Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Cute Hoor · 04-03-2021 10:30AM

Floppybits wrote: »

You would wonder are they party zealots or are they being paid to do this?

I hope they are not being paid, although for perseverance they would probably be entitled to something, but it appears to me that it is emanating from Mount St, there is always one available (take it in turns?), and it is the same inane repetitive drivel style from all of them, bore the topic to death. I presume they or their colleagues are all over other political topics as well. It's funny but I guess it's a sign of the times we're living in.

Floppybits · 04-03-2021 10:39AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

I hope they are not being paid, although for perseverance they would probably be entitled to something, but it appears to me that it is emanating from Mount St, there is always one available (take it in turns?), and it is the same inane repetitive drivel style from all of them, bore the topic to death. I presume they or their colleagues are all over other political topics as well. It's funny but I guess it's a sign of the times we're living in.

You noticed that as well? You can see who has the early shift and then around lunchtime you notice that they ease out and another takes up the the running and the baton gets passed and yes it is the same drivel, as you say, that is repeated over and over again.

I know there are people out there that put the party above all else but what you see on here you would have to question that and that is why I said maybe they are being paid because some of the stuff you see on here would make you think they have to be paid to say that.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 10:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

When was the investigation launched?

“Gardaí regularly receive complaints alleging criminality by politicians and public officials. Most disappear because they are simply untrue, or just nonsense.
Some do not go any further because there is zero chance of an investigation resulting in a criminal charge. Just a few go beyond the stage of preliminary inquiry. For now, the Garda inquiry into accusations against Tánaiste Leo Varadkar that he illegally leaked a confidential contract when he was taoiseach remains a preliminary inquiry.“ Irish Times.

The answer you are looking for is in your own post Maryanne...I highlighted it for you

04-03-2021 10:45AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The answer you are looking for is in your own post Maryanne...I highlighted it for you

A preliminary inquiry isn’t a full blown investigation. The Gardai haven’t yet decided if there’s anything to investigate.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 10:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A preliminary inquiry isn’t a full blown investigation. The Gardai haven’t yet decided if there’s anything to investigate.

Definition of inquiry
1: a request for information
2: a systematic investigation often of a matter of public interest
3: examination into facts or principles : RESEARCH

From that we can conclude the following:

Definition of a preliminary inquiry;
1: a preliminary request for information
2: a systematic preliminary investigation often of a matter of public interest
3: preliminary examination into facts or principles : RESEARCH

Anything else to say Maryanne?

04-03-2021 11:00AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Definition of inquiry
1: a request for information
2: a systematic investigation often of a matter of public interest
3: examination into facts or principles : RESEARCH

From that we can conclude the following:

Definition of a preliminary inquiry;
1: a preliminary request for information
2: a systematic preliminary investigation often of a matter of public interest
3: preliminary examination into facts or principles : RESEARCH

Anything else to say Maryanne?

Fact remains that there’s no investigation been launched. I know that you’re unhappy with that.

blanch152 · 04-03-2021 11:04AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The answer you are looking for is in your own post Maryanne...I highlighted it for you

That doesn't mention the word investigation. The Gardai only launch an investigation when it has been confirmed that a crime has been committed.

From all I have read, the gardai are making preliminary inquiries as to whether a crime has been committed and that they need to complete these inquiries before deciding whether to launch an investigation. The gardai are required to make these preliminary inquiries once a complaint has been made, whether or not the complaint is frivilous or malicious.

You have been over-hyping this issue since the start.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 11:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Fact remains that there’s no investigation been launched. I know that you’re unhappy with that.

He is being 'investigated' whether that be a preliminary investigation or a full blown one..

Brendan Bendar · 04-03-2021 11:06AM

blanch152 wrote: »

That doesn't mention the word investigation. The Gardai only launch an investigation when it has been confirmed that a crime has been committed.

From all I have read, the gardai are making preliminary inquiries as to whether a crime has been committed and that they need to complete these inquiries before deciding whether to launch an investigation. The gardai are required to make these preliminary inquiries once a complaint has been made, whether or not the complaint is frivilous or malicious.

You have been over-hyping this issue since the start.

Nothing new there Mr B.

Some of the posting is way off the mark.

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 11:09AM

blanch152 wrote: »

That doesn't mention the word investigation. The Gardai only launch an investigation when it has been confirmed that a crime has been committed.

From all I have read, the gardai are making preliminary inquiries as to whether a crime has been committed and that they need to complete these inquiries before deciding whether to launch an investigation. The gardai are required to make these preliminary inquiries once a complaint has been made, whether or not the complaint is frivilous or malicious.

You have been over-hyping this issue since the start.

