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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • #1862
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    robinph wrote: »
    If he'd put his hand out directly then he could have been hit by the car (although there would be separate issues regarding road positioning then) but also the car could have taken it as a sign of him about to pull out in front of the car, I'd have read it as an intention not to pull out before the car but behind them and either way the van should have anticipated the move and left a space regardless of any indication. If there was a pot hole in the road and the bike needed both hand to avoid it and so didn't signal at all then the van should still be expecting them to be merging into their lane at that point.

    Which takes priority for a cyclist? Holding onto the handlebars, or putting your arm out to indicate?


    And here is a perfect example of people on this forum unable to accept criticism of a cyclist.

    Your creating hypothetical catastrophes to justify something that clearly isn’t in line with the requirements of a road user.

    Which takes priority, following the rules of the road or not following them because of some if my aunt had balls argument.
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  • #1863
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    robinph wrote: »
    The van is obliged to not deliberately crash into the vehicle in front of them though. If they see another vehicle infront, travelling at a similar speed and the road narrowing then they are obliged to do everything possible not to crash into them and leave room for the vehicle infront, regardless of any paint on the road. The lane markings don't really matter. If the van couldn't anticipate that the road was narrowing and the vehicle in front would need to move over then they are at fault.

    If it was a car then the van would 100% of left the space as they would have feared more for their paintwork and bumper, as it was a cyclist they figured they could intimidate the more vulnerable road user.


    Lane marking don’t matter.

    Sure.
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  • #1864
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Oh and on this, rules of the road are not statue. Plenty of times I've witnessed road users have to break them because someone has put them at risk, or poor road design, etc etc.



    Another ridiculous argument.

    Because you witnessed something somewhere else by someone doing something else it justifies not following rules of the road.
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  • #1865
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Weepsie wrote: »
    lawrence, there's absolutely no defending the driving either which you don't seem to be concerned with. This isn't a cyclist siege mentality. The quality of the driving is absolutely ****e, and the drivers awareness is poor at best, but from a purely legal point of view the cyclist, and I'm going by what they've said on twitter, seems to think a signal is enough to go ahead and merge.

    The driver deserves a serious talking to as well in this situation



    That's my poster hat on. This is my Mod Hat on, and again for your benefit.

    You have shown a history of coming on and going on about cyclists not showing responsibility, or wanting to blame this, that etc. You have rarely ever actually tried to engage in any proper discussion, so if you are going to post, first thing you can do is stop this nonsense "ah you can't criticise cyclists here", because you can. You can't come in bullheaded, with your mind made up though and not offer any reasonable debate though



    I didn’t defend the driving.

    If you took the time to read my post instead of jumping to attack my opinion of the cyclist not indicating correctly you might have noticed what I said.

    Il help you:
    “ but every road user should be considerate and allow people to merge, every road user should be extra considerate to the more vulnerable road users”
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1866
    tnegun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭tnegun


    cletus wrote: »
    This is the crux of the matter. The van driver is not obliged to allow the cyclist into the lane. The cyclist is obliged to merge safely and appropriately.

    If it was a car trying to merge, it's the same story. The van driver doesn't have to allow any vehicle to merge there.

    What happened after the merge is the fault of the driver






    Given the conditions and his speed I think it was safe and an appropriate merge it goes both ways for merging this is in the ROTR



    "It is important to understand that the right of way is not an absolute right of way. You must proceed with caution, having regard for other road users."
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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  • #1867
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Righttobike really needs to dump the cameras and just enjoy his cycling. He certainly seems to experience far more close passes/incidents per day then anyone else I know.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1868
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,705 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Righttobike really needs to dump the cameras and just enjoy his cycling. He certainly seems to experience far more close passes/incidents per day then anyone else I know.

    How will dumping his cameras help?
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1869
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    How will dumping his cameras help?

    If it's not on camera, it didn't happen! ;)
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1870
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Righttobike really needs to dump the cameras and just enjoy his cycling. He certainly seems to experience far more close passes/incidents per day then anyone else I know.

    I suspect this is a factor in the Garda going hard on him/her. YouTube and twitter has many videos posted by camera toting cyclists going out of their way to get material for their next Outrage video. Ordinary cyclysts going about their daily commute or pleasure cycle don't see nearly as many incidents as these drama queens.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1871
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    going out of their way to get material for their next Outrage video.

    One way of looking at it.

