Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

retro:electro · 11-03-2021 06:43PM

Some noise being made now in the hairdressing industry. Happy to see it

Deusexmachina · 11-03-2021 06:44PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Irish Times: Sources say the Government will adopt a “minimalist approach” for the next six-week plan, which will last until May 23rd, and would not bow to sectoral interests.

These leaks. Designed to soften the blow and re-set expectations. A bunch of ****ing cowards.

Deusexmachina · 11-03-2021 06:45PM

They will bow to electoral interests however.

BringBackMick · 11-03-2021 06:45PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1370063314642931716

2 visits? Why two visits? Are NPHET still dicatating these poor old people's lives just for the sake of it, it seems completely arbitrary and limiting for absolutely no reason. LIke are they proected by the vaccination or not? And if they are then why is there need for limits to people coming to see them? And if it doesn't protect them well then there's some explanations that need to be given, but positivity rate in nursing homes is 0.2%, which makes me think it is indeed a load of bull****.

These people are in their 80s and 90's and are living their last few years on earth, and will be gifted 2 hours of contact with the outside world for the foreseeable . after a year of immense loneliness and hardship . Absolutely cruel, vaccine is supposed to be a saviour, but they're still being treated like caged animals.

Disgusting. What has happened us.

Thanking our new NEPHET overlords for allowing us to visit our near and dear in PPE and not even allowed to hug them

They are out of control

titan18 · 11-03-2021 06:49PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Some noise being made now in the hairdressing industry. Happy to see it

It's the only thing I really want. Badly need a haircut at this stage. Just to allow me to feel somewhat normal.

Bunch of bald men making the decisions though.

normanoffside · 11-03-2021 06:59PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Disgusting. What has happened us.

Thanking our new NEPHET overlords for allowing us to visit our near and dear in PPE and not even allowed to hug them

They are out of control

Journalists just report these stories as NPHET making the laws and no-one bats an eyelid,

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1370066942858555392

Charles Babbage · 11-03-2021 07:09PM

wakka12 wrote: »

All sense of perspective is gradually being lost..first it was to protect the health system becoming overwhelmed, then to prevent unacceptably high mortality rates(both of which most people would agree were important goals to reach )..but then it was to save every vulnerable person who will eventually benefit from the new vaccine as rollout began, now it's to just stop anybody in Ireland from ever contracting covid ever again..at the same point int he timeline that vaccine will be there saving anybody who was actually at risk of dying from it. Absolute madness I actually cannot believe so many people are still supporting it. I played along a long time but the fact we've been in this a year now with likely many more months of this to go if NPHET had their way is the wakeup call to reality a lot of people might need.

Deaths can be reduced, but if you let rip there will still be many hospitalisation and those suffering from other diseases (often mentioned in rants here) will see their waiting lists increase yet again. Half the people in ICU were < 65 and that group has not yet been vaccinated.

normanoffside · 11-03-2021 07:10PM

Here's the Department of health officially thanking their bosses NPHET for letting them do something

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1370069926002708488

CrowdedHouse · 11-03-2021 07:19PM

Ah shur relax them yourself

https://twitter.com/Longford_Leader/status/1370071655041560576?s=20

jackryan34 · 11-03-2021 07:20PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Disgusting. What has happened us.

Thanking our new NEPHET overlords for allowing us to visit our near and dear in PPE and not even allowed to hug them

They are out of control

Why any restrictions

****ing joke

Vaccines work

Pepsirebel · 11-03-2021 07:31PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

To you because you are not getting your way.

I think they are doing a good job atm and this is shown in the trajectory of the virus in the country.

It's results that matter.

I think they are doing a poor job atm and this is shown in the trajectory of the morale in the country.

Results do matter....but the have poor results - communications fail, vaccine roll out organisation fail, border control fail and on it goes

FintanMcluskey · 11-03-2021 07:43PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Here's the Department of health officially thanking their bosses NPHET for letting them do something

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1370069926002708488

Last time we blamed the bond holders

This time the blame will be on NPHET

Monster249 · 11-03-2021 07:44PM

Pepsirebel wrote: »

I think they are doing a poor job atm and this is shown in the trajectory of the morale in the country.

