Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

First Up · 27-02-2021 02:29PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

You did hear of the port tunnel. It opened years ago and leads onto the m50 which circles most of the city?

Some will. Many won't.

Larbre34 · 27-02-2021 02:31PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

The 5 axle ban is extending to Sandymount too.

Thats been suspended along with the cycleway works (per DCC twitter yesterday). Hopefully we will see the buses revert to their regular routing too asap.

Fighting Tao · 27-02-2021 02:33PM

First Up wrote: »

Some will. Many won't.

Report them. There is an app for that.

Fighting Tao · 27-02-2021 02:34PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Thats been suspended along with the cycleway works (per DCC twitter yesterday). Hopefully we will see the buses revert to their regular routing too asap.

Yeah it’s sad that 5 axles can still go through Sandymount village at will.

Seth Brundle · 27-02-2021 02:43PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Yeah it’s sad that 5 axles can still go through Sandymount village at will.

It's the will of the people, seemingly
:rolleyes:

knockoutned · 27-02-2021 03:09PM

First Up wrote: »

Lets hear what he has to say when the first child is killed by a truck on Sandymount Green.

The truck would have to moving at some speed to break through the wall to get into the green, which the current setup of narrow streets and car parked does not allow!

tomasrojo · 27-02-2021 03:14PM

I'm not going to bore people with my unusual-load carrying efforts again, but I'll just say that carrying shopping on a bike is not difficult, uncommon or expensive to accomplish.

Edit: since someone mentioned it, I know grandparents who carry small kids on bikes. That's not that big a deal either, especially in the Netherlands, but it's hardly crazy talk here either.

Fighting Tao · 27-02-2021 03:15PM

knockoutned wrote: »

The truck would have to moving at some speed to break through the wall to get into the green, which the current setup of narrow streets and car parked does not allow!

Thanks for the smart reply. Coming from Irishtown allows for decent speeds.

First Up · 27-02-2021 03:18PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

Report them. There is an app for that.

Report who for what?

AndrewJRenko · 27-02-2021 03:19PM

First Up wrote: »

Cycling is great and I'm all for it. But it doesn't work for some people and for some journeys - long distance, shopping, families with small kids, old people and commercial transport to name a few.

Fair point, it's clearly impossible to carry any shopping load on a bike;

https://twitter.com/pedalmeapp/status/1365271389108908034

And completely impractical for families with kids to travel by bike.
https://twitter.com/MamaMoose_Be/status/1357368167006429186

First Up wrote: »

Lets hear what he has to say when the first child is killed by a truck on Sandymount Green.

Children are killed by motorists on the roads with alarming regularity. The best thing we can do to reduce road deaths is to persuade people to switch to other forms of travel.

knockoutned · 27-02-2021 03:42PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Thanks for the smart reply. Coming from Irishtown allows for decent speeds.

There is nothing smart about it. My kids play in the park daily.

Coming from Irishtown, the truck would first have to pass all the cars pulling in and out outside Tesco, which would slow them down, however, if they still manage to keep their speed, would then have to pull a sharp right before hitting a wall into the green.

It’s this type of “would someone think of the children” nonsense that has lead to this delay.

I know you didn’t post the original point.

First Up · 27-02-2021 03:42PM

Weepsie wrote:

I must have imagined all the families with small kids I've seen cycling only today. There's plenty in my area who cycle with small kids, carriers, trailers, those "bike attachments". There are loads of ways.

I'm not surprised that the bike lobby has descended on this but they are missing the point. Cyclists and other road users could co-exist on Strand Rd. A dedicated cycle way with a section over the beach and another in the park would be a great amenity, easy to construct and would attract more cyclists

It would give everyone what they need but that isn't Keegan's agenda. So instead, legitimate road users will be inconvenienced and Sandymount and Irishtown will get more traffic than they can safely handle.

Pinch Flat · 27-02-2021 03:46PM

First Up wrote: »

, legitimate road.

Wait have I missed something - are cyclists not not legitimate road users?

Larbre34 · 27-02-2021 03:49PM

I agree with that.

Its an lazy argument to say that a cycleway on the prom would take six years to design and get through planning. The question ought to be, why wasn't the City Council on top of doing precisely that 6 years ago or even 15 years ago when the Port Tunnel opened?

The case for doing it has always been strong and the CC is using the pandemic both to railroad through substandard alternatives and to cover up their own incompetence in this matter down the years. Also for Keegan to be saying 'we're doing it anyway' before the legal and administrative review processes are complete is pretty disgraceful from an unelected official.

The sooner we have an elected Mayor with strong executive powers over the whole 4 counties of this City, the better for everyone.

