Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

pjohnson · 11-03-2021 09:15AM

titan18 wrote: »

There's one planned for St Patricks Day in Dublin isn't there

I'd have assumed it was cancelled? FFS How many more arrests are need before people see sense and stop.

_Kaiser_ · 11-03-2021 09:15AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Leo in newstalk talking about all businesses bouncing back

Something Alan Partridge often referenced he had to do

He's also trying to downplay the reports in the papers, saying that things are still being considered etc

_Kaiser_ · 11-03-2021 09:20AM

pjohnson wrote: »

I'd have assumed it was cancelled? FFS How many more arrests are need before people see sense and stop.

I have a better question (and I'll open it up to others of your mindset)..

How many more months of this is needed before you have had enough?

You (and certain others here ) are great at criticising others for their frustration and anger, and downplaying it at every opportunity.

I'd like to know how much is enough for you?

suicide_circus · 11-03-2021 09:22AM

pjohnson wrote: »

I'd have assumed it was cancelled? FFS How many more arrests are need before people see sense and stop.

Do you have any issue with the hundreds of thousands of people disobeying the restrictions on a day to day basis or is just the protesting you dont like?

Multipass · 11-03-2021 09:23AM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-19-lockdown-to-extend-as-states-hands-tied-by-vaccine-shortages-1094224.html

‘Government members said the country was “on course” to extend the 5km limit, resume some outdoor activities and reopen construction but warned that just one big outbreak could destabilise matters.’

On course? But with no map, no-one steering the wheel, and no idea where we’re going. We’re on that bus in Father Ted, on a roundabout, with Dougal driving. The farce that is the 5km limit because the government can’t sort out their legislation. And they talk of one day ‘extending’ it - what to 10 km? And the saddest thing is that some of the population will see that as wonderful.

_Kaiser_ · 11-03-2021 09:24AM

JRant wrote: »

I don't know if even that would make any difference. MM is the weakest leader we've had in a long time and is afraid to make a single decision on his own, the very definition of paralysis by analysis.

I agree about Martin, but I think if we saw that level of pushback, the likes of Leo (ever trying to keep up with the trends) or elements in FF itself will make the decision for him.

jusvi2001 · 11-03-2021 09:24AM

Agree. this is not going anywhere..the only expert advice we get is lock down everything and stay at home. we don't need experts to tell that. They have no regards for peoples mental health or people with non covid related illness, huge economic impact and job loss. our politicians and health system and so called experts failed us. the only thing happened in health system in last 10 years is they hired more pen pushers than workers like doctors, nurses and other support staff.

And media if you say anything against lock down if you will labelled as far right

_Kaiser_ · 11-03-2021 09:32AM

jusvi2001 wrote: »

And media if you say anything against lock down if you will labelled as far right

This is one of the most ridiculous issues about the situation.

This is Ireland! The land of political apathy, "it'll be grand", where people just go along with, or put up with almost anything, with an instinctive need to be liked and approved of by others - particularly those abroad - and rush to be "on message" with whatever is trending on Twitter.

We don't even have a "right" anymore, let alone a "far right" FFS. This is not America. If nothing else comes from this whole mess then I hope people realise the damage that trying to copy/paste US identity politics and issues into Ireland is having on our society and social cohesion.

Boggles · 11-03-2021 09:37AM

Probes wrote: »

About 15% of deaths in Israel are people that are fully vaccinated. There is a reason why virus numbers need to be controlled until the bulk of the population are vaccinated.

No they aren't, the graph you linked to is confusing and may give that impression.

https://twitter.com/yuvharpaz/status/1367074640577892353

Out of those who were tested for the coronavirus at least a week after their second shot, less than 1 percent tested positive, and less than 0.2% developed COVID-19 symptoms

The data shows that out of 3,387,340 vaccinated people who had had more than a week pass after receiving their second vaccine dose, only 4,711 were found to be positive for the virus and of those, only 907 developed symptoms, including fever or respiratory problems.

Of the 6,095 coronavirus patients hospitalized in serious or critical condition since the start of Israel’s vaccination campaign, only 175, or 2.87 percent, had received the second vaccination dose, the figures show.

Less than 3% go on to develop serious or critical conditions.

ingo1984 · 11-03-2021 09:38AM

Elessar wrote: »

Lovely. Just lovey.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40241999.html

Less than 200 cases a day and an r number of 0.5 before restrictions can be eased.

