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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    For someone so vocal about restrictions being removed I'm somewhat surprised to learn you think Irish residents should have been locked out of the country.

    I'm really curious to find out how you know this was the source of new variants.

    if they were being flown over from the uk then they're obviously not resident in ireland are they if they're being flown home from Christmas. also if you think flying people over from the uk and b117 coming to ireland were two coincidental events that occurred at the same time then i honestly don't know what to say graham


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Now that the variants nonsense is petering out we'll be hearing a lot about still births for the next while.

    Hold firm. The next 2 weeks are crucial.

    Have you not heard about the new New York variant that was announced on the NPHET TV show today?
    There’s also a new variant from Antigua doing the rounds in England.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    if they were being flown over from the uk then they're obviously not resident in ireland are they if they're being flown home from Christmas. also if you think flying people over from the uk and b117 coming to ireland were two coincidental events that occurred at the same time then i honestly don't know what to say graham

    Yes now it's clear.

    You don't understand the purpose of those repatriation flights.

    That does explain why you're confused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I'm actually at the stage where don't give a f..k what they say anymore.

    Having people over Easter bank holiday will give me something to look forward to but overall I've had enough. Just tell us what %of the country needs to be vaccinated for what level of opening. If they did that people would probably source the vaccines for them, can see thousands of people offering their services to AZ:) in all seriousness though if the vaccinated people in a controlled arent are still have their lives dictating to them by NPHET what is the point.

    I really can't see how the government can defend the position that they have outsourced the decision making of the country to NpHET

    If they linked opening to vaccine numbers that would put pressure on the government and the HSE to deliver the vaccines.
    That’s why it’s not gonna happen, easier to blame students, protests and people going to work.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    If they linked opening to vaccine numbers that would put pressure on the government and the HSE to deliver the vaccines.

    Which vaccines is it you think aren't being delivered?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    Yes now it's clear.

    You don't understand the purpose of those repatriation flights.

    That does explain why you're confused.

    what was the purpose of the flights then? also please explain how you think the b117 variant got over here if not from the government flying people over from britain where b117 was first detected


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    what was the purpose of the flights then?

    Read my last 2 or 3 posts again, they're pretty unambiguous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    Never have I heard such bulls**t go unquestioned.

    - "Lockdown to protect the health service"
    - "The next two weeks are crucial" (On loop)
    - Masks don't work
    - Lockdown 1, lockdown 2, lockdown 3.0
    - "Close Airports"
    - Oh masks do work
    - Meat factories
    - "Let's close construction, despite all other countries keeping it open"
    - "Lets keep golf courses closed even though we know that your 17* less likely to contract covid outdoors"
    - Insert Thomas Ryan zero covid bulls**t here
    - Another billion for, you, and you, and you (Shure, dont worry, repaying this is someone else's problem)
    - Varient 1, varient 2, varient 3
    - Antigen tests anyone? NO, They might help us get out of lockdown quicker
    - No other country has a 5k limit (for this long anyway), Meehole:, sorry, I mean NPHET: "Eh lets keep the 5k, we don't want to give these loons (irish citizens) any luxuries"
    - NPHET: can we pull out that data from Google so we can see what these irish citizens have been upto lately! Oh, we've had several people go play golf, LOCKDOWN
    - Actually, vaccines might not stop you spreading the virus, lets stay shut until everyone has got the vaccine
    - Varient 4, varient 5
    - It's not enough to get the vulnerable vaccinated now, we need to get everyone vaccinated
    - Stillbirths...

    What have I missed?
    I find it impossible to believe one word this government say, God help any government TD that comes near my door during the next election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    Read my last 2 or 3 posts again, they're pretty unambiguous.

    Read my last 2 or 3 posts and answer my question as to where b117 originated from in ireland or are you afraid of admitting the government messed up? i don't think micheal or leo will hold it against you graham


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    It's a little sad that many of you think all this variant talk is nonsense.
    A couple of weeks ago we wiped the floor with good old covid for the third time. We pulverized it. It's pretty much extinct on the island of Ireland.

    The reason you're stuck in your gaf is because of B117. And it's not that NPHET is being overly cautious about the unknown, b117 has proven itself in multiple countries to being much more resilient.
    It's now a known. You guys just don't know it yet somehow.

    Not nonsense but a lot of the claims just don't seem evident in the real world. Allegedly it's twice as deadly but why weren't the deaths far higher then in the January wave in the UK for example? The UK saw similar number of hospitalisations from COVID in the second wave as the first, so we can assume level of infections in the winter wave were in the same ball park as the april wave last year, but death weren't noticeably higher at all. Excess deaths were generally lower in the second wave in the UK. So whatever about transmissibility, but it really does not look clear at all that it's killing twice as many people infected with it as back in April.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    Read my last 2 or 3 posts and answer my question as to where b117 originated from

    No idea how it got here, like yourself.

    I suspect it arrived here with multiple carriers.

    Then again, I'm not the one pretending I know it was brought in on flights to repatriate our own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    No idea how it got here, like yourself.

    I suspect it arrived here with multiple carriers.

    Then again, I'm not the one pretending I know it was brought in on flights to repatriate our own.

    so the flights coming from the uk and b117 becoming the dominant variant here and infection rates shooting up were entirely coincidental in your mind? cast iron logic there graham I'll finish up now you tell yourself whatever makes you feel better


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,420 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    How many stillbirths are there a year caused by the flu, anyone know? Would it be more or less than Covid in a year?
    Impact of flu during pregnancy

    Pregnant women are more likely to get complications due to changes in their heart and lung function. They are also more likely to be admitted to hospital and the Intensive Care Unit.

    Getting flu in pregnancy may also lead to premature birth, lower birth weight and even stillbirth. There is evidence that the vaccine reduces the rate of stillbirth by over 50%.The flu vaccine will also help protect newborn baby during their first few months of life.
    https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/flu-vaccination/flu-vaccine-pregnancy/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    jams100 wrote: »
    Never have I heard such bulls**t go unquestioned.
    - "Lockdown to protect the health service"
    - "The next two weeks are crucial" (On loop)
    - Masks don't work
    - Lockdown 1, lockdown 2, lockdown 3.0
    - "Close Airports"
    - Oh masks do work
    - Meat factories
    - "Let's close construction, despite all other countries keeping it open"
    - "Lets keep golf courses closed even though we know that your 17* less likely to contract covid outdoors"
    - Insert Thomas Ryan zero covid bulls**t here
    - Another billion for, you, and you, and you (Shure, dont worry, repaying this is someone else's problem)
    - Varient 1, varient 2, varient 3
    - Antigen tests anyone? NO, They might help us get out of lockdown quicker
    - No other country has a 5k limit (for this long anyway), Meehole:, sorry, I mean NPHET: "Eh lets keep the 5k, we don't want to give these loons (irish citizens) any luxuries"
    - NPHET: can we pull out that data from Google so we can see what these irish citizens have been upto lately! Oh, we've had several people go play golf, LOCKDOWN
    - Actually, vaccines might not stop you spreading the virus, lets stay shut until everyone has got the vaccine
    - Varient 4, varient 5
    - It's not enough to get the vulnerable vaccinated now, we need to get everyone vaccinated
    - Stillbirths...

    What have I missed?
    I find it impossible to believe one word this government say, God help any government TD that comes near my door during the next election.

    A lot obviously...

    Try living in lots of other EU country atm and you'll hear little different. Even the UK it is illegal to leave your residence currently (forget the 5 km here) and countries where they didn't get Christmas off such as Germany and are facing rising case numbers or are in deep dodo atm like Austria or Czechoslovakia. On and btw covid variants are seen as a significant issue around the world not just here But yeah keep up screaming it's just us - it's not you know.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Not nonsense but a lot of the claims just don't seem evident in the real world. Allegedly it's twice as deadly but why weren't the deaths far higher then in the January wave in the UK for example? The UK saw similar number of hospitalisations from COVID in the second wave as the first, so we can assume level of infections in the winter wave were in the same ball park as the april wave last year, but death weren't noticeably higher at all. Excess deaths were generally lower in the second wave in the UK. So whatever about transmissibility, but it really does not look clear at all that it's killing twice as many people infected with it as back in April.

    Who said it was killing twice as many people?

    It's heading towards twice as deadly for those that catch it. That's not the same thing.

    Study had been published in the British Medical Journal:
    https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    so the flights coming from the uk and b117 becoming the dominant variant here and infection rates shooting up were entirely coincidental

    I see you're confusing correlation and causation.

    Deliberately or do you really not understand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Graham wrote: »
    Who said it was killing twice as many people?

    It's heading towards twice as deadly for those that catch it. That's not the same thing.

    Study had been published in the British Medical Journal:
    https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

    Well yeh I know that but as I said hospitalisation rates were similar in both waves so you'd expect similar rate of people being infected, and hence around twice as many deaths seeing as the variant was was what became dominant in the second wave. Maybe I'm looking at it too simplistically but..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,274 ✭✭✭User1998


    JDxtra wrote: »
    If receiving a vaccine doesn't permit individuals any additional freedoms, you can start to see how we could end up with many people simply refusing one.

    Especially true for low risk healthy individuals where the risks of Covid are extremely low anyways.

    Definitely, I’m young and healthy, not an anti vaxer by any means but I have no reason to be vaccinated. I’ve never gotten a flu vaccine and I doubt I’l get this one. But if being vaccinated gave me more freedom then I would definitely take it.