Results do matter....but the have poor results - communications fail, vaccine roll out organisation fail, border control fail and on it goes

Our results are shocking for the amount of time we've been in lockdown.

Deusexmachina · 11-03-2021 07:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Last time we blamed the bond holders

This time the blame will be on NPHET

Nope - we didn't blame the bond holders . Many rightly felt that investors with bonds should take the same medicine as the rest of us did. Except they didn't. They got their money while we got massive debt.

I have seen nobody blame NPHET for the pandemic. Many of us however feel they have over reached on their remit.

FintanMcluskey · 11-03-2021 07:59PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Nope - we didn't blame the bond holders . Many rightly felt that investors with bonds should take the same medicine as the rest of us did. Except they didn't. They got their money while we got massive debt.

I have seen nobody blame NPHET for the pandemic. Many of us however feel they have over reached on their remit.

I didn’t claim NPHET caused the pandemic

They approach they insisted in following has seen our economy obliterated to a level that was not necessary

AlekSmart · 11-03-2021 08:43PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I’m fairly sure you posted this about two weeks ago. You must be on the wind up.

Sadly,it appears to be a valid honest post reflecting a,by now,entrenched World view clouded by doom and gloom and a need to be told what to do.

I know the Jonathan Sumption opinions relate to the UK,but he does reference some rather long held and basic rules of civilized society....

https://unherd.com/2021/03/lord-sumption-civil-disobedience-has-begun/

Sometimes the most public spirited thing that you can do with despotic laws like these is to ignore them. I think that if the government persists long enough with locking people down, depending on the severity of the lockdown, civil disobedience is likely to be the result. It will be discrete civil disobedience in the classic English way — I don’t think that we are likely to go onto the streets waving banners. I think we will just calmly decide that we are not going to pay any attention to this.

There is an example of his reasoning here,and I rather suspect it sits well with our current Republic..

You have to have a high degree of respect, both for the object that the law is trying to achieve, and for the way that it’s been achieved. Some laws invite breach. I think this is one of them.”

Here,Sumption sums up the real failing of Government in all of this....

On what the Government should learn:

“ Governments should not treat information as a tool for manipulating public behaviour. They should be calmer than the majority of their citizens; they should be completely objective. Governments dealing with scientific issues should not allow themselves to be influenced by a single caucus of scientists. They should always test what they are being told in a way that, for instance, judges test expert opinion by producing a counter expert, and working out which set of views stacks up best.”

Sadly,our Republic currently appears to have a lack of anybody willing or able to be a voice for reason,in what is rapidly becoming a farcical,yet fatal charade. :mad:

Boggles · 11-03-2021 09:06PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

I know the Jonathan Sumption opinions relate to the UK

Doesn't stop you from constantly bringing him up here and trying to shoe horn him in.

He wants total civil disobedience and everyone in the UK to break the restrictions now.

Given their vaccination and reopening plan, that is probably one of the dumbest fúcking things that has been suggested throughout this whole pandemic.

And there has some dumb fúcking things suggested.

RGS · 11-03-2021 09:11PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40242596.html

And on cue heres the NHPET opening gambit in ensuring restrictions are not lifted in any way come 5 April.

We all know the government do have the liathriodi to push back.

AlekSmart · 11-03-2021 09:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

Doesn't stop you from constantly bringing him up here and trying to shoe horn him in.

He wants total civil disobedience and everyone in the UK to break the restrictions now.

Given their vaccination and reopening plan, that is probably one of the dumbest fúcking things that has been suggested throughout this whole pandemic.

And there has some dumb fúcking things suggested.

Apart from the ff'in & blindin,is that the job lot of your response ?

Boggles · 11-03-2021 09:19PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Apart from the ff'in & blindin,is that the job lot of your response ?

Just to add, he reminds me of this guy.

