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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #5192
    Shelga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,054 ✭✭✭Shelga


    fin12 wrote: »
    Sure all the pr*cks calling the shots are all partnered up so don’t give a f*ck about anyone wanted to form relationships and biological clocks ticking don’t give two f*cks about that either. Ah it’s just sickening stuff.

    I'm nearly 34, female, single. Desperate to buy a place and move on with my life. Every night for the last year I've just eaten dinner with my parents and then watched telly.

    Have no idea when property viewings will be happening again, zero communication from the government on dates. The property market in Dublin is horrifying. Especially if you're single. People entering crazy bidding wars.

    Can't get a house, can't get a vaccine, and the next 4/5 months look like the exact same routine, day after day, that it's been for the last 12. I can't be the only one lying awake at night, feeling so anxious about this stuff. Sick of saving for years on end with no end in sight.

    There's not much joy in life anymore. And it very much feels like families and people with children are all that matter to the government. It feels like that's all I ever hear about.

    If the housing situation wasn't a complete mess, I wouldn't feel as resentful towards the government. Not a single area of my life is moving forward and I'm sure a lot of single people feel the same. It's very depressing :(


  • #5193
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Monster249 wrote: »
    You're really oblivious to the social and economic consequences of lockdown for months and months on end. Really and

    How so when I have just told you there would be worse consequences by undoing the gains made which is what prematurely opening up would do?

    It's you oblivious to the consequences of lockdown. I want to see us get out and stay out.

    You want a fast track route back to December.


  • #5194
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Shelga wrote: »
    I'm nearly 34, female, single. Desperate to buy a place and move on with my life. Every night for the last year I've just eaten dinner with my parents and then watched telly.

    Have no idea when property viewings will be happening again, zero communication from the government on dates. The property market in Dublin is horrifying. Especially if you're single. People entering crazy bidding wars.

    Can't get a house, can't get a vaccine, and the next 4/5 months look like the exact same routine, day after day, that it's been for the last 12. I can't be the only one lying awake at night, feeling so anxious about this stuff. Sick of saving for years on end with no end in sight.

    There's not much joy in life anymore. And it very much feels like families and people with children are all that matter to the government. It feels like that's all I ever hear about.

    If the housing situation wasn't a complete mess, I wouldn't feel as resentful towards the government. Not a single area of my life is moving forward and I'm sure a lot of single people feel the same. It's very depressing :(

    I’m married with no kids and a lot of what you’ve posted has resonated with me. And with my wife.

    Just know that you’re not alone.


  • #5195
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Shelga wrote: »
    I'm nearly 34, female, single. Desperate to buy a place and move on with my life. Every night for the last year I've just eaten dinner with my parents and then watched telly.

    Have no idea when property viewings will be happening again, zero communication from the government on dates. The property market in Dublin is horrifying. Especially if you're single. People entering crazy bidding wars.

    Can't get a house, can't get a vaccine, and the next 4/5 months look like the exact same routine, day after day, that it's been for the last 12. I can't be the only one lying awake at night, feeling so anxious about this stuff. Sick of saving for years on end with no end in sight.

    There's not much joy in life anymore. And it very much feels like families and people with children are all that matter to the government. It feels like that's all I ever hear about.

    If the housing situation wasn't a complete mess, I wouldn't feel as resentful towards the government. Not a single area of my life is moving forward and I'm sure a lot of single people feel the same. It's very depressing :(

    Dont consider buying now, the fall in Ireland will be as bad as 2008 - the bidding wars don't reveal that not much is actually changing hands.

    They really don't care about families and children either.

    The Irish government is a shambolic mess, keep your head as best you can, things will get better.


  • #5196
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    How so when I have just told you there would be worse consequences by undoing the gains made which is what prematurely opening up would do?

    It's you oblivious to the consequences of lockdown. I want to see us get out and stay out.

    You want a fast track route back to December.

    There isn't any reasonable rationale they can use for another lockdown regardless of case numbers once everyone's vaccinated, they just need to deal with it because there's no endgame if that's the case.

    I'm saying by April, the cases are low enough to be at least level 3, especially with the level of vaccinations projected for Q2. If you disagree, then you're in the same ultra-conservative, spineless mind-frame the government are in and it's going against the rest of Europe.


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  • #5197
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Claire Byrne Live poll

    lol


  • #5198
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Monster249 wrote: »
    If you disagree, then you're in the same ultra-conservative, spineless mind-frame the government are in and it's going against the rest of Europe.

    Not at all. I just accepted near the start that this was going to a long term problem with a lot of damage on many levels.

    Some posters here are still in the denial phase.

    I find that fascinating.

    Anyhow we are on the right track, all the indicators are in the right direction, people see light at the end of the tunnel.

    Why would we take that from people with a premature opening and then the inevitable 4th lockdown?

    When enough people vaccinated (and hopefully that works) we won't need more lockdowns.

    That has to be the target. Anything else is reckless.


  • #5199
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Not at all. I just accepted near the start that this was going to a long term problem with a lot of damage on many levels.

