BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

Andrew33 · 28-02-2021 08:21PM

Mjolnir wrote: »

Anything old and French is a money pit haha.

Just French? You can apply that statement to almost any car from any country.
Old Brit? Old German? Old Italian?
They’ll all have issues and cost you money.

Mjolnir · 28-02-2021 08:51PM

Andrew33 wrote: »

Just French? You can apply that statement to almost any car from any country.
Old Brit? Old German? Old Italian?
They’ll all have issues and cost you money.

I'd take a 60's American car over anything old a French anyway.

True enough you can, but we were specifically talking about a clio and French cars, hence the comment about French cars. That being said mk4 golf's can be incredibly hard to kill

Andrew33 · 28-02-2021 09:08PM

Mjolnir wrote: »

I'd take a 60's American car over anything old a French anyway.

True enough you can, but we were specifically talking about a clio and French cars, hence the comment about French cars. That being said mk4 golf's can be incredibly hard to kill

It would definitely depend on what STATE that American car came from.
True enough re Golf and some other cars. There are always exceptions to the rule. Personally, I think ANY car from any country/maker built after 2010(ish) will succumb to the scrapyard far quicker than anything before then. Built in obsolescence has seen to that. I mean, cars are better built, more reliable etc etc so our roads should be jammed with “premium” cars from Merc, BMW etc but they’re not. Where do they all go? Same with mk4 Discos, they used to clog up the carparks in Stillorgan Shopping centre along with mk1 XC90s, thin on the ground now.

Mjolnir · 28-02-2021 09:11PM

Andrew33 wrote: »

It would definitely depend on what STATE that American car came from.
True enough re Golf and some other cars. There are always exceptions to the rule. Personally, I think ANY car from any country/maker built after 2010(ish) will succumb to the scrapyard far quicker than anything before then. Built in obsolescence has seen to that. I mean, cars are better built, more reliable etc etc so our roads should be jammed with “premium” cars from Merc, BMW etc but they’re not. Where do they all go? Same with mk4 Discos, they used to clog up the carparks in Stillorgan Shopping centre along with mk1 XC90s, thin on the ground now.

Oh god yea dry state or nothing
It's like anything make them last a shorter period of time so the consumer has to buy one sooner and sell more products ultimately.

Can anyone remember the car that was made with rusty metal to begin with actually? I remember seeing something about it but can't remember which car it was. Says it all really.

Andrew33 · 28-02-2021 11:01PM

Mjolnir wrote: »

Can anyone remember the car that was made with rusty metal to begin with actually? I remember seeing something about it but can't remember which car it was. Says it all really.

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Mjolnir · 28-02-2021 11:04PM

Andrew33 wrote: »

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Was that it? I watched a documentary on it donkeys years ago and it just sprung to mind.
Was there an old land rover that hand a similar story or am I dreaming that up?
My mate has one of those old defenders holey uncomfortable rot box's.

Mjolnir · 28-02-2021 11:12PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/passat-1-9-tdi-new-nct/27217757

That looks clean as.
If it was in the 08 tax bracket I'd personally call about it tomorrow.

RandomViewer · 28-02-2021 11:17PM

Andrew33 wrote: »

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Datsun120y and Corolla K20 literally dissolved , running gear was common transplant to Escort, Fiat 127 rusted excessively too,

W123-80's · 01-03-2021 01:27AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is it wrong that i immediately dont trust any vehicle posted on adverts?

I like that Clio a lot but it seems way too cheap, no? A 2010 1.2 Clio would be multiples of that.

Love the Colt, love the Puma too (specially the stereo it looks OE?) But with low and Covid extensions i'm not sure if they are great bangernomics.

Haha. I'm the same.
Bad and all as it sounds, I don't even open advert.ie links in this thread!
I have picked up a few bits on adverts over the years. Flower pots and the like but I just can't take it serious for cars.
Before I get lambasted, I fully appreciate that is probably judgemental, narrow minded and illogical but there you go..:pac:

KevRossi · 01-03-2021 11:58AM

Mjolnir wrote: »

Can anyone remember the car that was made with rusty metal to begin with actually? I remember seeing something about it but can't remember which car it was. Says it all really.

Mercedes W123's were notorious for rust. Used to see a huge amount of 15 year old cars in Germany being exported in the 90's as they were total basket cases.

S-Class W126 also had a couple of weak spots, problem being they were in hard to access areas and cost a lot to fix. Anything over 12 years of age was at risk.

Living in Germany in the 90's, we used to take the W126's to Hungary, left them there for a few weeks to get fixed and a full respray, took them back to Germany, new TUV and sold them on.

2ndcoming · 01-03-2021 01:53PM

I might be alone here but I like that little Clio more than a lot of the stuff that gets thrown up here.

I can see why it's cheap, far easier to sell a 1 litre in Ireland and it doesn't have the prestige of a 197 or 182, but for €2k or a bit less it would be a fun little driver for the kind of pissing about I'm doing these days and am likely to do for the foreseeable.

There's only one other on Donedeal: it's a 2015, it is a Renaultsport and it's €13k.

Must be missing my Saxo VTR from when I was a chung fla.

2ndcoming · 01-03-2021 02:03PM

It has me thinking, what would be a good bang for your buck hot hatch from the past 10 years? There isn't much competition out there...

And I don't mean Golfs or Focuses I mean proper little hot hatches in the spirit of the 205gti, Renault 5 GT etc.

