Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

First Up · 02-03-2021 03:36PM

The distance between the existing promenade and the park at Irishtown is about 250 meters. That would be the length of a boardwalk over the beach, if that option was pursued.

Another way to safely accommodate cyclists would be a 300 meter single lane section on that part of the road with traffic lights controlling alternate flows. It takes a couple of minutes at most to cycle 300 meters. Motorists wait their turn and so do cyclists.

Cheap to install, no planning permission, no risk to the biosphere; some delays to traffic but much better than closing off a key route to East Link and Dublin Port.

I'll let the howls of outrage from MAMILS subside before advising Mr Keegan how to keep (nearly) everyone happy.

Fighting Tao · 02-03-2021 03:37PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

There aren't. There really are not. Head down there and do a morning and evening count for yourself.

Also, any HGV with business in the area, such as delivering construction materials or supplying a business, are perfectly entitled to go where they like. You would have to have the data to subtract those vehicles to get a net extraneous traffic figure.

I have used that road 1000’s of times. There are a lot of 5 axle trucks using it. Go there yourself and you’ll see that they use the road as a through way.

First Up · 02-03-2021 03:39PM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

My question was about whether Strand Road was designed and suitable for heavy traffic. You were complaining about the local roads not being designed and suitable for heavy traffic, so I asked you the same question about Strand Road.

I am talking about the volume of traffic, not just big trucks.

Fighting Tao · 02-03-2021 03:40PM

First Up wrote: »

I am talking about the volume of traffic, not just big trucks.

Your argument has changed so many times that I’m not sure you even know what it is.

First Up · 02-03-2021 03:43PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

I have used that road 1000â€™s of times. There are a lot of 5 axle trucks using it. Go there yourself and youâ€™ll see that they use the road as a through way.

Then even more disruption if they are forced to use alternative routes. Or do you think HGVs could be replaced by cyclists?

PaulieC · 02-03-2021 03:47PM

First Up wrote: »

The distance between the existing promenade and the park at Irishtown is about 250 meters. That would be the length of a boardwalk over the beach, if that option was pursued.

Another way to safely accommodate cyclists would be a 300 meter single lane section on that part of the road with traffic lights controlling alternate flows. It takes a couple of minutes at most to cycle 300 meters. Motorists wait their turn and so do cyclists.

Cheap to install, no planning permission, no risk to the biosphere; some delays to traffic but much better than closing off a key route to East Link and Dublin Port.

I'll let the howls of outrage from MAMILS subside before advising Mr Keegan how to keep (nearly) everyone happy.

800 metres, but you seem to like alternative facts.

Fighting Tao · 02-03-2021 03:55PM

First Up wrote: »

Then even more disruption if they are forced to use alternative routes. Or do you think HGVs could be replaced by cyclists?

5 axle ban!!!! You know this. So they will use the port tunnel and m50 and they don’t all be going to the one location so there are no local roads overloaded with them.

Peregrine · 02-03-2021 03:56PM

First Up wrote: »

The distance between the existing promenade and the park at Irishtown is about 250 meters. That would be the length of a boardwalk over the beach, if that option was pursued.

Another way to safely accommodate cyclists would be a 300 meter single lane section on that part of the road with traffic lights controlling alternate flows. It takes a couple of minutes at most to cycle 300 meters. Motorists wait their turn and so do cyclists.

Cheap to install, no planning permission, no risk to the biosphere; some delays to traffic but much better than closing off a key route to East Link and Dublin Port.

I'll let the howls of outrage from MAMILS subside before advising Mr Keegan how to keep (nearly) everyone happy.

Expert transport advice for the CEO of Dublin City from a guy who can't measure distance between two points properly.

AndrewJRenko · 02-03-2021 04:11PM

First Up wrote: »

I am talking about the volume of traffic, not just big trucks.

You said;

"I know the area well enough to know that the roads around Sandymount and Lansdowne Rd that lead to the East Link are not designed or suitable for heavy commercial traffic."

My logical, follow-up question is whether Strand Road is designed or suitable for heavy commercial traffic, in your opinion.

Trudee · 02-03-2021 04:13PM

Strand Road is a designated entry and exit route to the HGV cordon for those HGVswho have obtained permits to load/ unload within the cordon area. The 24 hour ban will not now come into effect as Strand Road Cycle Trial 'stayed'

buffalo · 02-03-2021 04:14PM

First Up wrote: »

Another way to safely accommodate cyclists would be a 300 meter single lane section on that part of the road with traffic lights controlling alternate flows. It takes a couple of minutes at most to cycle 300 meters. Motorists wait their turn and so do cyclists.

Again, showing your ignorance here. DCC investigated this already and included their findings in the update on the Strand Road Cycle route:

Cumulative unsatisfied travel demand to cumulative travel demand is approximately 34% in each hour for northbound traffic rising to 43% for southbound traffic.
The number of vehicles unable to get through the shuttle quickly builds up
The queue length on Strand Rd by 9am will exceed the length of Strand Rd itself
There will be a queue of vehicles on Strand Rd all day long
A vehicle joining the back of the queue at 1pm would not clear the shuttle till almost 6pm
This will result in a large amount of vehicles diverting through Sandymount in both directions

The result of this measure is extremely severe

Trudee · 02-03-2021 04:15PM

Whether or not Strand Road is suitable for 5 axle vehicles is another matter entirely - currently if you have a permit you can travel on Strand Road and yes there is app to check status of 5 axle vehicles license but doubtful anybody is of the mind to stand 24 hrs a day monitoring

First Up · 02-03-2021 04:16PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

Your argument has changed so many times that Iâ€™m not sure you even know what it is.

Just different parts of it. I am pointing out consequences and implications that obviously hadn't occurred to you.