Loafing Oaf · 11-03-2021 09:20PM

Boggles wrote: »

He wants total civil disobedience and everyone in the UK to break the restrictions now.

Given their vaccination and reopening plan, that is probably one of the dumbest fúcking things that has been suggested throughout this whole pandemic.

And there has some dumb fúcking things suggested.

Still think this takes the biscuit

We should have told Pfizer look we'll pay over the odds to what the EU are paying for our side deal. However if we don't get priority, we'll make life very difficult for you in your Irish factorys. Accidents may happen.

It's what real Big Dick leadership looks like.

Rezident · 11-03-2021 09:38PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Lockdown until March 5th we were told, then it got extended to April now May.. what’s to stop them coming out at the start of May and extending it until June? “We’re still not where we need to be”.. tbh that’s what they probably will do because the best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. Bar two weeks reprieve in December, when May rolls around we will have been in level 4/5 lockdown for EIGHT MONTHS. Absolute lunacy.

Totally agree, except half of us are openly ignoring the lockdown every day and have never caught covid, so will continue to do so regardless. Restrictions like no cycling more than 5km from your home are risible and will be treated accordingly.

They should have done a proper lockdown a year ago, too late now, no one in their right mind is going to listen to this joke of a government at this stage, it's just human nature. I genuinely feel sorry for all the people needlessly sacrificing their lives for no good reason, I really do.

titan18 · 11-03-2021 10:00PM

Rezident wrote: »

Totally agree, except half of us are openly ignoring the lockdown every day and have never caught covid, so will continue to do so regardless. Restrictions like no cycling more than 5km from your home are risible and will be treated accordingly.

They should have done a proper lockdown a year ago, too late now, no one in their right mind is going to listen to this joke of a government at this stage, it's just human nature. I genuinely feel sorry for all the people needlessly sacrificing their lives for no good reason, I really do.

Hard to ignore lockdown though. 5k is easy but you still can't go into gyms, cinemas, pubs, restaurants, hairdressers or most shops. 5k is about the only one easy to ignore.

User1998 · 11-03-2021 10:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

To you because you are not getting your way.

I think they are doing a good job atm and this is shown in the trajectory of the virus in the country.

It's results that matter.

‘They’ are not doing a good job.

We, the general public, are the ones doing a good job, putting up with this nonsense for the past year and restricting our whole lives for a small minority of society that don’t even appreciate it and probably never will.

‘They’ are just twiddling their thumbs dragging these restrictions out as long as they possibly can

FintanMcluskey · 11-03-2021 10:17PM

Boggles wrote: »

Just to add, he reminds me of this guy.

Yeah he’s a typical satirical drunkard

Never did much of note

PTH2009 · 11-03-2021 10:29PM

I'm guessing the argument 'we can reopen once the vulnerable are vaccinated' has been squashed by NPHET

hynesie08 · 11-03-2021 10:42PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'm guessing the argument 'we can reopen once the vulnerable are vaccinated' has been squashed by NPHET

Are the vulnerable fully vaccinated?

bb1234567 · 11-03-2021 10:45PM

Rezident wrote: »

Totally agree, except half of us are openly ignoring the lockdown every day and have never caught covid, so will continue to do so regardless. Restrictions like no cycling more than 5km from your home are risible and will be treated accordingly.

They should have done a proper lockdown a year ago, too late now, no one in their right mind is going to listen to this joke of a government at this stage, it's just human nature. I genuinely feel sorry for all the people needlessly sacrificing their lives for no good reason, I really do.

No people are not ignoring lockdown, seeing as it's not possible to ignore the fact most activities that form part of ritual of normal life have been removed or made impossible to access or perform .

JDxtra · 11-03-2021 10:57PM

If receiving a vaccine doesn't permit individuals any additional freedoms, you can start to see how we could end up with many people simply refusing one.

Especially true for low risk healthy individuals where the risks of Covid are extremely low anyways.

SnuggyBear · 11-03-2021 10:59PM

Looking at a prime time feature on the health system and its hard to not see us in lockdown come winter.

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