    Perhaps if vehicles gave him the requisite gap on overtaking it'd be better
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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  • #1872
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,705 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I suspect this is a factor in the Garda going hard on him/her. YouTube and twitter has many videos posted by camera toting cyclists going out of their way to get material for their next Outrage video. Ordinary cyclysts going about their daily commute or pleasure cycle don't see nearly as many incidents as these drama queens.

    What exactly did he do that was 'going out of his way to get material' in this case?
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1873
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,995 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    A lot of posters here can’t accept any criticism of cyclists. I think your correct, no road user has a right to just join another lane of traffic, but every road user should be considerate and allow people to merge, every road user should be extra considerate to the more vulnerable road users.
    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    And here is a perfect example of people on this forum unable to accept criticism of a cyclist.

    MOD VOICE: I'm just going to nip this in the bud as it comes up every few weeks. This forum more than any other I have seen holds cyclists to a higher standard and often puts.regular posters to rights when they make errors, myself included. Focus on the discussion, if you go down this road again, you'll find yourself banned as it's lazy trolling rather than discussion.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1874
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    What exactly did he do that was 'going out of his way to get material' in this case?

    In this case? Or in all the other cases he posts on twitter? Perhaps the Garda is trying to discourage such activity by issuing a small fine to say 'keep out of trouble'.
    Regardless, if the fines are unjustified he can contest them.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1875
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,705 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Deleted User wrote: »
    In this case? Or in all the other cases he posts on twitter?

    Either - take your pick. Please show any video where he 'went out of his way' to cause an incident.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1876
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Righttobike really needs to dump the cameras and just enjoy his cycling. He certainly seems to experience far more close passes/incidents per day then anyone else I know.



    His montage of the numerous incidents approaching a roundabout is pretty frightening. The fact that so many cars / vans are doing the exact same incorrect thing would suggest the junction/ road layout / signage itself needs adjusting because it not fit for the purpose of the many road users who use it.
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  • #1877
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Either - take your pick. Please show any video where he 'went out of his way' to cause an incident.

    Look, I'm just raising the possibility that it could well be a factor in the Garda's thinking. If you're looking for one of your never ending boards arguments you aint getting it here Andy.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1878
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Look, I'm just raising the possibility that it could well be a factor in the Garda's thinking. If you're looking for one of your never ending boards arguments you aint getting it here Andy.

    It’s possible that’s what the Garda thought, but that’s no reason to issue a fine. The only illegal manoeuvres caught on tape are motorists.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1879
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I suspect this is a factor in the Garda going hard on him/her. YouTube and twitter has many videos posted by camera toting cyclists going out of their way to get material for their next Outrage video. Ordinary cyclysts going about their daily commute or pleasure cycle don't see nearly as many incidents as these drama queens.

    I don't think he goes out of his way to "generate" footage for his cameras, but he does seem to relish the confrontations. If he catches up with the driver at the next set of lights, he confronts them.

    Ah I dunno, maybe I'm just immune to these close passes now, but I do enjoy cycling and I think if I was to start recording every single incident on film, I'd end up turning myself offcycling.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1880
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    If he catches up with the driver at the next set of lights, he confronts them.

    Some motorists are completely oblivious to the dangers they put cyclists in..

    They have no understanding of what 1m from their wing mirror actually is or the impact of not being fully aware of what's going on around them.

    It's important to challenge those incidents in the hope their driving pattern changes.
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  • #1881
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    micar wrote: »

    It's important to challenge those incidents in the hope their driving pattern changes.

    Agree. But challenging a motorist at the next set of lights is not the way to do it. All that does is confirm to the motorist that cyclists are crazy,aggressive, non road tax paying muppets. We know that's wrong, but your not going to change their view by shouting at them.

    IMO, By all means Record the incident. Then report it to the Gardai.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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  • #1882
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Wildly Boaring wrote: »
    One way of looking at it.

    Perhaps if vehicles gave him the requisite gap on overtaking it'd be better

    Takes two to tango.
    partyguinness wrote: »
    It's called 'dominating the road'. It is a tactic and deemed a lot safer than hugging the footpath. It makes the car slow right and to think about it when passing you.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116382321&postcount=5283

    I have encountered a cyclist dominating the road on an R road. When passing him, I couldn't provide a 1m gap because there was a stone wall to the right and the cyclist was almost cycling down the middle of the road and to the right of the center line of the lane.
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  • #1883
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Takes two to tango.

    You often see cyclists 3 abreast and believe they should pay road tax?
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1884
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I have encountered a cyclist dominating the road on an R road. When passing him, I couldn't provide a 1m.