Podge_irl · 27-02-2021 03:52PM

First Up wrote: »

I'm not surprised that the bike lobby has descended on this but they are missing the point. Cyclists and other road users could co-exist on Strand Rd. A dedicated cycle way with a section over the beach and another in the park would be a great amenity, easy to construct and would attract more cyclists

It would give everyone what they need but that isn't Keegan's agenda. So instead, legitimate road users will be inconvenienced and Sandymount and Irishtown will get more traffic than they can safely handle.

Cyclists and motorists should be able to co-exist on basically every road in the country outside motorways. The fact they can't is overwhelmingly the fault of motorists, not cyclists.

Private motor transport is going to become more and more restricted as time goes on. It is inevitable.

First Up · 27-02-2021 03:55PM

Pinch Flat wrote:

Wait have I missed something - are cyclists not not legitimate road users?

Of course they are but they are not being inconvenienced.

Fighting Tao · 27-02-2021 04:06PM

First Up wrote: »

Report who for what?

5 axles in Sandymount once the ban comes into place. It was discussed a few pages back. Another red herring argument!

Fighting Tao · 27-02-2021 04:07PM

knockoutned wrote: »

There is nothing smart about it. My kids play in the park daily.

Coming from Irishtown, the truck would first have to pass all the cars pulling in and out outside Tesco, which would slow them down, however, if they still manage to keep their speed, would then have to pull a sharp right before hitting a wall into the green.

It’s this type of “would someone think of the children” nonsense that has lead to this delay.

I know you didn’t post the original point.

It was not me that was arguing about trucks in Sandymount. Read the posts. I said there was a ban coming in as part of the Strand road changes.

First Up · 27-02-2021 04:10PM

Podge_irl wrote:

Cyclists and motorists should be able to co-exist on basically every road in the country outside motorways. The fact they can't is overwhelmingly the fault of motorists, not cyclists.

That horse has been flogged enough already. Everyone has to use the roads that are available to get to where they need to go.

Podge_irl wrote:

Private motor transport is going to become more and more restricted as time goes on. It is inevitable.

As alternatives emerge, they will be used. In the meantime it would be good if people like Keegan thought more about "and" than "or".

First Up · 27-02-2021 04:14PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

5 axles in Sandymount once the ban comes into place. It was discussed a few pages back. Another red herring argument!

I don't think many 5 axles use Strand Rd. The traffic forced into the village will be smaller vehicles.

knockoutned · 27-02-2021 04:21PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

It was not me that was arguing about trucks in Sandymount. Read the posts. I said there was a ban coming in as part of the Strand road changes.

Before we go back and forward, read my full comment that you quoted. We are both in agreement about the trucks, but my original comment was on another user hyperbole which you said was smart!

Pinch Flat · 27-02-2021 04:29PM

First Up wrote: »

Of course they are but they are not being inconvenienced.

I think you'll find they are. Spend and afternoon on a bike and you'll soon see how inconvenienced cyclists are.

First Up · 27-02-2021 04:37PM

Pinch Flat wrote:

I think you'll find they are. Spend and afternoon on a bike and you'll soon see how inconvenienced cyclists are.

Oh I'm sure you suffer no end but that has nothing to do with the plans for Sandymount, which is what we are talking about.

magicbastarder · 27-02-2021 04:58PM

First Up wrote: »

I don't think many 5 axles use Strand Rd. The traffic forced into the village will be smaller vehicles.

i was passed by quite a few when i was commuting, i suspect deliveries to the frascati centre and the like.

First Up · 27-02-2021 05:01PM

magicbastarder wrote:

i was passed by quite a few when i was commuting, i suspect deliveries to the frascati centre and the like.

Can they still use it southbound?

buffalo · 27-02-2021 05:11PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

The sooner we have an elected Mayor with strong executive powers over the whole 4 counties of this City, the better for everyone.

Do you want strong executive powers or not? If Keegan was elected Mayor, say by the majority who responded to the public consultation, you'd be perfectly happy with all this?

Larbre34 · 27-02-2021 05:52PM

buffalo wrote: »

Do you want strong executive powers or not? If Keegan was elected Mayor, say by the majority who responded to the public consultation, you'd be perfectly happy with all this?

Nope.

I'd be happy if the City Council followed the law. An elected Mayor could be held to account directly for that. Keegan can't.

Whats happened the last few weeks and months is an abuse of process on the part of the Council.

Larbre34 · 27-02-2021 05:54PM

I think there's some confusion.

The 5-axle ban extension is off.

ted1 · 27-02-2021 06:19PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Thats been suspended along with the cycleway works (per DCC twitter yesterday). Hopefully we will see the buses revert to their regular routing too asap.

Why would they ? It’s only suspended. It’s the route they’ll use in Future

ted1 · 27-02-2021 06:21PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Nope.

I'd be happy if the City Council followed the law. An elected Mayor could be held to account directly for that. Keegan can't.

Whats happened the last few weeks and months is an abuse of process on the part of the Council.

That’s your personal opinion. Not the courts.
As far as everybody knows the law has been followed.

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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