WandaVision - Disney+ (Spoilers)

pjohnson · 04-03-2021 04:19PM

Anywho pre-finale spec.

Someone pointed out that post-credit scene that "Vision" looked at his left hand when he came around.

Ultrons last body was missing its left arm when Vision destroyed him in the forest (a severely under-rated MCU scene imo).

Leading some to wonder if the various Magicks in play have ended up now accidentally reviving Ultron back into to the MCU to pop up again at a later date if desired (or even in the finale tonight as a threat before fleeing using the broadcast waves into the wilds of the MCU). He recruited the Maximoffs to aid him, killed Pietro and was a "brother" to Vision so people are preparing for his appearance.

I think its a bit too far fetched personally but a cool idea that was pieced together lol.

FunLover18 · 04-03-2021 04:21PM

As I said before, it's the new Mandarin controversy.

I enjoyed his appearance and performance regardless of how it turns out. If you're annoyed by it there's little I or anyone can do to convince you otherwise.

joficeduns1 · 04-03-2021 04:27PM

I think Pietro has to be a multiverse version of Quicksilver. Not necessarily Fox's, but probably. He obviously has an understanding of his powers (something the twins had to learn about and no other Westview civilian has), superheroes (his questioning/astonishment of Wanda's ability), his back story about gunshots and then ending up in Westview. The big questions are

a. How he got there?
b. How is Agatha manipulating him?
c. Will he (can he even?) stick around after the Hex presumably falls?

I could be completely wrong, and if I am I'd expect Marvel to pull it off somehow. They've rarely taken a wrong foot, and certainly nothing of this scale.

The question I have myself is was ATJ's Quicksilver's power his own? Or was he supplemented by Wanda? Because if that's the case, she could be powering New Pietro subconsciously. Pure speculation.

Foxtrol · 04-03-2021 04:28PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

The Pietro thing is interesting though because this is the first time we've had a recast of a character who had appeared in another franchise. We hadn't seen Rhodey before anywhere else.

Feige has said that we won't see X-Men in the MCU for a few years, we know and can guess he's a meticulous planner and has the next few years worked out which is why I'm loathe to believe that they would just pull a Fox franchise character over like this.

A possibility I haven't seen considered is that ATJ just didn't want to come back or couldn't come back due to other commitments. I think regardless of who played him Pietro is intrinsic was intrinsic to Agatha's plan which would mean they'd have to recast him anyway so why not do it with a wink. I suspect if they had got someone else there would undoubtedly be fans saying how funny/cool it would have been if they'd got Peters.

I disagree with Pietro being intrinsic to the show. For what we've seen thus far they could have had another character we hadn't met play that role - like having her father show up and cause the same toll on her emotionally and cause a similar rift with Vision. It wouldn't have resonated as much as seeing Pietro but you'd end up close to the same results regarding the overall narrative.

As regard the Spider-Verse, as I said I think that is largely coming from Sony. This is the last fillm in their deal with Marvel and it's also the last film in Holland's contract. I've seen people speculate that the title No Way Home could suggest the movie ends with Holland's Parker trapped in another universe which would allow Sony to do their crappy Sinister Six and Morbius films without it impacting the MCU. Just a theory.

Agree that this is the likely angle from Sony but the MCU appear to have fully bought into it - at minimum Dr Strange 2 and Loki appear to heavily leverage it (arguably with Endgame starting it). If Marvel were against the idea of a multi-verse than I'd have expected they would have contained it to just the upcoming Spider-Man movie with some form of tech causing it - like Into the Spider-Verse.

FunLover18 · 04-03-2021 04:41PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I disagree with Pietro being intrinsic to the show. For what we've seen thus far they could have had another character we hadn't met play that role - like having her father show up and cause the same toll on her emotionally and cause a similar rift with Vision. It wouldn't have resonated as much as seeing Pietro but you'd end up close to the same results regarding the overall narrative.

Given the overall themes of the show, I think they needed it to be Pietro so the audience could connect on that emotional level. The fact they recast him only added to the mystery of it. I'm open to the idea that it could be multiverse thing and I'm not averse to it but I don't think it's unreasonable that Peters casting is just a wink as some people do.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Agree that this is the likely angle from Sony but the MCU appear to have fully bought into it - at minimum Dr Strange 2 and Loki appear to heavily leverage it (arguably with Endgame starting it). If Marvel were against the idea of a multi-verse than I'd have expected they would have contained it to just the upcoming Spider-Man movie with some form of tech causing it - like Into the Spider-Verse.

Sorry, I'm not rulling out the multiverse altogether, I think they are going that route but I wouldn't use the Sony driven multiverse rumours for Spider-Man as proof of Marvel going all in. If the Spider-Man 3 rumours are true I am wary because I really don't trust Sony to have the patience or planning that Marvel have. I could be completely wrong but I suspect the Dr Strange 2 may not be flinging the multiverse doors wide open in the way some people think it will be.

Sakana · 04-03-2021 06:09PM

I'll have to watch Age of Ultron again. I remember it being pretty dull, no?

Penn · 04-03-2021 06:30PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

Sorry, I'm not rulling out the multiverse altogether, I think they are going that route but I wouldn't use the Sony driven multiverse rumours for Spider-Man as proof of Marvel going all in. If the Spider-Man 3 rumours are true I am wary because I really don't trust Sony to have the patience or planning that Marvel have. I could be completely wrong but I suspect the Dr Strange 2 may not be flinging the multiverse doors wide open in the way some people think it will be.

I think Tom Holland recently said that Marvel and Sony have reached a long-term agreement for Spider-Man and to work together, and that while the next film is Holland's last under contract he wants to keep going in the role, so I don't think there'll be any issues either way. Will definitely be interesting to see what way they go with Spider-Man 3.

Sakana wrote: »

I'll have to watch Age of Ultron again. I remember it being pretty dull, no?

It's generally considered on the lower end of people's lists of the MCU films. It has its flaws, but I always loved it and think it's very underrated. Has some great moments and sequences. Every scene with Vision in particular is fantastic. But to be on the safe side, just lower your expectations for it.

pjohnson · 04-03-2021 06:35PM

Vision's birth sequence is up there with my favourite MCU scenes to date.

Vision's "final showdown" with Ultron I dont think is even a minute long but again Bettany just totally kills it.

flazio · 04-03-2021 07:48PM

It's funny how you mention Black Cat and Silver Sable spin offs being mooted in the Garfield Spider-man era because they ended up getting side stories in the excellent video games anyway. The video games need to be taken into consideration as well because between them, the Spider Verse movies, the MCU movies and whatever is happening on the Venom side, there's a danger of over dilution by Sony.

Anyway Wandavision, I suspect quite a few loose ends of this series will lead into Doctor Strange 2 and possibly into Falcon and the Winter Solider

PTH2009 · 04-03-2021 10:55PM

Buzzing for tomorrows episode

expectationlost · 05-03-2021 12:10AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqzaAgD7jTw

follow up in interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlLHnZSz7ZA

05-03-2021 07:42AM

expectationlost wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqzaAgD7jTw
follow up in interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlLHnZSz7ZA

now THEY get it

18m to go!

05-03-2021 08:44AM

Not 1 but 2 post credits

mirrormatrix · 05-03-2021 08:48AM

Does this show get better? I watched the first couple of episodes and by half way through episode 2 I had lost interest with the whole 50's sitcom thing and turned it off. It didn't seem to be going anywhere. Does it get more action orientated at any point?

newirishman · 05-03-2021 09:04AM

mirrormatrix wrote: »

Does this show get better? I watched the first couple of episodes and by half way through episode 2 I had lost interest with the whole 50's sitcom thing and turned it off. It didn't seem to be going anywhere. Does it get more action orientated at any point?

No it does not at all "get better". You should stop watching now. Everyone in this thread agrees that nothing changes compared to episode one or two.

05-03-2021 09:07AM

mirrormatrix wrote: »

Does this show get better? I watched the first couple of episodes and by half way through episode 2 I had lost interest with the whole 50's sitcom thing and turned it off. It didn't seem to be going anywhere. Does it get more action orientated at any point?

The last couple of episodes has more pew pew in them. But not enough if that's your main desire in a series.

horgan_p · 05-03-2021 09:45AM

That was an odd ending.

So fake Pietro is

nobody

White

Vision now has

Visions memories

and is out in the world.

Wanda is off training hersefl to become

the scarlet witch

And Photon is

off into space

I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest. One of the few times I've watched a Marvel show or film and not really seen where they are going with it.

I almost feel like Wandavision was a bridge between the Infinity Saga and the next thing.

Bacchus · 05-03-2021 09:57AM

Great finale. MUCH simpler cap off to the series than many of the theories that were floating around throughout. I do have a niggling feeling of "there could have been more" but really that's just due to theories of X-Men kicking off, Dr. Strange turning up, this triggering the multi-verse etc. A couple of things have been set up for phase 4 alright but all in all it was a fairly low key story about Wanda and her grief. Agnes was the villain plain and simple. What was great about the series and finale was the execution of it all. The last few episodes in particular focused on Wanda's grief and dealing with the loss of Vision. Every scene with Wanda and Vision was just perfect.

On the thrilling finale side of things, Vision v Vision was fantastic. Big screen cinema style showdown. Loved the resolution to the fight too. Pure Vision. Also interesting to see now where they go with White Vision... Wision? Equally, Agnes v Wanda did not disappoint and again a good resolution to that fight. The scenes with the townspeople freed were great, and chilling too. It's fcuked up what they went through... and they get no justice for it. SWORD didn't really have much impact in the end (beyond Wision), they turned up, got taken care of in 10 seconds and that was it from them.

The stingers were ok. Just setting up more of phase 4 but nothing jaw dropping.

Also.... "flourish"

Midnight_EG · 05-03-2021 09:57AM

horgan_p wrote: »

That was an odd ending.

So fake Pietro is
nobody

White
Vision now has
Visions memories
and is out in the world.

Wanda is off training hersefl to become
the scarlet witch
And Photon is
off into space

I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest. One of the few times I've watched a Marvel show or film and not really seen where they are going with it.

I almost feel like Wandavision was a bridge between the Infinity Saga and the next thing.

Fake Pietro was a red herring, fans reading too much into it is what 'ruined' people's expectations. The producers did good with his inclusion IMO, it was a good Easter egg if you will.

Not sure what's going to happen with Vision or Photon, but Wanda is clearly either with Doc Strange or tempting him, because she was using the Astral Plain to learn magic.

Good episode overall I thought.

05-03-2021 10:02AM

Bacchus wrote: »

Also.... "flourish"

What was the significance of that... As I watched I had to rewind and guessed I missed a meaning.

Bacchus · 05-03-2021 10:05AM

horgan_p wrote: »

That was an odd ending.

So fake Pietro is
nobody

White
Vision now has
Visions memories
and is out in the world.

Wanda is off training hersefl to become
the scarlet witch
And Photon is
off into space

I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest. One of the few times I've watched a Marvel show or film and not really seen where they are going with it.

I almost feel like Wandavision was a bridge between the Infinity Saga and the next thing.

Fake Pietro was the biggest misstep of the series IMO. Total red herring that irritates more than anything. Could have used any other actor and avoided intense fan speculation (I'm sure they wanted that speculation/buzz but there was zero payoff).

This is totally a bridge between Endgame and phase 4. It's introduced two new heroes (Wision and Photon) and Wanda has been powered up. Wanda's progression will likely tie in to Dr. Strange's next movie too. Then you also have SWORD introduced. So yeah, big knock on effects from this.

