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Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

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    #32
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,086 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A long overdue overhaul.

    I'll wait to see how it functions before commenting further. Government tends to announce great and lofty plans but the execution is dire.


    But, on the surface, it's great news.

    Given that the vast majority of AS are bogus, and are illegal immigrants, how is it great news?

    Surely great news would be to reduce the number of illegal immigrants entering the country?


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    #33
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,086 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Tork wrote: »
    Has anybody done a costing of this? Might it be cheaper long-term to house all these people than continue to pay through the nose for the centres?

    Here's an idea: don't let illegal immigrants past the port / airport.

    Process their claims in 24 hours max.


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    #34
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    No its not.

    This lie las been debunked many times.


    A lie?....Ireland 2040


    https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/property-construction-land-prospects/planning-for-a-population-increase-of-1-million-people-1.3269858


    The ultimate objectives of the NPF are to guide the future development of Ireland, taking into account a projected one million increase in population, the need to create 660,000 additional jobs to achieve full employment and a predicted need for 550,000 more homes by 2040.
    Of the one million extra people expected here, 25per cent are being planned for Dublin and 25per cent across Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford combined – enabling all four to grow their population and jobs by 50-60 per cent. The remaining 50 per cent of growth is planned to occur in key regional centres, towns, villages and rural areas, to be determined in the assemblies’ forthcoming regional plans (RSESs).


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    #35
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics from the lads who want this system directed at our own homeless, the same fellas who will tell you that our homeless are just lazy and shouldn't be given houses anyway, i.e. the 'welfare class'. The same folk will also argue against any form of social or affordable housing.


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    #36
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Whatever about reforming the application system / process -


    Aren't we just currently paying private hoteliers etc. a lot of public money to keep people in privately owned premesis for large profit, often in fairly poor conditions (not getting close to any kind of bang for buck) surely this is a positive step regardless? no?

    Also ignoring the "wharrabout are homeliss" for a few minutes.

    That money will be nothing compared to the amount we'll have to cough up now that the floodgates that have been opened . You'll have ever asylum seeker landing on our shores looking for an apartment . Wait until the next financial crash when Irish people start losing their homes again while the new arrivals are safe and sound in theirs. I pity the next green or labour politician that calls to my door canvasing


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    #37
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,086 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Independent politicians, either TDs or councillors are the only ones who will oppose this. It's interesting how the likes of Fine Gael, Fianna Fail, Sinn Fein etc. seem to have almost unanimous support for all these policies. Perhaps they are more "moral" than people who aren't connected to their political parties, hmmmm

    I am disappointed in FF, FG.

    If they are parties that support workers, and support law and order, they should be against illegal immigrants, and for Irish workers.

    Yet people are charged 48.5% marginal income tax rate on any income over 36k, to pay for this??

    If anti-immigrant parties do appear, the blame falls squarely on the current main parties.


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    #38
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    kildare lad wrote: »
    That money will be nothing compared to the amount we'll have to cough up now that the floodgates that have been opened . You'll have ever asylum seeker landing on our shores looking for an apartment . Wait until the next financial crash when Irish people start losing their homes again while the new arrivals are safe and sound in theirs. I pity the next green or labour politician that calls to my door canvasing

    Ok, boogie man stuff then.


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    #39
    ExMachina1000
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    A bad day for the young Irish who can only dream of owning their own home, a bad day for families living in hotels, a bad day for people on public housing waiting lists,a bad day for homeless and disadvantaged people.

    A great day for asylum from all corners of the globe.

    Talk about painting a target on your own back

    The irony of young people who made the most noise about ending direct provision are the same people who need affordable housing themselves.

    They have played themselves


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    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    A bad day for the young Irish who can only dream of owning their own home, a bad day for families living in hotels, a bad day for people on public housing waiting lists,a bad day for homeless and disadvantaged people.

    A great day for asylum from all corners of the globe.

    The irony of young people who made the most noise about ending direct provision are the same people who need affordable housing themselves.

    They have played themselves



    Does this new system mean the end of affordable housing or something? what am i not seeing here....?


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    #41
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    May be a blessing in disguise, if they actually vet people properly and return home the economic migrants sharpish, we might see a dramatic reduction in asylum claims, thats the most optimistic view i know, not a hope can the govt provide own door accommodation to thousands every year.

    They are not doing that now. I would have no confidence they will do it in properly in the future. Vetting is where the resources should be pumped in.

    It will get worse not better.

    Thousands will come and get a free house and the overflow will be housed in hotels like they are now.


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    #42
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    kildare lad wrote: »
    That money will be nothing compared to the amount we'll have to cough up now that the floodgates that have been opened . You'll have ever asylum seeker landing on our shores looking for an apartment . Wait until the next financial crash when Irish people start losing their homes again while the new arrivals are safe and sound in theirs. I pity the next green or labour politician that calls to my door canvasing

    It's not just Labour and Greens. There is unanimous support for this amounst Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein as well. People need to start speaking up


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    #43
    Wii776
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Wii776


    This is going to make a lot of people very angry

    Why should I, as an irish citizen, have increased housing insecurity in order to facilitate a non citizen who is statistically likely to be a bogus asylum seeker. I'd vote for the devil himself at this stage if it got rid of bull **** like this


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    #44
    statesaver
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    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Does this new system mean the end of affordable housing or something? what am i not seeing here....?

