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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #7352
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    To be fair, surely you expected more would be out in force? I mean, given the talk on here for weeks that everyone has woke up and we will see that in demonstrations.

    Yet again it appears people are going to ride this out and not jeopardise rising numbers again, because we all know what that will mean

    I don't see why anyone would go to demonstrations when they have been informed that the state's violent arm will be there to suppress their democratic right to protest, considering that it is patently obvious that everyone has woken up and one could have a much better day hanging out in the outdoor crowds that congregated all around the country today.

    "jeopardise rising numbers" was a cute Freudian slip though.


  • #7353
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No no, nothing of the sort.

    The real reason is much much worse for society

    The right to assemble is now postponed and the government is flexing its power via its police force to prevent people protesting the prolonged removal of democracy and fundamental rights.

    Between NPHET and the government they failed to protect the vulnerable in Ireland and still managed to implement the longest community mitigation measures of all countries across the globe and people have no option to show their concern at the ineptitude.

    The precedent is set, and frustratingly many of ye cheered it on and allowed the government to blame us for their failures.

    Spin it any way you want chief. As usual you`re completely wide of the mark there though.


  • #7354
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    LameBeaver wrote: »
    Spin it any way you want chief. As usual you`re completely wide of the mark there though.

    If you repeat the same message day in, day out, people may take notice. Or maybe not.


  • #7355
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Graham wrote: »
    Ahhh there's why you're confused.

    You're under the mistaken impression that Hospitals are the only 'healthcare setting';

    Acute Hospital, Nursing Home, Community services, Community Hospital/LSU, Centre for disabilities, GP surgery, Mental Health Facility, Hospice, Homeless - hub/hostel/hotel, Other HCW place of work.

    How many patients are sent to hotels, or community services. The key is the word patient. It may not be 100 but you can guarantee a high percentage of these cases are hospital based, but nursing home cases have dropped off a cliff.


  • #7356
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't see why anyone would go to demonstrations when they have been informed that the state's violent arm will be there

    Now that's just plain silly.


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  • #7357
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What was the name of your threadbanned account?

    Good question. What was yours?


  • #7358
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Their is a constitutional right to freedom within Ireland if I’m not mistaken


  • #7359
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It may not be 100 but you can guarantee a high percentage of these cases are hospital based, but nursing home cases have dropped off a cliff.

    I'll wait while you quickly rearrange those goalposts there Niallo. :rolleyes:

    Horse dead, stop flogging.


  • #7360
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The government have offered no way out of the lockdown, just more of the same. A lot of people have given up at this stage.

    I agree.

    Just more weeks of not being able to do anything.

    Ah well.


  • #7361
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Graham wrote: »
    I'll wait while you quickly rearrange those goalposts there Niallo. :rolleyes:

    Horse dead, stop flogging.

    Deflect deflect deflect. If you actually answered questions people asked of you, you would not be such a laughing stock on here.


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  • #7362
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How many patients are sent to hotels, or community services. The key is the word patient. It may not be 100 but you can guarantee a high percentage of these cases are hospital based, but nursing home cases have dropped off a cliff.

    The data is readily available.

    For example there were 2,515 cases linked to acute hospital outbreaks in the 14 weeks from Week 48 2020 to last week. Last week there were 12 cases

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week102021_WebVersion_v.1.0%20(004).pdf


  • #7363
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    niallo27 wrote: »
    you would not be such a laughing stock on here.

    Well, that's subjective, just sayin'


  • #7364
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The data is readily available.

    For example there were 2,515 cases linked to acute hospital outbreaks in the 14 weeks from Week 48 2020 to last week. Last week there were 12 cases

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week102021_WebVersion_v.1.0%20(004).pdf

    Thanks for that information, just to be sure, are you sure it's 12 cases and not 12 outbreaks.


  • #7365
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    To be fair, surely you expected more would be out in force? I mean, given the talk on here for weeks that everyone has woke up and we will see that in demonstrations.

    Yet again it appears people are going to ride this out and not jeopardise rising numbers again, because we all know what that will mean

    Please tell me it won't mean we go to level 5 lockdown again. If only we had stuck with lockdown we would be down to 50 cases a day by now. Hasn't that been the science up to now? Lockdown gets numbers down to low levels, so what's going on at the moment?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7366
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Their is a constitutional right to freedom within Ireland if I’m not mistaken

    Don't go hiding behind your constitutional rights.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7367
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The data is readily available.

    For example there were 2,515 cases linked to acute hospital outbreaks in the 14 weeks from Week 48 2020 to last week. Last week there were 12 cases

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week102021_WebVersion_v.1.0%20(004).pdf

    Since the end of November 1376 cases have been contracted in acute hospitals, 65 were admitted to icu and over 350 died. That's worse than I even thought. That's shocking.


  • #7368
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Thanks for that information, just to be sure, are you sure it's 12 cases and not 12 outbreaks.

    From the data it seems to be both. Outbreaks mush have happened the previous week with follow up testing last week


  • #7369
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Since the end of November 1376 cases have been contracted in acute hospitals, 65 were admitted to icu and over 350 died. That's worse than I even thought. That's shocking.

    And people wonder why we needed to keep cases low as much as possible to reduce the impact of this on vulnerable populations. Thankfully the vaccines will have been rolled out to the vulnerable groups by May.


  • #7370
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Deleted User wrote: »
    From the data it seems to be both. Outbreaks mush have happened the previous week with follow up testing last week

    From the data you posted, hospital transmission is definitely a huge issue up to last week.


  • #7371
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    From the data you posted, hospital transmission is definitely a huge issue up to last week.