Mid May at the earliest before MAYBE you might be able to go to a socially-distanced shop for something other than cornflakes and milk, or even click and collect.

And we Irish will just sit back, moan and do nothing about it.

Since last October Dublin has averaged over 200 cases a day, nevermind the whole country. We haven't a hope.

suicide_circus · 11-03-2021 09:41AM

I want off this island permanently.

JRant · 11-03-2021 09:42AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't, the graph you linked to is confusing and may give that impression.

https://twitter.com/yuvharpaz/status/1367074640577892353

Less than 3% go on to develop serious or critical conditions.

It's figures like this that show the incredible leaps made in science over the past 12 months.

Hector Savage · 11-03-2021 09:42AM

Multipass wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-19-lockdown-to-extend-as-states-hands-tied-by-vaccine-shortages-1094224.html

‘Government members said the country was “on course” to extend the 5km limit, resume some outdoor activities and reopen construction but warned that just one big outbreak could destabilise matters.’

On course? But with no map, no-one steering the wheel, and no idea where we’re going. We’re on that bus in Father Ted, on a roundabout, with Dougal driving. The farce that is the 5km limit because the government can’t sort out their legislation. And they talk of one day ‘extending’ it - what to 10 km? And the saddest thing is that some of the population will see that as wonderful.

Looking like extending it to 5.2KM by August 2022 ...

RGS · 11-03-2021 09:47AM

Having caught the last bit of Leo on Newstalk .

Denied that the government are looking at the 2000 cases a day route---stated they are not looking at specific figures.

Indicated end of April for possible further easing of restrictions including barbers opening, this despite the Irish Times report stating 23 May was the day for review and Martin indicating in the dail that review would be 6 weeks after the 5 april, that's the middle of may.

as usual leo just being leo.

And he had the cheek to suggest he should be careful about answering questions in case he could be accused of kite flying.

The government need to appoint one point man, and every other minister should just STFU, to discuss the matter.

SnuggyBear · 11-03-2021 09:47AM

On course to lift the 5k limit lol

shtpEdthePlum · 11-03-2021 09:53AM

Leo is a rat. He wouldn't know integrity if it stuck its cock up his ass. This year has been more painful than many of the personal tragedies I've experienced throughout my life, so I guess I'm lucky in many ways. Everyone is enduring various levels of hardship but it just feels like it's disproportionately dealt. One rule for us and another for politicians and the media. Tyranny has set in so suddenly and there are no signs of it abating.

I wouldn't have attended a protest before (very worried about covid) but I think I will hang out on the fringes of the next one in Cork because I can't actually take this anymore.

RGS · 11-03-2021 09:54AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

On course to lift the 5k limit lol

Be careful snuggybear you might have a coronary with the excitement at that news.

Hector Savage · 11-03-2021 09:55AM

normanoffside wrote: »

For context

https://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1367247834597130241

So what was his point ? it's misinformed and wrong to think we can open up as vaccinations increase ?

wtf ? another doom infinite lockdown merchant..

Boggles · 11-03-2021 09:55AM

JRant wrote: »

It's figures like this that show the incredible leaps made in science over the past 12 months.

Yeah, Pfizer-BioNTech have knocked it out of the park on the first swing.

If the data stays strong, we should be making our deals for next year now to have them as the majority vaccine.

Leftwaffe · 11-03-2021 09:58AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't, the graph you linked to is confusing and may give that impression.

https://twitter.com/yuvharpaz/status/1367074640577892353

Less than 3% go on to develop serious or critical conditions.

Wonderful. I knew he had to be wrong.

Hector Savage · 11-03-2021 10:08AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not at all. I just accepted near the start that this was going to a long term problem with a lot of damage on many levels.

Some posters here are still in the denial phase.

I find that fascinating.

Anyhow we are on the right track, all the indicators are in the right direction, people see light at the end of the tunnel.

Why would we take that from people with a premature opening and then the inevitable 4th lockdown?

When enough people vaccinated (and hopefully that works) we won't need more lockdowns.

That has to be the target. Anything else is reckless.

Got it.

More lockdown to avoid another lockdown.

The mentall illness is staggering

Hector Savage · 11-03-2021 10:10AM

Spains incident rate rising again - the doom mongerers are out in force here and want another hard lockdown.

