Sweden’s 21 regions

* Prime minister says findings ‘very serious’ (Adds detail, background, reaction)

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-nursinghomes-idUSL1N2IA1CJ

cjyid wrote: »

Yes please. 100% better than RTE.

Funny, some people are convinced that the same "Experts" and scientists that the State Broadcaster hire are the only ones that are 100% correct..what they fail to realise is that within the scientific community you rarely get groups of scientists which agree with one another...
You can find any number of "Experts" out there who'll fully back up the Government narrative, however to be objective RTE should have Experts and Scientists who will question the narrative not fully back it up..
Sadly we don't have an objective media in this country...

Boggles wrote: »

Nope. Absolute nonsense.

The vast majority of all people know why they are sacrificing and what for.

In a week where the majority of kids went back to school, we have you on here telling them they have no future.

The constant doom mongering angle is just plain boring.

Right....as vain as my attempts always are to make you answer a question, I will ask it again. You said that young people are concerned about keeping their families safe. But you will also maintain that restrictions are necessary because young people will spread the virus and, therefore, harm / kill their families.

So I don’t know Boggles, it seems you are saying that young people are only concerned with keeping their families safe so long as they are forced to do so. Is that correct? Wouldn’t it just be much easier to say what you really mean...that young people can’t be trusted to act in a way that will keep their families safe? Is it really so hard to just say what you mean?

As for the other points you make, you make those points because they are a convenient way of shirking any sense of moral responsibility for the views you advocate. Pretending that lockdown won’t have profound adverse socioeconomic effects is moral and intellectual cowardice. You are perfectly entitled to believe that the good gained by lockdown outweighs the bad, and there are good arguments in favour of that proposition, but I don’t think you are entitled to have your cake and eat it. There is no point championing the moral righteousness of whatever it is you advocate if you are not willing to accept the downsides — otherwise you are claiming that your argument is perfect and infallible.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Funny, some people are convinced that the same "Experts" and scientists that the State Broadcaster hire are the only ones that are 100% correct..what they fail to realise is that within the scientific community you rarely get groups of scientists which agree with one another...
You can find any number of "Experts" out there who'll fully back up the Government narrative, however to be objective RTE should have Experts and Scientists who will question the narrative not fully back it up..
Sadly we don't have an objective media in this country...

They were all over RTE and media last summer.

Pandemic is over, no second wave, etc.

They are all gone very quiet now, I imagine a combination of hiding out on twitter, not been booked for interviews or just being plain unbookable.

ArthurDayne wrote: »

Right....as vain as my attempts always are to make you answer a question, I will ask it again. You said that young people are concerned about keeping their families safe. But you will also maintain that restrictions are necessary because young people will spread the virus and, therefore, harm / kill their families.

So I don’t know Boggles, it seems you are saying that young people are only concerned with keeping their families safe so long as they are forced to do so. Is that correct? Wouldn’t it just be much easier to say what you really mean...that young people can’t be trusted to act in a way that will keep their families safe? Is it really so hard to just say what you mean?

As for the other points you make, you make those points because they are a convenient way of shirking any sense of moral responsibility for the views you advocate. Pretending that lockdown won’t have profound adverse socioeconomic effects is moral and intellectual cowardice. You are perfectly entitled to believe that the good gained by lockdown outweighs the bad, and there are good arguments in favour of that proposition, but I don’t think you are entitled to have your cake and eat it. There is no point championing the moral righteousness of whatever it is you advocate if you are not willing — otherwise you are claiming that your argument is perfect and infallible.

Huh? The vast majority of all people are fine and perfectly lucid.

You have decided that you want to create a borg cohort who all think like you.

They don't.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Sadly the HSE have never managed waiting lists to a safe level and Covid has just thrown all the wheels off the trolley on this..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/almost-one-million-could-be-on-hospital-waiting-lists-by-year-end-consultants-warn-1.4498974

€11.5 Billion spent on Government social welfare payments, almost 1million adults dependent on state payments...

500+ cases per day, 25 Covid hospital admissions per day I believe...

There's very little the Government have done well here..

Down from what?

It's like January and February never happened. :rolleyes:

Monster249 wrote: »

I'd love to know at what point people like them would actually change their opinion on lockdowns.

For example, if the Government said we were going to be in lockdown until 2025 because of 'concern over variants', would people actually question it or just proceed with their lives like NPCs?

It's indoctrination at this stage - there is no logic or critical thinking being applied, just blind obedience.


It's become clear to me over the last year how little Irish people value our democratic freedoms. They have been traded away with barely a whimper. Each day another unelected bureaucrat will pontificate on the national airwaves about how much more of our freedoms need to be removed, with barely a shrug from the populace.

Boggles wrote: »

They were all over RTE and media last summer.
Pandemic is over, no second wave, etc.They are all gone very quiet now, I imagine a combination of hiding out on twitter, not been booked for interviews or just being plain unbookable.

Written off/discredited as "Far right" "Conspiracy theorists" "Nutjobs" and supported by those who carry opinions like yours?

There's plenty of holes that can be found in the comments and opinions of RTE's favorite expert Luke O'Neill which he stated last year if people want to look it up..

Graham wrote: »

I haven't seen you addressing an actual point in quite some time.

ypres5 wrote: »

I haven't seen you make a point worth addressing ever.

Mod: Time out, both of you. See you in 48 hours.

The sun is shining. Its a beautiful day.

Please don't spend your entire summer indoors arguing with bots.

Most of these people have said that they are not thinking their own thoughts or making their own decisions, they are outsourcing them to whichever politicians or scientists appear in front of the television cameras. That means they are impervious to many things, e.g. failure to meet normative standards of scientific proof.

Life isn't debate club.

Okay I'm out. Enjoy your day.