Duke O Smiley · 01-03-2021 02:12PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

It has me thinking, what would be a good bang for your buck hot hatch from the past 10 years? There isn't much competition out there...

And I don't mean Golfs or Focuses I mean proper little hot hatches in the spirit of the 205gti, Renault 5 GT etc.

We’ve had a few Suzuki Swift Sports and 100 hp Pandas in this thread in the past

Mjolnir · 01-03-2021 02:12PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

It has me thinking, what would be a good bang for your buck hot hatch from the past 10 years? There isn't much competition out there...

And I don't mean Golfs or Focuses I mean proper little hot hatches in the spirit of the 205gti, Renault 5 GT etc.

By excluding golf's you're basically excluding the hot hatch poster boy but

Renault 197/182
Supercharged Cooper
Up gti
Leon cupra
S1
Civic type r
I30 n

Those would be off the top of my head the more highly regarded ones to varying degrees from about ten years or more ago

2ndcoming · 01-03-2021 02:23PM

It really is a dying breed.

Leon is a Golf, Civic, Focus, Astra etc are all that slightly bigger class.

You have the rare and mad dear like the S1, the Abarth 500, the Renaultsport. I wouldn't go near a Mini tbh but they ain't all that mini anyway.

There is a Polo GTI but again, rare and too expensive to be worthwhile.

For Forks Sake · 01-03-2021 02:33PM

Mjolnir wrote: »

By excluding golf's you're basically excluding the hot hatch poster boy but

Renault 197/182
Supercharged Cooper
Up gti
Leon cupra
S1
Civic type r
I30 n

Those would be off the top of my head the more highly regarded ones to varying degrees from about ten years or more ago

Fiesta ST

Polo GTi (newer one with the 200hp engine), but they're rarer than rocking horse sh1t

Citroen DS3 Racing - even rarer than the Polo

Magown3 · 01-03-2021 02:36PM

I presume he's talking about fun cars within the bangernomics budget.

A well looked after Ignis Sport would fall within budget.
Colt CZ5
Mini Cooper
Fabia VRS (1.9 TDi version) (Prob not under 2k limit tho)

alastair · 01-03-2021 02:57PM

Andrew33 wrote: »

There is a story about Italian car makers buying Japanese steel (or the other way around) in late 70s/early 80s which bred the legends that Italian/Japanese cars of that era rusted faster than you could get them out of the showrooms. Notorious rusters but the reputations were definitely encouraged at the time by British media to divert attention from how terrible the BL stuff was.

Fiat / the Italian government got a load of Soviet steel in exchange for the tech and production plants they sold Lada. That allegedly poor quality steel, and iffy quality control on their new Naples plant - a subsidised venture to try and bring some industrial wealth to the south - meant that the Alfasud got a reputation of rusting in the factory. The same steel was used by all the Italian manufacturers, and impacted all their reputation for rotting.

Duke O Smiley · 01-03-2021 04:49PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla/27388382

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88 Corolla hatch with tax til July and NCT all the way to September 2022, €1950

2 owners, low miles. Won't appeal to everyone but I think this is lovely for the money, and I'd say that its not something that is ever likely to depreciate if kept in good nick.

CoBo55 · 01-03-2021 04:58PM

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla/27388382

88 Corolla hatch with tax til July and NCT all the way to September 2022, €1950

2 owners, low miles. Won't appeal to everyone but I think this is lovely for the money, and I'd say that its not something that is ever likely to depreciate if kept in good nick.

That looks really lovely, not stupid money either a far nicer looking car than the saloon. Mayo?? couldn't be further away...

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 01-03-2021 04:58PM

Would anyone have reason to suspect the 99k milage on that?

wotzgoingon · 01-03-2021 05:02PM

CoBo55 wrote: »

Mayo?? couldn't be further away...

Not far from me. Well beyond my 5km though.

colm_mcm · 01-03-2021 05:08PM

323f
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mazda-323f/27388181?fbclid=IwAR21p2cxqTnm8rRFckkVyCqyHW9X7kQT7E2VIUcuxxSSs34IWLC39iLPyNg

CoBo55 · 01-03-2021 05:09PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Would anyone have reason to suspect the 99k milage on that?

The car is 33 years old, mileage at that age is almost irrelevant it's all down condition.

Duke O Smiley · 01-03-2021 08:13PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-alfa-1-9-jtd-only-97k-new-nct-tax/27390951

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Cheap(ish) tax 159 estate with tax until June and NCT til April 2022, 1 owner and claiming 97k miles, €1850

This looks really nice.

crasy dash · 01-03-2021 08:16PM

That's lovely I'd happily buy and drive that Alfa great find Duke

Duke O Smiley · 01-03-2021 08:23PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2006-subaru-legacy-awd-fsh-long-nct-21-2021-full-leather-auto/27390802

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Seemingly well looked after 2.5 Legacy with NCT til December, nice spec and premium tyres, €950

I know the tax makes something like this a bit of a redundant bangernomics effort, but it looks lovely for the money

wotzgoingon · 01-03-2021 08:26PM

Great front end on that Alfa. Alloys suit it too.

wotzgoingon · 01-03-2021 08:28PM

What are the automatics like on those Legacy's?

nsnoefc1878 · 01-03-2021 11:32PM

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Great front end on that Alfa. Alloys suit it too.

Totally agree on both. Cracking looking car.

This bit from the ad doesn't fill me with confidence tho
Any mechanical inspection welcome 🙏
Why is he praying 😅

BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day Part 6

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