    Some posters here are still in the denial phase.

    I find that fascinating.

    Anyhow we are on the right track, all the indicators are in the right direction, people see light at the end of the tunnel.

    Why would would we take that from people from a premature opening and then the inevitable 4th lockdown?

    When enough people vaccinated (and hopefully that works) we won't need more lockdowns.

    That has to be the target. Anything else is reckless.

    You glossed over the fact that there is no rationale for a lockdown when everyone's vaccinated. We cannot lockdown periodically forever if the vaccines don't do the job. That's it and thankfully the government won't be able to afford that which is good news for everyone who doesn't love lockdowns.

    No one will change your mind so this is pointless.


  • #5200
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Monster249 wrote: »
    You glossed over the fact that there is no rationale for a lockdown when everyone's vaccinated. We cannot lockdown periodically forever if the vaccines don't do the job. That's it and thankfully the government won't be able to afford that which is good news for everyone who doesn't love lockdowns.

    No one will change your mind so this is pointless.

    Seems to be going over your head but you are making my argument for me.

    I want everyone vaccinated as quickly as possible to avoid restrictions.

    And I don't want the country taking stupid risks in the mean time.


  • #5201
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Monster249 wrote: »
    You glossed over the fact that there is no rationale for a lockdown when everyone's vaccinated. We cannot lockdown periodically forever if the vaccines don't do the job. That's it and thankfully the government won't be able to afford that which is good news for everyone who doesn't love lockdowns.

    No one will change your mind so this is pointless.

    Jesus you are right... they really are backing themselves into a corner, the vaccines and the distribution of vaccines must come at a massive cost to the State, on top of the cost of the severe lock downs can't be good...not to mention the destruction of the local economies around the country...our policies are so abysmal they can't be sustained...I'm starting to feel just a little bit better!!!


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  • #5202
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Not at all. I just accepted near the start that this was going to a long term problem with a lot of damage on many levels.

    Some posters here are still in the denial phase.

    I find that fascinating.

    Anyhow we are on the right track, all the indicators are in the right direction, people see light at the end of the tunnel.

    Why would we take that from people with a premature opening and then the inevitable 4th lockdown?

    When enough people vaccinated (and hopefully that works) we won't need more lockdowns.

    That has to be the target. Anything else is reckless.

    I take immunosuppressant medication for a serious underlying condition. I also have sky high blood pressure managed by meds.
    I rang my hospital (St Vincents) today to find out if/when I would be vaccinated.
    The senior nurse told me that they have no idea.
    Not for me, not for their cancer patients, not for their renal patients, not for anyone.
    No idea. No information. They are astonished apparently.

    Right path my arse.


  • #5203
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    I take immunosuppressant medication for a serious underlying condition. I also have sky high blood pressure managed by meds.
    I rang my hospital (St Vincents) today to find out if/when I would be vaccinated.
    The senior nurse told me that they have no idea.
    Not for me, not for their cancer patients, not for their renal patients, not for anyone.
    No idea. No information. They are astonished apparently.

    Right path my arse.

    That guy lives in some fantasy land, unaffected by anything. He's literally oblivious to everything


  • #5204
    KanyeSouthEast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    Monster249 wrote: »
    You're really oblivious to the social and economic consequences of lockdown for months and months on end. Really and truly oblivious.

    "What's a few more months of lockdown? Everything's going great!"

    It's like you're being paid a salary to not utilize brain power.

    Same poster for some reason seems to want blizzards and heavy snow to engulf the country also.


  • #5205
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    I take immunosuppressant medication for a serious underlying condition. I also have sky high blood pressure managed by meds.
    I rang my hospital (St Vincents) today to find out if/when I would be vaccinated.
    The senior nurse told me that they have no idea.
    Not for me, not for their cancer patients, not for their renal patients, not for anyone.
    No idea. No information. They are astonished apparently.

    Right path my arse.

    I appreciate that and obviously it's unfortunate but that's also an EU problem.

    I say many times the country should be trying to source vaccines independently as well as take in EU supply.

    I don't see why there is not greater effort there.

    Regardless things are progressing and that's the main thing.


  • #5206
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I appreciate that and obviously it's unfortunate but that's also an EU problem.

    I say many times the country should be trying to source vaccines independently as well as take in EU supply.

    I don't see why there is not greater effort there.

    Regardless things are progressing and that's the main thing.

    I would genuinely love to run a simulation to see at what point would you actually question our almighty governments choices.


  • #5207
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    Monster249 wrote: »
    I would genuinely love to run a simulation to see at what point would you actually question our almighty governments choices.

    The government bots are programmed to never question the choices.


  • #5208
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Monster249 wrote: »
    I would genuinely love to run a simulation to see at what point would you actually question our almighty governments choices.

    I suspect it might be far simpler, cost less, and be more accurate than some of the recent 'models'.


  • #5209
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Monster249 wrote: »
    That guy lives in some fantasy land, unaffected by anything. He's literally oblivious to everything

    Realistic, not oblivious. I'm affected just like everyone else. In fact in some ways worse in my job than many I'd bet.