    I don’t really agree with a two tier system of society but I think a ‘vaccine passport’ so to speak wouldn’t be a bad idea for 3-6 months


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Graham wrote: »
    I see you're confusing correlation and causation.

    Deliberately or do you really not understand?

    so where did b117 the UK variant arrive in the country other than from the uk when we were flying thousands of people over from the uk? do you want me to make it even more simple for you graham?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Maybe I'm looking at it too simplistically but..

    Could be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    gozunda wrote: »
    A lot obviously...

    Try living in lots of other EU country atm and you'll hear little different. Even the UK it is illegal to leave your residence currently (forget the 5 km here) and countries where they didn't get Christmas off such as Germany and are facing rising case numbers or are in deep dodo atm like Austria or Czechoslovakia. On and btw covid variants are seen as a significant issue around the world not just here But yeah keep up screaming it's just us - it's not you know.

    It's not illegal to leave your residence in the UK, not only that, but in the likes of Scotland your allowed play golf, which is common f**king sense!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    jams100 wrote: »
    It's not illegal to leave your residence in the UK, not only that, but in the likes of Scotland your allowed play golf, which is common f**king sense!!!

    you're trying to fact check the guy who said nigeria and the uk have the same obesity rate last week and then backtracked once he was called out and said he meant the middle class. facts jumped out the window for him ages ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭acequion


    gozunda wrote: »
    A lot obviously...

    Try living in lots of other EU country atm and you'll hear little different. Even the UK it is illegal to leave your residence currently (forget the 5 km here) and countries where they didn't get Christmas off such as Germany and are facing rising case numbers or are in deep dodo atm like Austria or Czechoslovakia. On and btw covid variants are seen as a significant issue around the world not just here But yeah keep up screaming it's just us - it's not you know.

    Ah will you get over yourself with that rubbish!! Have you been living under a stone?? Do you seriously believe other countries are as bad as here or are you desperately trying to convince yourself??

    We've had one of the strictest regimes in the world, that's been well flagged and boasted about by none other than the Govt themselves. Other countries are now talking of easing soon but no budge here. Many other countries have had several sectors open, albeit with restrictions. We have the harshest travel restrictions in the EU.

    You may be a cheerleader for all this and I think you are but there are less and less people agreeing with you, more and more people utterly sick of all this and even more sick of the constant doom and gloom, the persistent lack of any glimmer of hope, the can constantly being kicked down the road, while goalposts keep getting moved.

    That poster missed little if anything, but you're missing a lot!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ypres5 wrote: »
    so where did b117 the UK variant arrive in the country other than from the uk when we were flying thousands of people over from the uk? do you want me to make it even more simple for you graham?

    Oh, you're still at that one. ok

    What percentage of December arrivals into the country came via the repatriation flights?

    Was the new variant already in the country at that stage?

    What would you have done with those that were returning home (not just coming over for the holidays)?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for tightening restrictions on international travel for non-essential purposes as a temporary measure. I'd be quite happy to see the current namby pamby fine approach dropped in favour of something much more persuasive.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    jams100 wrote: »
    It's not illegal to leave your residence in the UK

    I have fantastic news for you.

    It's not illegal to leave your residence here in Ireland either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭acequion


    Graham wrote: »
    Oh, you're still at that one. ok

    What percentage of December arrivals into the country came via the repatriation flights?

    Was the new variant already in the country at that stage?

    What would you have done with those that were returning home (not just coming over for the holidays)?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for tightening restrictions on international travel for non-essential purposes as a temporary measure. I'd be quite happy to see the current namby pamby fine approach dropped in favour of something much more persuasive.

    Meaning???? Much more punitive perhaps? As if it isn't punitive enough!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    Graham wrote: »
    I have fantastic news for you.

    It's not illegal to leave your residence here in Ireland either.

    Whats your point?

    I never said it was illegal, I was correcting a previous commentor who said it was illegal in the UK


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    acequion wrote: »
    Meaning???? Much more punitive perhaps? As if it isn't punitive enough!!

    Yes, when it comes to non essential international travel I do mean much more punitive.

    So you have a check-up with the dentist in Lanzarote and your Mrs is accompanying you. I'll just take your passports if you'd like to follow me.

    So you're out on bail for dangerous driving and you've checked in for the Madrid flight this afternoon. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

    I'm sorry sir, the quota for paying the €500 fine to continue your holiday was reached several days ago. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

    I'm sure you get the gist...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 452 ✭✭Sharpyshoot


    The suggestion of hospitality not opening this year is absurd. Why can’t the government make a road map out of this depression?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    The suggestion of hospitality not opening this year is absurd.

    I'd probably agree.

    Who suggested it?


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