    Houses getting built


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    #45
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Wii776 wrote: »
    This is going to make a lot of people very angry

    Why should I, as an irish citizen, have increased housing insecurity in order to facilitate a non citizen who is statistically likely to be a bogus asylum seeker. I'd vote for the devil himself at this stage if it got rid of bull **** like this

    How does this system increase housing insecurity for citizens?


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    #46
    ExMachina1000
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    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Does this new system mean the end of affordable housing or something? what am i not seeing here....?

    Less houses. Tighter supply. There is no mass nationwide building of affordable homes. Nor will there be. Rents and house prices only going one way.


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    #47
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Less houses. Tighter supply. There is no mass nationwide building of affordable homes. Nor will there be. Rents and house prices only going one way.

    What do the asylum system changes have to do with that?


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    #48
    TomTomTim
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    Ireland is turning into a parody of a badly ran nation; it's like something from a comedy, minus the humor. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who come after us, as they'll be left with nation in a very bad state, that will be incredibly hard to fix.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #49
    [Deleted User]
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    Geuze wrote: »
    I am disappointed in FF, FG.

    If they are parties that support workers, and support law and order, they should be against illegal immigrants, and for Irish workers.

    Yet people are charged 48.5% marginal income tax rate on any income over 36k, to pay for this??

    If anti-immigrant parties do appear, the blame falls squarely on the current main parties.

    Agreed. The simple fact is they don't care what you think. There are no viable alternatives, they know this and they know there won't be for 10-20 years. Please don't even mention Sinn Fein to me, a party who would open the system even more


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    #50
    Doctor Roast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Doctor Roast


    Are we ever going to get politicians that think and act in the interests of Irish people?

    What we have at the moment is project implementation managers for the EU and various other organisations


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    #51
    ExMachina1000
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    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    What do the asylum system changes have to do with that?

    Councils buy up properties in towns and villages. Places with already tiny availability. Less property available for purchase or rent. Housing supply and availability is already minuscule.


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    #52
    Yakov P. Golyadkin
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    Patrick2010 wrote: »
    A lie?....Ireland 2040


    https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/property-construction-land-prospects/planning-for-a-population-increase-of-1-million-people-1.3269858


    The ultimate objectives of the NPF are to guide the future development of Ireland, taking into account a projected one million increase in population, the need to create 660,000 additional jobs to achieve full employment and a predicted need for 550,000 more homes by 2040.
    Of the one million extra people expected here, 25per cent are being planned for Dublin and 25per cent across Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford combined – enabling all four to grow their population and jobs by 50-60 per cent. The remaining 50 per cent of growth is planned to occur in key regional centres, towns, villages and rural areas, to be determined in the assemblies’ forthcoming regional plans (RSESs).

    You should read that again. It doesn't say what you think it does, or what was claimed earlier.


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    #53
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,390 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    This may be the catalyst for a right wing party to finally emerge here and clean up the left mess in government.
    Super woke nonsense, decided by the voter mass of those that dont pay income tax, paid for by people like myself.


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    #54
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Does this new system mean the end of affordable housing or something? what am i not seeing here....?

    You don't see anything wrong with housing people within 4 months of arriving in Ireland . Do you not think every asylum seeker coming to europe is gonna head straight for here , it's lunacy


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    #55
    blanch152
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    There is no problem with what is proposed, so long as it goes only to genuine refugees.

    The problem isn't what is proposed for asylum seekers, it is with the system that takes so long to process them and rejects so few. A fast-track system with a dedicated court for appeals is what is needed alongside this proposal.


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    #56
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    What do the asylum system changes have to do with that?

    Supply and demand. Less supply with a high demand for housing pushes up prices for everyone.

    The supply of housing is already a problem


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    #57
    Wii776
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Wii776


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    How does this system increase housing insecurity for citizens?

    Because this will act like a magnet, drawing people from all over great world looking for free housing an welfare. Anyone saying otherwise has something to gain from it.

    More people competing means higher prices . Higher prices, and less security. I cant afford to pay any more than I do in rent . The scramble for housing to place these people will drive up rents. Landlords want to maximise returns . Hence I am now at more risk of losing my accommodation


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    #58
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,070 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Lads, look on the bright side

    Does this mean we'll be able to start going to Mosney for our holliers?

    Given that international travel might be being stopped for the foreseeable future it might be all that some can aim for.


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    #59
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users Posts: 18,086 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Ireland in talks with Led Zeppelin to make their song our national anthem

    you know the one I mean..


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    #60
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    kildare lad wrote: »
    You don't see anything wrong with housing people within 4 months of arriving in Ireland . Do you not think every asylum seeker coming to europe is gonna head straight for here , it's lunacy

    They're already put straight into hotels & dp centres anyway - the difference now is that the govt. will be providing the services instead of private companies being paid huge amounts with profit...

    This isn't the floodgates moment that the reaction is claiming..


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    #61
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,070 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    Ireland in talks with Led Zeppelin to make their song our national anthem

    you know the one I mean..


    Stairway to Heaven?
    Kashmir?


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