Trudee · 02-03-2021 04:18PM

Some time back another poster mentioned 'bully' and was told by moderator that they weren't allowed to post to this site, as a newcomer to this forum it would seem like a 'pack' descends on anybody who may have a differing view, it's good to hear all sides with respect.

First Up · 02-03-2021 04:22PM

buffalo wrote:

Again, showing your ignorance here. DCC investigated this already and included their findings in the update on the Strand Road Cycle route:

The level crossing at Merrion Gates is closed for approx 20 minutes per hour at peak commuting times. Traffic is able to cope with that.

And anyway won't loads of those evil cars just evaporate as they are supposed to?

yascaoimhin · 02-03-2021 04:24PM

Trudee wrote: »

Some time back another poster mentioned 'bully' and was told by moderator that they weren't allowed to post to this site, as a newcomer to this forum it would seem like a 'pack' descends on anybody who may have a differing view, it's good to hear all sides with respect.

You're literally sharing your differing view. It just so happens that lots of people disagree with you for multiple reasons and are presenting why.

By referring to people who disagree with you as a "pack" you're dismissing their opinion as merely the same one repeated and championing yours as unique.

Just because you hold an opinion that is different to what the majority in a group hold doesn't mean yours is special or more likely to be right.

First Up · 02-03-2021 04:24PM

Weepsie wrote:

You're making stuff up

Just broadening your horizons pal.

yascaoimhin · 02-03-2021 04:26PM

First Up wrote: »

The level crossing at Merrion Gates is closed for approx 20 minutes per hour at peak commuting times. Traffic is able to cope with that.

And anyway won't loads of those evil cars just evaporate as they are supposed to?

Merrion Gates is due to close completely under DART+ by 2027

https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1311975323031015425?s=20

Fighting Tao · 02-03-2021 04:27PM

First Up wrote: »

Just different parts of it. I am pointing out consequences and implications that obviously hadn't occurred to you.

You pointed out nothing at all....zero...zilch....nada.

First Up · 02-03-2021 04:28PM

Trudee wrote:

Some time back another poster mentioned 'bully' and was told by moderator that they weren't allowed to post to this site, as a newcomer to this forum it would seem like a 'pack' descends on anybody who may have a differing view, it's good to hear all sides with respect.

I've crossed swords with the cyclistas before. I know what to expect. When they get outraged at suggestions they light up at night you know what you are dealing with.

magicbastarder · 02-03-2021 04:33PM

Trudee wrote: »

Some time back another poster mentioned 'bully' and was told by moderator that they weren't allowed to post to this site, as a newcomer to this forum it would seem like a 'pack' descends on anybody who may have a differing view, it's good to hear all sides with respect.

that's actually not how it happened, but please, back on topic.

Grassey · 02-03-2021 04:34PM

First Up wrote:

Another way to safely accommodate cyclists would be a 300 meter single lane section on that part of the road with traffic lights controlling alternate flows. It takes a couple of minutes at most to cycle 300 meters. Motorists wait their turn and so do cyclists.

First Up wrote:

Cheap to install, no planning permission, no risk to the biosphere; some delays to traffic

Wasn't this exactly what the trial was meant to be... Cheap to install, no planning permission, no risk to biosphere

Seth Brundle · 02-03-2021 04:36PM

yascaoimhin wrote: »

Merrion Gates is due to close completely under DART+ by 2027

https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1311975323031015425?s=20

But what about all those people who want to travel to the East Link Bridge?

Thelonious Monk · 02-03-2021 04:37PM

Is this Merrion Gates thing I always hear of where the Dart crosses and the things have to come down?
They're getting rid of that? How? A flyover or something? Surely the locals wouldn't put up with any disturbance?
Will they get rid of the one at Sandymount Dart too?

Trudee · 02-03-2021 04:46PM

Actually I was referring to the responses to First Up

yascaoimhin · 02-03-2021 04:46PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Is this Merrion Gates thing I always hear of where the Dart crosses and the things have to come down?
They're getting rid of that? How? A flyover or something? Surely the locals wouldn't put up with any disturbance?
Will they get rid of the one at Sandymount Dart too?

Who knows at this stage but the future DART service is being delivered under the assumption that there will be no more level crossings in urban Dublin.

They might lower the line, they might just close the road and make it a cul de sac with an underpass for bikes and people.

tomasrojo · 02-03-2021 04:47PM

First Up wrote: »

I'll let the howls of outrage from MAMILS subside before advising Mr Keegan how to keep (nearly) everyone happy.

First Up wrote: »

Just broadening your horizons pal.

First Up wrote: »

I've crossed swords with the cyclistas before. I know what to expect. When they get outraged at suggestions they light up at night you know what you are dealing with.

Not sure to what extent you were arguing in good faith before, but this is just boilerplate invective now.

Trudee · 02-03-2021 04:50PM

yascaoimhin wrote: »

You're literally sharing your differing view. It just so happens that lots of people disagree with you for multiple reasons and are presenting why.

By referring to people who disagree with you as a "pack" you're dismissing their opinion as merely the same one repeated and championing yours as unique.

Just because you hold an opinion that is different to what the majority in a group hold doesn't mean yours is special or more likely to be right.

Actually I was referring to responses to First Up

First Up · 02-03-2021 04:51PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Not sure to what extent you were arguing in good faith before, but this is just boilerplate invective now.

Compared to the abuse thrown at me I am handing out daisy chains.

tomasrojo · 02-03-2021 04:54PM

First Up wrote: »

Compared to the abuse thrown at me I am handing out daisy chains.

I think people have been making fun of you, but that is because your ideas are inconsistent and poorly thought through, and apparently don't even have the benefit of local knowledge.

I don't have much local knowledge of this issue either, but I haven't commented on that aspect, while you've been about two days at it now.

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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