Tramore Valley Park

Mardyke · 10-02-2021 11:42pm

User142 wrote: »

We are a city run by an old aged grumpy suburbanites.

Nail on the head.

Except, it's worse, Doherty lives in Belgooly or Riverstick or somewhere.

Where's the current LM living?

Mick Finn may not have been any good, but at least he lives in the city centre.

opus · 11-02-2021 5:09pm

A bit of better news - NTA allocate €1.5 million for new path from Grange to the Tramore Valley Park

timmyjimmy · 11-02-2021 5:12pm

opus wrote: »

A bit of better news - NTA allocate €1.5 million for new path from Grange to the Tramore Valley Park

All the pedestrian paths seem to be coming from the southside. Terry must not want any norries in the park.

sporina · 11-02-2021 10:20pm

Have walked with friends there but i don't enjoy it - the teddys and toys hanging on the fences lining the dump give me the heebie jeebies.. over active imagination perhaps but one the less.. and era there's just nothing pretty to look at..

Cape Clear · 12-02-2021 12:01am

timmyjimmy wrote: »

All the pedestrian paths seem to be coming from the southside. Terry must not want any norries in the park.

The North side are more than welcome to Terry.

the beer revolu · 12-02-2021 9:22am

Cape Clear wrote: »

The North side are more than welcome to Terry.

No thanks.
We have the Glen River Valley. You can keep Terry and the park!

opus · 12-02-2021 1:29pm

sporina wrote: »

Have walked with friends there but i don't enjoy it - the teddys and toys hanging on the fences lining the dump give me the heebie jeebies.. over active imagination perhaps but one the less.. and era there's just nothing pretty to look at..

It is a bit bleak for sure, I think they can't plant too much (anything?) as it might puncture the layer over the landfill.

the beer revolu wrote: »

No thanks.
We have the Glen River Valley. You can keep Terry and the park!

I like them both, Glen River has more charm for sure. I've a vested interest in TVP as the parkrun event that was so popular there hasn't a hope of getting permission to resume 'til the Half Moon lane entrance is open & it's looking to me that won't be 'til next year at this stage

It's now over 5 years since the council cancelled it, there were 500+ participants at the last event. So much for Cork healthy cities initiative.

the beer revolu · 12-02-2021 2:40pm

opus wrote: »

It is a bit bleak for sure, I think they can't plant too much (anything?) as it might puncture the layer over the landfill.

I like them both, Glen River has more charm for sure. I've a vested interest in TVP as the parkrun event that was so popular there hasn't a hope of getting permission to resume 'til the Half Moon lane entrance is open & it's looking to me that won't be 'til next year at this stage

It's now over 5 years since the council cancelled it, there were 500+ participants at the last event. So much for Cork healthy cities initiative.

I know, the half moon lane situation is beyond ridiculous!

sporina · 12-02-2021 4:09pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

No thanks.
We have the Glen River Valley. You can keep Terry and the park!

didn't know about this park... can you do a decent walk there? like a loop?
I see there's a car park on google maps.. must check it out

opus · 12-02-2021 4:27pm

This is the 5k parkrun course, one short 1k lap followed by two longer 2k laps.

timmyjimmy · 12-02-2021 4:36pm

sporina wrote: »

didn't know about this park... can you do a decent walk there? like a loop?
I see there's a car park on google maps.. must check it out

It's actually a pretty decent park, very mature and great to leave kids roam. There's a few loops worth a roam.

opus · 23-02-2021 2:45pm

I'm sure one of these years it will be in place.

Funding approved for new pedestrian access to Tramore Valley Park

https://twitter.com/NoonanJoe/status/1364188000729579523

Ekano · 25-02-2021 9:11pm

There is a huge increase in people using TVP these days. It's great to see. However with the social distancing should there be signs saying stay left/pass right? I shouldn't get annoyed but it gets me a bit these days!

Anyone agree?

Mardyke · 25-02-2021 9:34pm

Ekano wrote: »

There is a huge increase in people using TVP these days. It's great to see. However with the social distancing should there be signs saying stay left/pass right? I shouldn't get annoyed but it gets me a bit these days!

Anyone agree?

I haven't made it in there yet as the gate is locked.

If the Council have so little respect for Cork people that they can't make the park accessible, then you hardly think they care about your safety inside either.

KnicksInSix · 26-02-2021 12:59am

Ekano wrote: »

There is a huge increase in people using TVP these days. It's great to see. However with the social distancing should there be signs saying stay left/pass right? I shouldn't get annoyed but it gets me a bit these days!

Anyone agree?

Went a few times this week as I was staying locally and even though there were off peak times relatively speaking people had no interest in keeping left or right. Those signs would be great but in general why don't people just keep left or right?! Really nice park though, a great amenity if you can access it.

blindsider · 26-02-2021 3:27am

Ekano wrote: »

There is a huge increase in people using TVP these days. It's great to see. However with the social distancing should there be signs saying stay left/pass right? I shouldn't get annoyed but it gets me a bit these days!

Anyone agree?

Absolutely!!! And not just TVP obviously, but every other public amenity and park too. It's easy to do and would save a lot of hassle.

timmyjimmy · 26-02-2021 8:57am

Ekano wrote: »

There is a huge increase in people using TVP these days. It's great to see. However with the social distancing should there be signs saying stay left/pass right? I shouldn't get annoyed but it gets me a bit these days!

Anyone agree?

Ah lads, put signs up everywhere, can people use cop on? Surely you'll have the same argument about signage down the marina?

.red. · 26-02-2021 10:46am

Ekano wrote: »

There is a huge increase in people using TVP these days. It's great to see. However with the social distancing should there be signs saying stay left/pass right? I shouldn't get annoyed but it gets me a bit these days!

Anyone agree?

Those signs are up everywhere in the regional park in ballincollig and half the people in there take no notice whatsoever.

opus · 26-02-2021 11:52am

Mardyke wrote: »

I haven't made it in there yet as the gate is locked.

If the Council have so little respect for Cork people that they can't make the park accessible, then you hardly think they care about your safety inside either.

Amazingly the pedestrian entrance on Half Moon lane used to be open & was heavily used on Sat mornings 'til lunchtime when the partrun was there briefly 4/5 years ago. Didn't cause any problems at the time.

hans aus dtschl · 26-02-2021 2:19pm

.red. wrote: »

Those signs are up everywhere in the regional park in ballincollig and half the people in there take no notice whatsoever.

Pedestrians really don't do "keeping to one side" in general.

They're generally not "traffic" minded, focusing on getting from origin to destination. They're roaming freely. Pedestrians are mostly "drifting", rather than "staying in lane". Pedestrians stop and look at stuff, stop to chat when they see people they know, stop to take a break, stop to wait for small children and dogs etc. They're not like regularised traffic at all.

Signs and road markings and the likes aren't going to work. Even basic things like visually impaired people, illiterate people etc are issues.

So yeah, "walk like this" signs don't work, almost as a rule. It's a major reason that both Cork councils' latest designs lumping cycling and walking onto "shared space" is such a problem. It's all money into the bin, frankly.

I'm not saying that anyone here has an incorrect motivation, it'd obviously be great if people obeyed signs. But I'm very confident they won't.

who_me · 26-02-2021 6:20pm

Definitely. I go to parks to relax, unwind, wander about.

This might sound petty/childish to others, but if I have to stay on certain paths or stay on a certain side / between certain lines, I wouldn't use that park, not worth it.

rorrissey · 26-02-2021 9:38pm

This park is literally 1.5km from my house but since I don't drive I can get in there. Could I get away with running along the road into the car entrance? Do people do it?

27-02-2021 9:19am

Also people going 3 or 4 a berth,not caring for cyclists or runners trying to get past, also the classic person with a dog on the inertia lead, people on the left and the dog all the way to the right so no one can get past, thats particularly painful on the blackrock line

Morries Wigs · 27-02-2021 12:41pm

rorrissey wrote: »

This park is literally 1.5km from my house but since I don't drive I can get in there. Could I get away with running along the road into the car entrance? Do people do it?

no way and people dont do it -taking your life into your hands doing that

TheChizler · 27-02-2021 12:46pm

Morries Wigs wrote: »

no way and people dont do it -taking your life into your hands doing that

People are constantly doing it

User142 · 27-02-2021 1:43pm

I do it. Its a national road not a motorway. They can shove their meaningless no pedestrian signs.

If safety is a concern we all know a gate that could be opened today....

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 27-02-2021 4:10pm

Morries Wigs wrote: »

no way and people dont do it -taking your life into your hands doing that

Loads of people do it. And why wouldn't they. Its a public park that City Council have purposely made hard to access by foot or bike from the city side.

Level 42 · 27-02-2021 5:13pm

IS this the entrance on the south link road going into the dump?

27-02-2021 8:19pm

Another pedestrian/cyclist entrance via Willow Park, Douglas.

Ludo · 27-02-2021 9:24pm

This will be an unpopular opinion and I am going to get a bashing for it, but I don't actually feel opening Half Moon Lane will help a lot. It would be great for people living nearby on the South Douglas Road obviously, but anyone coming from any further away will drive and I do think opening it will cause issues with cars on that lane and the immediate area. Funny how people don't really want to walk to go for a walk.

People coming form Douglas already have a pedestrian entrance as pointed out above. People from the rest of the southside, including Turners Cross and Ballyphehane, probably won't as far as a Half Moon Lane entrance. I believe anyone from outside the area between Capwell Road and he Cross Douglas Road will drive anyway. There may be a few who take the bus but they can go out to the existing pedestrian entrance already at no extra cost.

I think it is a great pity the gate cant just be opened for the locals, but the cost of improvements needed to the lane and the potential impact of people parking all over the place needlessly has me concerned (concerned is too strong a word but you know what I mean). By the way, I don't even live in the area so it would not affect me either way.

titan18 · 27-02-2021 9:32pm

Ludo wrote: »

This will be an unpopular opinion and I am going to get a bashing for it, but I don't actually feel opening Half Moon Lane will help a lot. It would be great for people living nearby on the South Douglas Road obviously, but anyone coming from any further away will drive and I do think opening it will cause issues with cars on that lane and the immediate area. Funny how people don't really want to walk to go for a walk.

People coming form Douglas already have a pedestrian entrance as pointed out above. People from the rest of the southside, including Turners Cross and Ballyphehane, probably won't as far as a Half Moon Lane entrance. I believe anyone from outside the area between Capwell Road and he Cross Douglas Road will drive anyway. There may be a few who take the bus but they can go out to the existing pedestrian entrance already at no extra cost.

I think it is a great pity the gate cant just be opened for the locals, but the cost of improvements needed to the lane and the potential impact of people parking all over the place needlessly has me concerned (concerned is too string a word but you know what I mean). By the way, I don't even live in the area so it would not affect me either way.

I dunno, like if you're living in the city centre, that's about a similar length as walking to the marina to half moon lane. I live close to the Lough and it'd be about a 20 minute walk for me to get to half moon lane I'd say. It's actually faster for me to walk there than to somewhere like Fitzgerald's Park. Now, I'd probably mostly still go the Lough but it would be a nice option to have.

Ludo · 27-02-2021 9:36pm

titan18 wrote: »

I dunno, like if you're living in the city centre, that's about a similar length as walking to the marina to half moon lane. I live close to the Lough and it'd be about a 20 minute walk for me to get to half moon lane I'd say. It's actually faster for me to walk there than to somewhere like Fitzgerald's Park. Now, I'd probably mostly still go the Lough but it would be a nice option to have.

Yeah you are quite possibly right. But I just wonder though how many people will go for a 3/4km walk around the park after having to walk 2km to get there and same back.

In fact, even reading back my own post I find it sad that something this simple cant be just done. The only reason not to open the gate is because some people will act the selfish dick and ruin it for everyone. A reflection of where we are these days unfortunately

titan18 · 27-02-2021 10:05pm

I suppose for me, half moon lane is 1.2km from my house and the Lough is 600m, so it's not a huge difference. I probably wouldn't walk to the marina (like pairc UI chaoimh would be about 3k) but half moon lane would be very walkable, and I'm friars walk/ballyphehane.

Morries Wigs · 28-02-2021 10:08am

Is there another entrance besides the south link road dump entrance.thats the one i was saying is dodgy for walking

Ludo · 28-02-2021 1:21pm

Yes, there is a pedestrian entrance by the GaelScoil in Douglas.

28-02-2021 3:33pm

rorrissey wrote: »

This park is literally 1.5km from my house but since I don't drive I can get in there. Could I get away with running along the road into the car entrance? Do people do it?

In what direction? There is pedestrian access at the end of South douglas Road by the school

rorrissey · 01-03-2021 6:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In what direction? There is pedestrian access at the end of South douglas Road by the school

I'm living in Togher. I run down by the river via coffee's fields all the time, when you come out then you're basically on the kinsale road and I'm so close to the entrance, yet so far away because I'm not in a car. So frustrating! The pedestrian entrance by the Gaelscoil then is a good hour's walk away.

Morries Wigs · 01-03-2021 7:06pm

rorrissey wrote: »

I'm living in Togher. I run down by the river via coffee's fields all the time, when you come out then you're basically on the kinsale road and I'm so close to the entrance, yet so far away because I'm not in a car. So frustrating! The pedestrian entrance by the Gaelscoil then is a good hour's walk away.

as the lads said earlier walk away there on the kinsale road walk up the link-their all at it apparently ,

snotboogie · 08-03-2021 10:50pm

More on the bridge: https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40240403.html

09-03-2021 10:45am

rorrissey wrote: »

I'm living in Togher. I run down by the river via coffee's fields all the time, when you come out then you're basically on the kinsale road and I'm so close to the entrance, yet so far away because I'm not in a car. So frustrating! The pedestrian entrance by the Gaelscoil then is a good hour's walk away.

whats frustrating there is that they can continue that river walk into tramore valley as the bridges/tunnels are there, there just isnt an appetite for it unfortunately. It would make the Wella a lot more appeasing to walk. I hate the tunnel that changes direction, as you can't see fully in front of you. A but of investment in that walkway is needed.

opus · 09-03-2021 12:07pm

I suggest contacting the council/local councillors, the more people that ask for it the better the chance it might happen. Was in touch with them myself back in the parkrun days (5 years ago

) about using the culvert to the huge park & ride and seemed it was impossible then but we're very much living in different times now.

two wheels good · 09-03-2021 11:49pm

Ped. bridge Grange to TVP gets approval. Link

Completion by year-end possibly.

TheChizler · 10-03-2021 10:31am

two wheels good wrote: »

Ped. bridge Grange to TVP gets approval. Link

Completion by year-end possibly.

It'll be hilarious if they can build a bridge over a 5-lane road faster than opening a gate.

the beer revolu · 10-03-2021 12:35pm

TheChizler wrote: »

It'll be hilarious if they can build a bridge over a 5-lane road faster than opening a gate.

But what if people park on the bridge?

TheChizler · 10-03-2021 12:49pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

But what if people park on the bridge?

Better put a gate on it to be safe.

the beer revolu · 10-03-2021 2:22pm

TheChizler wrote: »

Better put a gate on it to be safe.

And keep it locked!

RINO87 · 10-03-2021 2:24pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

But what if people park on the bridge?

What if people park in Grange at the other side of the bridge??!!

who_me · 10-03-2021 3:18pm

Oh God. It's Gategate.

hans aus dtschl · 10-03-2021 3:50pm

Will whingers and extremists be allowed onto this bridge?
And what if City Council once again commission a cyclist footpath with "cyclists dismount" signs? Will it only be for pedestrians then?

Also, Is cycling on footpaths good or bad this week? I never seem to get the latest memo from the Council.
Use the footpath so that real traffic can get through, but don't use the footpath because it's for pedestrians, but use the footpath so we can draw down funding to spend on other projects....it's all so confusing to me...

Mardyke · 10-03-2021 6:48pm

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Will whingers and extremists be allowed onto this bridge?
And what if City Council once again commission a cyclist footpath with "cyclists dismount" signs? Will it only be for pedestrians then?

Also, Is cycling on footpaths good or bad this week? I never seem to get the latest memo from the Council.
Use the footpath so that real traffic can get through, but don't use the footpath because it's for pedestrians, but use the footpath so we can draw down funding to spend on other projects....it's all so confusing to me...

You'll be delighted to hear Ann Doherty will be around for another 3 years....

Tramore Valley Park

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