Bacchus · 05-03-2021 10:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What was the significance of that... As I watched I had to rewind and guessed I missed a meaning.

Ant Man.

Sorry, it's actually from the magic show... IIRC

pjohnson · 05-03-2021 10:06AM

I wonder is that the same Darkhold we've seen previously or just another troll.

Be cool if it is but probably not.

Mitch Connor · 05-03-2021 10:15AM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Fake Pietro was a red herring, fans reading too much into it is what 'ruined' people's expectations. The producers did good with his inclusion IMO, it was a good Easter egg if you will.

Not sure what's going to happen with Vision or Photon, but Wanda is clearly either with Doc Strange or tempting him, because she was using the Astral Plain to learn magic.

Good episode overall I thought.

The pietro thing annoys me.
Disney bought Fox, Disney have the rights to those movies, and the guy played QS in those movies. If he was just some nobody Agnes used to mess with Wanda then he should have been some nobody Agnes used. Its not like Wanda knew there was an alt Pietro and this guy looks the exact same as him.

The ONLY reason to cast him as QS is to plant the exact theories that the fans came up with. Fans didn't read too much into it, fans read exactly what the showrunners wanted them to read into it.

For it to have ment nothing is a massive slap in the face to the fans, imo.

With the rumours of Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield in Spider-Man 3, will they also just be some randoms if they are in it? If they are in it will it be the fans fault for expecting some connection with the Spider-Man movies?

pjohnson · 05-03-2021 10:22AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The pietro thing annoys me.
Disney bought Fox, Disney have the rights to those movies, and the guy played QS in those movies. If he was just some nobody Agnes used to mess with Wanda then he should have been some nobody Agnes used. Its not like Wanda knew there was an alt Pietro and this guy looks the exact same as him.

The ONLY reason to cast him as QS is to plant the exact theories that the fans came up with. Fans didn't read too much into it, fans read exactly what the showrunners wanted them to read into it.

For it to have ment nothing is a massive slap in the face to the fans, imo.

With the rumours of Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield in Spider-Man 3, will they also just be some randoms if they are in it? If they are in it will it be the fans fault for expecting some connection with the Spider-Man movies?

Exactly it was just common sense to make that link. Especially with Marvel starting to hype up the concept of a multiverse, and literally saying that Wanda will be in a movie with "Multiverse" in the title post this series.

It was just good clickbait to generate a boost up in hype for the show to lure fans that may not have enjoyed the slooooow sitcom stuff and dropped it back into watching the show.

It didnt need that stunt.

The two title characters were brilliant, but with Vision/Bettany that was kinda expected no matter what arc he was given he kills in that role, but the way they evolved Wanda into Scarlet Witch and that arc she had was FANTASTIC!

05-03-2021 10:53AM

Underwhelming finale. Still enjoyed it.

Ridley · 05-03-2021 10:58AM

In another reality people are bemoaning that Evan Peters wasn't cast when they had the chance.

Finale didn't stick the landing for me. Most major players promising they'll be back in some form. Oh. Okay then.

AlmightyCushion · 05-03-2021 11:19AM

mirrormatrix wrote: »

Does this show get better? I watched the first couple of episodes and by half way through episode 2 I had lost interest with the whole 50's sitcom thing and turned it off. It didn't seem to be going anywhere. Does it get more action orientated at any point?

The sitcom thing hangs about alright but after episode 3 it doesn't get used as much and the episodes are a lot better as a result.

05-03-2021 11:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Underwhelming finale. Still enjoyed it.

Expectations were hugely ramped up.

Edit, dont know why the thumbs down emoji was added.

05-03-2021 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Expectations were hugely ramped up.

Edit, dont know why the thumbs down emoji was added.

Oh big time. It was still good.

The over reaction of some people towards not getting their preferred ending is a little sad.

WandaVision - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

Comments

WandaVision - Disney+ (Spoilers)