    Then you shouldn't have tried to overtake!
    Cyclist, car, truck, van, pedestrian....it doesn't matter who or what you are overtaking...if it's not possible to overtake safely, you shouldn't overtake.
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  • #1885
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,705 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Look, I'm just raising the possibility that it could well be a factor in the Garda's thinking. If you're looking for one of your never ending boards arguments you aint getting it here Andy.

    You're probably right that this kind of thinking was a major factor in the Garda action. I'm just pointing out that it has no basis in fact.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1886
    Seaswimmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    micar wrote: »
    Some motorists are completely oblivious to the dangers they put cyclists in..

    They have no understanding of what 1m from their wing mirror actually is or the impact of not being fully aware of what's going on around them.

    It's important to challenge those incidents in the hope their driving pattern changes.


    I'm with 07Lapierre here. When I went back cycle commuting in 2006 I spent the first year trying to "educate" motorists nicely when I felt they had put me in danger or done something which I felt was wrong. It turned into an incredibly frustrating experience which led to numerous shouting matches with me feeling stressed and angry afterwards. I doubt if I changed a single bit of driver behaviour. Now I enjoy my cycling, cycle defensively, acknowledge courtesies and rarely if ever have any motorist interactions.
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  • #1887
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,373 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    He certainly seems to experience far more close passes/incidents per day then anyone else I know.

    He seems to, but it's not due to his cycling style in fairness. Some people can be a bit provocative no matter what transport they're using, but the many incidents are simply a reflection of appalling driving and dropping his usage of cameras won't improve it.

    I wouldn't drop the use of a camera, I have one case in the courts for dangerous/careless driving (probably will be reduced to careless). If anyone is a dangerous dick they need to be hauled up for it. I don't go around shouting at people, but I wouldn't be a stranger in using non parliamentary language when I deem it required.

    People do it in cars all the time, probably generally for innocuous incidents. Only reason people don't get their knickers in a twist is because you don't hear them from within their vehicles.
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  • #1888
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,705 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    I'm with 07Lapierre here. When I went back cycle commuting in 2006 I spent the first year trying to "educate" motorists nicely when I felt they had put me in danger or done something which I felt was wrong. It turned into an incredibly frustrating experience which led to numerous shouting matches with me feeling stressed and angry afterwards. I doubt if I changed a single bit of driver behaviour. Now I enjoy my cycling, cycle defensively, acknowledge courtesies and rarely if ever have any motorist interactions.

    That's your choice. For me, it is absolutely cathartic to engage, even more so to make Garda reports with video evidence.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1889
    Seaswimmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    hesker wrote: »
    I try to do the same now. I don’t have a camera and feel It’s just not worth engaging. But you have to admit this approach does nothing to reduce the number of incidents. One is not related to the other.


    Absolutely. I guess we all handle things in our own way. If it helps Andy to engage and pursue it then great. He may change a motorists behaviour. For me I dont think motorists are deliberately out to get me. Certainly if I felt there was a deliberate attempt to harm me then I would surely try and do something about it but I believe the vast majority of motorists are the same as the vast majority of cyclists.
    We all suffer from laziness, incompetence and poor behaviour on the roads now and again regardless of our mode of transport. But 99% of the time it is not an issue..
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1890
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,900 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Takes two to tango.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116382321&postcount=5283

    I have encountered a cyclist dominating the road on an R road. When passing him, I couldn't provide a 1m gap because there was a stone wall to the right and the cyclist was almost cycling down the middle of the road and to the right of the center line of the lane.

    Replace cyclist with car, and you've got dangerous driving there. Why did you think to overtake in an unsuitable location?
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  • #1891
    FinnC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭FinnC


    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    I'm with 07Lapierre here. When I went back cycle commuting in 2006 I spent the first year trying to "educate" motorists nicely when I felt they had put me in danger or done something which I felt was wrong. It turned into an incredibly frustrating experience which led to numerous shouting matches with me feeling stressed and angry afterwards. I doubt if I changed a single bit of driver behaviour. Now I enjoy my cycling, cycle defensively, acknowledge courtesies and rarely if ever have any motorist interactions.

    Yeah agree 100%. I’d very rarely have any issues with motorists either.
    Of course there are bad motorists out there that need to change their behaviour, and plenty of bad cyclists who need to change their behaviour also tbf,but I’m like you I just enjoy myself and not get stressed. If you’re getting stressed while cycling I don’t see the point in doing it.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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