    It is not possible to keep the virus out of acute hospitals short of closing them down


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  • #7372
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    niallo27 wrote: »
    There was just a post about how Brazil, a total **** show, no restrictions, president doesn't give a **** and their hospitals are at 80% capacity. We could only dream of that.

    I believe I already answered that - previously you wrote -
    niallo27 wrote: »
    Running at 80% capacity, did I read that right. We could only dream of a figure that low even without covid. They have no restrictions for months and their hospitals are only stretched to 80%. I thought this virus would overwhelm hospitals in a few weeks.

    No - you didn't. You might want to read that again - that's "Covid-19 units in all but two of Brazil's 27 states are at or above 80% capacity, according to Fiocruz."
    Brazil health service in 'worst crisis in its history'

    Brazil is experiencing a historic collapse of its health service as intensive care units in hospitals run out of capacity, its leading health institute, Fiocruz, has warned.

    Covid-19 units in all but two of Brazil's 27 states are at or above 80% capacity, according to Fiocruz.

    In Rio Grande do Sul state there are no intensive care beds available at all.

    The warning came as the country registered its highest daily death toll yet with 2,841 dying within 24 hours.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56424611

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116607741&postcount=7350


  • #7373
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It is not possible to keep the virus out of acute hospitals short of closing them down

    How effect is community mitigation measures at preventing hospital spread so?

    About as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike I’d say


  • #7374
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    To be fair, surely you expected more would be out in force? I mean, given the talk on here for weeks that everyone has woke up and we will see that in demonstrations.

    Yet again it appears people are going to ride this out and not jeopardise rising numbers again, because we all know what that will mean

    It seems more like many people are skirting the 'rules' as it suits them, but have no interest in attending a mass protest. Skirting the rules is in of itself a protest. The situation looks a tiny bit more volatile on the continent. I think anyone in their right mind will agree that 'firework boy' from the last protest was an outlier muppet.

    A very accurate post made about a week ago by the prolific [a clock twice a day] Bonkers suggested that with vaccination rolling, it's hard to see why most people would bother to kick up a fuss rather than just wait. Agree or not with that viewpoint, the end is in sight, its now more a set of differing complaints about speed and removal of this utterly rubbish year. There is no common consensus on that which at least in Ireland might cause a mass protest.

    The accounting of the efficacy of Irelands lockdown can and must come later. I hope but doubt many heads will roll.


  • #7375
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Oberkon wrote: »
    Mainly late teens and 20s . Fair play to them . They clearly have had enough . You can’t lock young people up .
    I then saw 2 guards on bikes up the road . They didn’t seem to give a dam either. Probably sick of it at this stage

    I’d say Nephet and the Governments worst nightmare was a sunny day on St Patrick’s day ...

    No one is locked up. What would the guards be giving a damn about? People are allowed to be out and about.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • #7376
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    How effect is community mitigation measures at preventing hospital spread so?

    About as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike I’d say

    It’s not possible to keep the virus out of acute hospitals when it’s rampant in the community. Is that clearer. Every “acute” admission is a potential carrier and eventually a case will get in and spread simply through the nature of how hospitals are supposed to work. Eventually you may come to the realisation that this in essence is why low community spread in the absence of vulnerable populations being vaccinated is desirable. 350 deaths, more than 20% of those who caught it while in hospital for another reason, due to community outbreaks seeding hospital outbreaks. I don’t believe you will find any stat showing anything close to 20% of hospital population never being discharged in normal circumstances


  • #7377
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Oberkon wrote: »
    Cycled through malahide earlier , place was jammed was nearly like a festival between the park and the green area in front of the marina .
    Everybody chilling having a few drinks , no hassle or messing . Then cycled past the park on way back and loads leaving at same time , must have been some meet up . Mainly late teens and 20s . Fair play to them . They clearly have had enough . You can’t lock young people up . I then saw 2 guards on bikes up the road . They didn’t seem to give a dam either. Probably sick of it at this stage. I’d say Nephet and the Governments worst nightmare was a sunny day on St Patrick’s day ...

    Afaik Malahide has a population of approx 16,550 residents. If only a proportion of those decided to exercise within the 5 km restriction limit you would see a similar number of people "between the park and the green area in front of the marina "

    This bs that regular people are somehow giving the finger to the rest of us is truely bizarre.

    It's like some are imagining things just to suit their own ideas.


  • #7378
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    gozunda wrote: »
    Afaik Malahide has a population of approx 16,550 residents. If only a proportion of those decided to exercise within the 5 km restriction limit you would see a similar number of people "between the park and the green area in front of the marina "

    This bs that regular people are somehow giving the finger to the rest of us is truely bizarre.

    It's like some are imagining things just to suit their own ideas about some great mass uprising.

    You are right everyone is sticking to the 5k limit aren't they....


  • #7379
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    SnuggyBear wrote: »
    You are right everyone is sticking to the 5k limit aren't they....

    So you are claiming everyone exercising "between the park and the green area in front of the marina" in malahide are part of some mass uprising yeah?

    Yeah right...


  • #7380
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    gozunda wrote: »
    I believe I already answered that - previously you wrote -



    No - you didn't. You might want to read that again - that's "Covid-19 units in all but two of Brazil's 27 states are at or above 80% capacity, according to Fiocruz."



    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56424611

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116607741&postcount=7350

    So all hospitals are running at around 80% bar two that are less, you do realise we run at 100% here every winter. I'm not saying it's all rosy but how the hell are they not at 150% capacity by now.


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  • #7381
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    gozunda wrote: »
    So you are claiming everyone exercising "between the park and the green area in front of the marina" in malahide are part of some mass uprising yeah?

    Yeah right...

    Wow thats a fantastic example of a strawman argument. While you probably both have a point, you just made yourself look silly with this post.


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