And this crap about wanting to get the R number to 0.5 in Ireland before relaxing restrictions, wasn't the original goal to get it to <1 ?

So when R approaches 0.5, will they shift that to "0.2 before easing restrictions" ?

lee_baby_simms · 11-03-2021 10:21AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Spains incident rate rising again - the doom mongerers are out in force here and want another hard lockdown.

And this crap about wanting to get the R number to 0.5 in Ireland before relaxing restrictions, wasn't the original goal to get it to <1 ?

So when R approaches 0.5, will they shift that to "0.2 before easing restrictions" ?

Absolutely. That’s how the public have been herded since the start of this.

Strip everyone of their basic entitlements and pump them so full of fear that they’ll be grateful for any scraps of normality that you periodically throw them.

Hooked · 11-03-2021 10:28AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Absolutely. That’s how the public have been herded since the start of this.

Strip everyone of their basic entitlements and pump them so full of fear that they’ll be grateful for any scraps of normality that you periodically throw them.

THIS. 1000%

What's worse - is now that they know how easily they can control most of us...
What's stopping them from using these tactics in the future.

It's depressing how easily we rolled over and allowed them to destroy our health/the economy/etc...

LuckyLloyd · 11-03-2021 10:32AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Most restrictions to be extended to late May now.

Covid-19: Key lockdown restrictions set to last until late May (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-key-lockdown-restrictions-set-to-last-until-late-may-1.4506908

So basically they're repeating the "plan" from this time last year, with the latest excuse now being vaccine shortages.

The difference of course is that last year it was a legitimate strategy because we hadn't enough information about the risks or dangers from CV-19. This year we know that 99% of the population in this country are at little to no significant risk from it.

It's clear to me at this stage that the only way this will change is Irish Water-style mass protests and people refusing to engage with the restrictions - just as how people refusing to register or pay led to the scrapping of charges.

It’ll all end soon, and protest will have nothing to do with it. Vaccine data is wonderful. Couple more months and we’ll have a critical mass vaccinated and then restrictions can ease. End is in sight. Work to end it all proceeds every hour. We’re getting there.

Hector Savage · 11-03-2021 10:40AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It’ll all end soon, and protest will have nothing to do with it. Vaccine data is wonderful. Couple more months and we’ll have a critical mass vaccinated and then restrictions can ease. End is in sight. Work to end it all proceeds every hour. We’re getting there.

Seriously hope you're right, my fear is they'll just harp on about resistant variants to prolong it all.

Russman · 11-03-2021 10:48AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This year we know that 99% of the population in this country are at little to no significant risk from it.

Hasn't the data shown that around 5.1% of cases have been hospitalised ? Think it was posted on the main thread a few days ago.

Hector Savage · 11-03-2021 10:53AM

Russman wrote: »

Hasn't the data shown that around 5.1% of cases have been hospitalised ? Think it was posted on the main thread a few days ago.

5.1% of cases - and that isn't even 5.1% of total cases as a lot of people are unaware they even have it.

lee_baby_simms · 11-03-2021 10:54AM

Russman wrote: »

Hasn't the data shown that around 5.1% of cases have been hospitalised ? Think it was posted on the main thread a few days ago.

But confirmed cases only cover 4% of the population.

So 5% of cases requiring hospitalisation is 0.2% of the population.

Klonker · 11-03-2021 10:55AM

Probes wrote: »

About 15% of deaths in Israel are people that are fully vaccinated. There is a reason why virus numbers need to be controlled until the bulk of the population are vaccinated.

What you say may be right but it's presented in a misleading way. 15% of deaths may be people vaccinated, some just vaccinated so may not have built up strong protection yet. But the people who are vaccinated are 90% of people aged 50+. These people if by going by Irelands stats would make up about 95%+ of deaths and now its 15% of deaths. OK this is very rough figures as there's roughly 10% of over 50s not vaccinated but it still paints a very good picture of the vaccine.

The way you posted makes it sound like if 100 were previously dieing before vaccine now 15 are dieing after vaccine. This would actually be still very good but the data points to the vaccine being a lot lot better than that. Vaccine won't work for everyone, particularly very old people with very weak immune systems so we'll still have a small number of vaccinated people dieing with covid.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings