WandaVision - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

Foxtrol wrote: »

I do get those significant differences, however the MCU has for the most part been built in a very consistent way that is relatively easy to understand by the audience. I just don't see them trying to sell both:

- All the stuff that happened in other Spider-Man movies produced by another studio that they don't have the rights to happened in their wider MCU multi-verse
- Nothing that happened in other X-Men movies produced by another studio that they now have the rights to happened in their wider MCU multi-verse

I especially don't see them doing the above while also inserting an X-Men character as Pietro into Wandavision as just a throwaway nod to the audience - making things even more confusing.

I really want the old X-Men universe to stay dead but at this point from going off previous MCU approaches I'm not confident

The Pietro thing is interesting though because this is the first time we've had a recast of a character who had appeared in another franchise. We hadn't seen Rhodey before anywhere else.

Feige has said that we won't see X-Men in the MCU for a few years, we know and can guess he's a meticulous planner and has the next few years worked out which is why I'm loathe to believe that they would just pull a Fox franchise character over like this.

A possibility I haven't seen considered is that ATJ just didn't want to come back or couldn't come back due to other commitments. I think regardless of who played him Pietro is intrinsic was intrinsic to Agatha's plan which would mean they'd have to recast him anyway so why not do it with a wink. I suspect if they had got someone else there would undoubtedly be fans saying how funny/cool it would have been if they'd got Peters.

As regard the Spider-Verse, as I said I think that is largely coming from Sony. This is the last fillm in their deal with Marvel and it's also the last film in Holland's contract. I've seen people speculate that the title No Way Home could suggest the movie ends with Holland's Parker trapped in another universe which would allow Sony to do their crappy Sinister Six and Morbius films without it impacting the MCU. Just a theory.

If the MCU wanted a brand new Pietro theres literally hundreds of actors they could choose. Just off the top of my head Grant Gustin (Arrowverse Flash), Ezra Miller (DCU Flash) would be amusing 4th Wall breaking winks regarding speedsters.

Not casting Evan Peters would NOT have been seen as an odd choice and rather just immediately distancing from any possible links to the Fox-version. By specifically choosing arguably the most recognisable actor from the recent Fox-Verse movies (Peters*) whose character (Quicksilver) was responsible for the two standout scenes in two Fox Movies to play another character called Quicksilver and NOT expect fans to think there is a connection is hilarious.

Especially considering Mavel now owns the X-Men again. If they didn't own them then they might get away with casting him as a "New" Pietro since mutants wouldn't be possible. But yeah they knew exactly what they were doing.

Heck, they could have even cast Peters as Mephisto (an early "leak" claimed that was the case) and no one would have been trying to link MCU Mephisto to Fox Quicksilver. He could even still make quips/quote his Fox character and people would see it as being a wink and nod.

There was plenty of avenues that wasnt just trolling the fanbase for both a "new" Pietro and casting Evan Peters. They picked the ONE that would inevitably annoy a large part of the fanbase. It worked in that it raised up a lot of attention for the show and clickbait but it was a shítty stunt.



*I say Peters is the most recognisable because I highly doubt Fassbender, MacAvoy or Lawrence would be gettable budget-wise.

pjohnson wrote: »

If the MCU wanted a brand new Pietro theres literally hundreds of actors they could choose. Just off the top of my head Grant Gustin (Arrowverse Flash), Ezra Miller (DCU Flash) would be amusing 4th Wall breaking winks regarding speedsters.

Not casting Evan Peters would NOT have been seen as an odd choice and rather just immediately distancing from any possible links to the Fox-version. By specifically choosing arguably the most recognisable actor from the recent Fox-Verse movies (Peters*) whose character (Quicksilver) was responsible for the two standout scenes in two Fox Movies to play another character called Quicksilver and NOT expect fans to think there is a connection is hilarious.

Especially considering Mavel now owns the X-Men again. If they didn't own them then they might get away with casting him as a "New" Pietro since mutants wouldn't be possible. But yeah they knew exactly what they were doing.

Heck, they could have even cast Peters as Mephisto (an early "leak" claimed that was the case) and no one would have been trying to link MCU Mephisto to Fox Quicksilver. He could even still make quips/quote his Fox character and people would see it as being a wink and nod.

There was plenty of avenues that wasnt just trolling the fanbase for both a "new" Pietro and casting Evan Peters. They picked the ONE that would inevitably annoy a large part of the fanbase. It worked in that it raised up a lot of attention for the show and clickbait but it was a shítty stunt.

*I say Peters is the most recognisable because I highly doubt Fassbender, MacAvoy or Lawrence would be gettable budget-wise.

At this point we have no idea if there is a connection or not so I don't know how you're so adamant regarding 'trolling'. You're getting frustrated about a theory that may or may not be right.

As I said before, it's the new Mandarin controversy.

I enjoyed his appearance and performance regardless of how it turns out. If you're annoyed by it there's little I or anyone can do to convince you otherwise.

FunLover18 wrote: »

The Pietro thing is interesting though because this is the first time we've had a recast of a character who had appeared in another franchise. We hadn't seen Rhodey before anywhere else.

Feige has said that we won't see X-Men in the MCU for a few years, we know and can guess he's a meticulous planner and has the next few years worked out which is why I'm loathe to believe that they would just pull a Fox franchise character over like this.

A possibility I haven't seen considered is that ATJ just didn't want to come back or couldn't come back due to other commitments. I think regardless of who played him Pietro is intrinsic was intrinsic to Agatha's plan which would mean they'd have to recast him anyway so why not do it with a wink. I suspect if they had got someone else there would undoubtedly be fans saying how funny/cool it would have been if they'd got Peters.

I disagree with Pietro being intrinsic to the show. For what we've seen thus far they could have had another character we hadn't met play that role - like having her father show up and cause the same toll on her emotionally and cause a similar rift with Vision. It wouldn't have resonated as much as seeing Pietro but you'd end up close to the same results regarding the overall narrative.

As regard the Spider-Verse, as I said I think that is largely coming from Sony. This is the last fillm in their deal with Marvel and it's also the last film in Holland's contract. I've seen people speculate that the title No Way Home could suggest the movie ends with Holland's Parker trapped in another universe which would allow Sony to do their crappy Sinister Six and Morbius films without it impacting the MCU. Just a theory.

Agree that this is the likely angle from Sony but the MCU appear to have fully bought into it - at minimum Dr Strange 2 and Loki appear to heavily leverage it (arguably with Endgame starting it). If Marvel were against the idea of a multi-verse than I'd have expected they would have contained it to just the upcoming Spider-Man movie with some form of tech causing it - like Into the Spider-Verse.

I'll have to watch Age of Ultron again. I remember it being pretty dull, no?

Vision's birth sequence is up there with my favourite MCU scenes to date.

Vision's "final showdown" with Ultron I dont think is even a minute long but again Bettany just totally kills it.

Buzzing for tomorrows episode

Does this show get better? I watched the first couple of episodes and by half way through episode 2 I had lost interest with the whole 50's sitcom thing and turned it off. It didn't seem to be going anywhere. Does it get more action orientated at any point?

Great finale. MUCH simpler cap off to the series than many of the theories that were floating around throughout. I do have a niggling feeling of "there could have been more" but really that's just due to theories of X-Men kicking off, Dr. Strange turning up, this triggering the multi-verse etc. A couple of things have been set up for phase 4 alright but all in all it was a fairly low key story about Wanda and her grief. Agnes was the villain plain and simple. What was great about the series and finale was the execution of it all. The last few episodes in particular focused on Wanda's grief and dealing with the loss of Vision. Every scene with Wanda and Vision was just perfect.

On the thrilling finale side of things, Vision v Vision was fantastic. Big screen cinema style showdown. Loved the resolution to the fight too. Pure Vision. Also interesting to see now where they go with White Vision... Wision? Equally, Agnes v Wanda did not disappoint and again a good resolution to that fight. The scenes with the townspeople freed were great, and chilling too. It's fcuked up what they went through... and they get no justice for it. SWORD didn't really have much impact in the end (beyond Wision), they turned up, got taken care of in 10 seconds and that was it from them.

The stingers were ok. Just setting up more of phase 4 but nothing jaw dropping.

Also.... "flourish"

Deleted User wrote: »

What was the significance of that... As I watched I had to rewind and guessed I missed a meaning.

Ant Man.

Sorry, it's actually from the magic show... IIRC

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Fake Pietro was a red herring, fans reading too much into it is what 'ruined' people's expectations. The producers did good with his inclusion IMO, it was a good Easter egg if you will.

Not sure what's going to happen with Vision or Photon, but Wanda is clearly either with Doc Strange or tempting him, because she was using the Astral Plain to learn magic.


Good episode overall I thought.

The pietro thing annoys me.
Disney bought Fox, Disney have the rights to those movies, and the guy played QS in those movies. If he was just some nobody Agnes used to mess with Wanda then he should have been some nobody Agnes used. Its not like Wanda knew there was an alt Pietro and this guy looks the exact same as him.

The ONLY reason to cast him as QS is to plant the exact theories that the fans came up with. Fans didn't read too much into it, fans read exactly what the showrunners wanted them to read into it.

For it to have ment nothing is a massive slap in the face to the fans, imo.

With the rumours of Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield in Spider-Man 3, will they also just be some randoms if they are in it? If they are in it will it be the fans fault for expecting some connection with the Spider-Man movies?