    What would you rather I do, that I engage in self delusion and wishful thinking?

    It's not going to change anything.


  • #5210
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Dont consider buying now, the fall in Ireland will be as bad as 2008 - the bidding wars don't reveal that not much is actually changing hands.

    They really don't care about families and children either.

    The Irish government is a shambolic mess, keep your head as best you can, things will get better.

    prices are going to go through the roofs -demand > supply.


  • #5211
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Realistic, not oblivious. I'm affected just like everyone else. In fact in some ways worse in my job than many I'd bet.

    What would you rather I do, that I engage in self delusion and wishful thinking?

    It's not going to change anything.

    So you'll just agree with everything that you can't change? Fair enough. That's not the approach to life for me but whatever toots your horn.


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  • #5212
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    prices are going to go through the roofs -demand > supply.

    Not next year - Ireland will likely see significant emigration, decreased social payments, continued and lingering unemployment, and little support from Europe due to its silly GDP vs GNP setup.

    Everyone could get a job at Google/Facebook tho?


  • #5213
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Monster249 wrote: »
    That guy lives in some fantasy land, unaffected by anything. He's literally oblivious to everything

    Sure last year he was saying there wouldn't be a vaccine for at least 10 years and lockdowns are the way life would be for all that time and in all likelihood life would never go back to what it was in 2019. and he seemed to be weirdly excited about the prospect too
    The good news will be arriving for the next 10 years. I don't believe there will ever be a vaccine. I hope that's not the case but I don't think it will be.

    At some point people are going to have to accept, that while we can have hope of comprehensive treatment, the world has changed. We are never going back to the pre Christmas normal in 2019


  • #5214
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Sure last year he was saying there wouldn't be a vaccine for at least 10 years and lockdowns are the way life would be for all that time and in all likelihood life would never go back to what it was in 2019. and he seemed to be weirdly excited about the prospect too

    Citation please.

    The current vaccines are stop gaps that will likely require booster or annual shots.

    It will be some years before there is something comprehensive and final.

    I never said lockdowns would be needed in that period. The whole idea is to end restrictions. I said things won't go back to the normal of 2019 restrictions or no restrictions.


  • #5215
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Citation please.

    The current vaccines are stop gaps that will likely require booster or annual shots.

    It will be some years before there is something comprehensive and final.

    I never said lockdowns would be needed in that period. The whole idea is to end restrictions. I said things won't go back to the normal of 2019 restrictions or no restrictions.

    Citation please?

    Current data is 6 months old and suggests immunity will last 6 months at a minimum. This might be a toughie for you, but in 9 months, they will have 9 months data and also be able to give a minimum.

    Can you perhaps remind us how long a BCG jag works? Preferably without suggesting Covid is the flu please.


  • #5216
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Citation please.

    The current vaccines are stop gaps that will likely require booster or annual shots.

    It will be some years before there is something comprehensive and final.

    I never said lockdowns would be needed in that period. The whole idea is to end restrictions. I said things won't go back to the normal of 2019 restrictions or no restrictions.

    So what does the new normal look like in your eyes


  • #5217
    ingo1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭ingo1984


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    prices are going to go through the roofs -demand > supply.

    Prices are approaching their limit. Average house price is just over 7 times average wage. Historically it plateaus at approximately 8 times average wage. Then as supply increases this causes prices to drop again. Prices don't just increase indefinitely. Couple that with the economic fall out from covid ie job losses, business closures.


  • #5218
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    What’s the story with the German supermarkets being allowed to sell certain products.
    My local angling shop closed for months now and looks like he will go under but I see Lidl allowed sell a large range of fishing gear next week ..
    Not only fishing stuff but loads of fitness gear and clothes.


  • #5219
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,688 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Citation please.

    The current vaccines are stop gaps that will likely require booster or annual shots.

    It will be some years before there is something comprehensive and final.

    I never said lockdowns would be needed in that period. The whole idea is to end restrictions. I said things won't go back to the normal of 2019 restrictions or no restrictions.


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113880024&postcount=8991

    Ok, I presumed by saying that normal was gone that you meant lockdowns and restrictions are here to stay. Apologies if you didnt mean that. What did you mean then?

    I also remember you posting stuff about the possibility of the virus laying dormant in people only to reactivate years later. It's pure nonsense. Always the worst case scenario


  • #5220
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    ShyMets wrote: »
    So what does the new normal look like in your eyes

    the glorious people's republic of china where you get welded into your house at gunpoint and thrown a bag of rice and let get on with it


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  • #5221
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113880024&postcount=8991

    Ok, I presumed by saying that normal was gone that you meant lockdowns and restrictions are here to stay. Apologies if you didnt mean that. What did you mean then?

    I also remember you posting stuff about the possibility of the virus laying dormant in people only to reactivate years later. It's pure nonsense. Always the worst case scenario

    Fair play for digging that one out. I suspect you won't be getting a reply


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