Not surprised that somebody who routinely convicts on foot of an investigation/allegation would be off that opinion.

Beasty · 04-03-2021 12:32PM

Floppybits wrote: »

You noticed that as well? You can see who has the early shift and then around lunchtime you notice that they ease out and another takes up the the running and the baton gets passed and yes it is the same drivel, as you say, that is repeated over and over again.

I know there are people out there that put the party above all else but what you see on here you would have to question that and that is why I said maybe they are being paid because some of the stuff you see on here would make you think they have to be paid to say that.

Stick to the topic, which is not other users

smurgen · 04-03-2021 01:36PM

Can Varadkar be taken seriously at all while he is under criminal investigation? Law adherence and appropriate behavior is not he forte

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1367404401942536192?s=19

James Brown · 04-03-2021 03:43PM

walshb wrote: »

Whether he is right or wrong to voice an opinion here is debatable

One thing is correct: This Green TD is some messer.....attention seeking messer!

The party seems to attract these pretentious know-alls.

Imagine having the likes of Costello on your team....do yeh more harm than good.

I don't even know what Costello you are talking about. Labour? I've not been a card carrying, (still have the card mind) member of Labour in many years.
I don't see the relevance other than deflection and whatabout. We've actually got a regular crew take turns coming into this thread to try shut down talk of Varadkar in his own thread. You seem to be doing same.
The Green might be an attention seeker or a know-it-all, but that's irrelevant to him seeking a legal decision on policy affects the country. Whatever about you speaking out on such things the leader of Fine Gael, in coalition with the Greens, should not, but can't help himself, be getting all mouthy about the man doing something he's allowed do.

James Brown · 04-03-2021 03:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A preliminary inquiry isn’t a full blown investigation. The Gardai haven’t yet decided if there’s anything to investigate.

blanch152 wrote: »

That doesn't mention the word investigation. The Gardai only launch an investigation when it has been confirmed that a crime has been committed.

From all I have read, the gardai are making preliminary inquiries as to whether a crime has been committed and that they need to complete these inquiries before deciding whether to launch an investigation. The gardai are required to make these preliminary inquiries once a complaint has been made, whether or not the complaint is frivilous or malicious.

You have been over-hyping this issue since the start.

So the 'nothing to see here' has found new depths. We've literally covered every angle on why we should ignore, dismiss or forget Leo Varadkar leaked a confidential negotiation document between the Dept. of Health and the IMO, to his pal, the then head of a rival union.
Varadkar is known to the Garda and there is an investigation on going. The results of which will not change the fact that Leo Varadkar leaked a confidential negotiation document between the Dept. of Health and the IMO, to his pal, the then head of a rival union.

RandomName2 · 04-03-2021 04:08PM

SF will have to come to the realization at some point that FG voters care as much about Varadkar's dealings with general practitioners as SF voters care about the Republican terrorism links.

04-03-2021 04:10PM

smurgen wrote: »

Can Varadkar be taken seriously at all while he is under criminal investigation? Law adherence and appropriate behavior is not he forte

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1367404401942536192?s=19

What criminal investigation?

Cute Hoor · 04-03-2021 04:43PM

I think Leo is great. It is very disappointing that the topic was opened in the first place, that it has lasted over 4 months, and seeing people here being critical of him, suggesting that he leaked a document marked CONFIDENTIAL to zerocraic when he obviously didn’t, suggesting that he (should) apologise(d) to the Dail for leaking a document marked CONFIDENTIAL to zerocraic when he obviously didn’t (why would he apologise to the Dail for something he didn’t do – never happened), and now this – suggesting that he is being investigated by the Gardai. Very very sad. I love Leo.
#ILoveLeo #LeonottheLeak #Leoloadsacraic #PopeLeoXIV

Nobotty · 04-03-2021 04:44PM

smurgen wrote: »

Can Varadkar be taken seriously at all while he is under criminal investigation? Law adherence and appropriate behavior is not he forte

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1367404401942536192?s=19

The Gardaí are investigating a complaint
There is NO criminal investigation
Theres irony here given your misleading statement!

Beasty · 04-03-2021 05:00PM

markodaly wrote: »

Imagine having the need to have a Leo thread. Wasnt that what the FG thread was about?

Lads, its ok to be obsessed, but I always question the motivation behind it.

If you don't want to discuss Leo stay out of this thread

blanch152 · 04-03-2021 05:05PM

smurgen wrote: »

Can Varadkar be taken seriously at all while he is under criminal investigation? Law adherence and appropriate behavior is not he forte

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1367404401942536192?s=19

You post a lie in the same post that you wonder whether a politician can be trusted to tell the truth!!!!

Can you see the irony?

McMurphy · 04-03-2021 05:06PM

Nobotty wrote: »

The Gardaí are investigating a complaint
There is NO criminal investigation
Theres irony here given your misleading statement!

Depends where you get your news from I suppose.

McMurphy wrote: »

I don't know if it's already been mentioned on here, or has been overlooked.

Debbie McCann of the MOS stated in her article that Leo was under a criminal investigation, not a preliminary investigation. I think the mirror reported similar though I'd have to go back and check.

Apparently she's got very good sources within AGS, not sure off the veracity of that claim, but thought it worth pointing out regardless.

Time will tell.

04-03-2021 05:21PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Depends where you get your news from I suppose.

True. Most other media reports have it that the Gardai are investigating a complaint. Vast difference to LV being under criminal investigation.

James Brown · 04-03-2021 05:28PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

SF will have to come to the realization at some point that FG voters care as much about Varadkar's dealings with general practitioners as SF voters care about the Republican terrorism links.

Very big difference. I'd imagine anyone voting SF would accept the links to the IRA.
Also if MLMD did the same as Varadkar I'd imagine most of those votes would evaporate.

James Brown · 04-03-2021 05:32PM

On the back of McMurphy's post I'll just jump in on this:

probe verb
probed; probing; probes
Definition of probe (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb

1: to search into and explore very thoroughly : subject to a penetrating investigation
2: to examine with a probe uncrewed vehicles probed space

FrancieBrady · 04-03-2021 05:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Most other media reports have it that the Gardai are investigating a complaint. Vast difference to LV being under criminal investigation.

This isn't difficult.
Gardai are investigating a complaint that Leo committed a criminal act. Therefore the Gardai are investigating whether Leo committed a criminal act. Therefore Leo is the subject of a criminal investigation.
Whether Leo is a criminal or not is yet to be decided and won't be decided by the Gardai, but by a criminal trial where the court will prosecute the evidence as is his rights under the law.

James Brown · 04-03-2021 05:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

True. Most other media reports have it that the Gardai are investigating a complaint. Vast difference to LV being under criminal investigation.

It's merely engaging in wordplay.
They all mean the same thing. The Garda are investigating/looking at/looking in to/probing/having a cup of tea and a chat regarding a claim LV may have broken the law. FYI: braking the law is a criminal act.

Whatisthisnow · 04-03-2021 05:40PM

James Brown wrote: »

It's merely engaging in wordplay.
They all mean the same thing. The Garda are investigating/looking at/looking in to/probing/having a cup of tea and a chat regarding a claim LV may have broken the law. FYI: braking the law is a criminal act.

Are you sure? People here yesterday said as he was the main man he can determine who gets any document.

When asked if that extended to any leader of country no matter who it is, thats not allowed

Cute Hoor · 04-03-2021 05:46PM

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Are you sure? People here yesterday said as he was the main man he can determine who gets any document.

When asked if that extended to any leader of country no matter who it is, thats not allowed

Unless I'm mistaken the rule is: Taoiseach Varadkar can pass a document marked CONFIDENTIAL to zerocraic or whomsoever he wishes, Taoiseach AnybodyElse shouldn't pass a document marked CONFIDENTIAL to anybody. Not of course that Taoiseach Varadkar would ever dream of doing that.
#ILoveLeo

blanch152 · 04-03-2021 06:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This isn't difficult.
Gardai are investigating a complaint that Leo committed a criminal act. Therefore the Gardai are investigating whether Leo committed a criminal act. Therefore Leo is the subject of a criminal investigation.
Whether Leo is a criminal or not is yet to be decided and won't be decided by the Gardai, but by a criminal trial where the court will prosecute the evidence as is his rights under the law.

That is complete nonsense and shows zero understanding of what the Gardai do. That is surprising because this has been explained on here many times.

Gardai have received a complaint that Leo committed a criminal act. Gardai are inquiring as to whether a criminal act may have been committed. If the Gardai decide that no criminal act took place, the inquiries will end. If the Gardai decide that it is possible that a criminal act took place, they will decide whether it warrants investigation.

That is as far as we have got, no further. Hyperbole and exaggeration of the situation is silly, in my opinion.

McMurphy · 04-03-2021 06:33PM

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Are you sure? People here yesterday said as he was the main man he can determine who gets any document.

When asked if that extended to any leader of country no matter who it is, thats not allowed

Two posters in particular tied themselves together in a lovely knot with that one.

It was the only yes or no answer folk ever had to to travel from here, to the dark side of the moon and back again to avoid saying yes or no on.

It was fcuking hilarious.

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