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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • #1832
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    in the car earlier, i had to slam on here - i was facing the direction the camera is, so obviously in the other lane - when a guy driving a truck cab came around that bend in the middle of the road. when i gave him that universal 'what the **** are you up to?' gesture, he gestured angrily at the cyclist he'd been overtaking.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4236522,-6.3247132,3a,75y,76.66h,79.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNp-4p7pwvh_lT_1kXgIhvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    I probably have about 10/15 passes on blind bends or hills with solid white lines every time I cycle the countryside around Limerick on a 40km spin
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  • #1833
    crisco10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Had my own near miss at the weekend just off leopardstown Road (torquay road)

    Was driving toward leopardstown road here and van came around the corner half of his vehicle across the white line...overtaking a cyclist.

    I'd to basically jam on the brakes and dive to the kerb to avoid contact. Was beeping him (something I hate doing), but I think he was oblivious. Caught eyes with the cyclist (a lady out for a fairly leisurely cycle) and raised my hand in a WTF gesture. I hope she knows it wasn't directed at her!

    I just don't get it. The van would be at close to stopped turning up Torquay road, why the need to try and burn the cyclist on a bend, over a solid white line.

    2 things:

    1) Wish I had a dashcam
    2) I'm so glad I wasn't 100m further up the road.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1834
    tnegun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I don't see any issue with his cycling at all, so the driver he reported made a point of intimidating him, videoing him cycling while driving and reporting him and AGS bought it and issued a fine?
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1835
    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Not sure if any of you saw this but Cork Twitter user RightToBikeIt has managed to get a second fine in a matter of days following his filing a complaint. The first involved him moving left slightly to allow a car to overtake him, before returning to his line. He was fined €40 for "swerving".
    Apparently this one today is for his road positioning and swerving.
    Is this to get him to stop reporting them or does anyone see an issue with how he is using the road?

    https://twitter.com/righttobikeit/status/1364258768549277697

    Right we need to get this to a TD a news media and big it up because this is intimidation of another form by the gardai and the car driver. I’d be looking to report also to GSOC as an abuse of power. Maybe there is a cyclist who’s a solicitor who would be willing to do pro bono and get this to court rather than pay the fine.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1836
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,175 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Did the fines come from his own video that he submitted or from the d1ckhead with the mobile phone making a complaint about him?
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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  • #1837
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Company logo fairly visible on the car. Probably his own business though.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1838
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    kennethsmyth wrote: »
    Right we need to get this to a TD a news media and big it up because this is intimidation of another form by the gardai and the car driver. I’d be looking to report also to GSOC as an abuse of power. Maybe there is a cyclist who’s a solicitor who would be willing to do pro bono and get this to court rather than pay the fine.

    If the facts are as related by the cyclist in question, that needs to be reported to GSOC.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1839
    jive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭jive


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Not sure if any of you saw this but Cork Twitter user RightToBikeIt has managed to get a second fine in a matter of days following his filing a complaint. The first involved him moving left slightly to allow a car to overtake him, before returning to his line. He was fined €40 for "swerving".
    Apparently this one today is for his road positioning and swerving.
    Is this to get him to stop reporting them or does anyone see an issue with how he is using the road?

    https://twitter.com/righttobikeit/status/1364258768549277697

    Can’t wait to see how this plays out. If you can be fined for that then we’d all be off the roads by now, I do worse leaving the driveway.

    I think the guard in question underestimated how much support this will get should the fine not be rescinded.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1840
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Weepsie wrote: »
    There's case law on a bike being expected to wobble/swerve isn't there? I'm nearly sure a judge threw out a drivers complaint about a cyclist "being all over the place" because there's a reasonable expectation on them not being able to stick to a perfectly straight line.

    That's a garda making up a rule and applying it on their own bias imo. The driving is a fine and penalty points at a minimum

    I remember being told on an advanced driving course, that "every cyclist is entitled to his wobble, drive accordingly" It always stuck in my head.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1841
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,709 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    It is. I think he's effectively arguing that he moved left to allow a vehicle to pass and not that he ceded right of way.

    And the fine would act as a perverse incentive to NOT move left and allow a vehicle to pass in future.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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  • #1842
    ItsLikeThis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭ItsLikeThis


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Is his first fine for the pinned video? Because he does realise that signalling does not give him right of way. He signalled and moved assuming the driver (which was ****ty) would let him in. It's a petty fine nonetheless

    The van definitely accelerated to get in front of the cyclist. Happens all the time when we indicate to change lane.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1843
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Didn't even realise he was indicating because it's not a factor. Single lane, solid white line, that driver was acting the f*ckhole. Cyclist barely moved over the width of a ruler.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1844
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Imagine you were driving and there was room to merge but just as you start merging the car behind speeds up to cut you up. I think its a petty fine. I don't think he done anything wrong, he doesn't assume right of way, there was space and the van speeds up to block him off. That's dangerous driving and generally just sh1tty behaviour.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1845
    Paul Kiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    Yes, it is ****ty behaviour by the driver but probably not illegal. Technically the cyclist is changing lanes. But he obviously has no other choice! Part of the problem is the road design which forces slower moving traffic to move out into a faster lane. Why aren't the arrows the other way round, so the vehicles have to move safely into the inner lane?
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1846
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Even if the cyclist was to blame for changing lanes suddenly or without warning (he indicated and IMO it was pretty obvious what was going to happen), the driver fails on numerous counts. He speeds up to perform dangerous overtake (dangerous driving), if he failed to see that the inside lane was finishing and that the vehicle ahead of him was indicating and he didn't adjust his speed (driving without due care and attention). Merging in on the cyclist is vehicular assault and so on. I'm really struggling to see, and maybe there is something wrong with my driving, an issue with the cyclist. If a car is ahead of me and indicating to move into my lane, I adjust to allow it as to continue on the presumption I have the right of way is dangerous. Now there are obviously exceptions for certain circumstances but in reality, they are few and far between and this was not one of them.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1847
    Paul Kiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    It's not clear to me that the van speeds up? But even if he does the road in front of him (his lane) is clear. Yes, it's ****ty, discourteous behaviour. To me the cyclist is in a far weaker position than if he was pulling out to pass a parked car. In that case, even if he was on a wide road doing 20km/h with a stream of cars passing him at 50km/h each car passing him is technically overtaking and responsible for doing it safely. In this case the cyclist is changing lanes and the onus is on him to ensure it's safe to do so.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1848
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Paul Kiernan wrote: »
    It's not clear to me that the van speeds up? But even if he does the road in front of him (his lane) is clear. Yes, it's ****ty, discourteous behaviour. To me the cyclist is in a far weaker position than if he was pulling out to pass a parked car. In that case, even if he was on a wide road doing 20km/h with a stream of cars passing him at 50km/h each car passing him is technically overtaking and responsible for doing it safely. In this case the cyclist is changing lanes and the onus is on him to ensure it's safe to do so.

    Looked pretty safe. No car driver would have considered that gap to small for a lane change
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1849
    Paul Kiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    hesker wrote: »
    You would be better off staying in your lane to begin with as I think the guy himself now states.

    He couldn't stay in his lane, it had ended!

    Unfortunately any cyclist in this position is reliant on the goodwill of drivers to let him merge. It's a ****ty situation for the road designers to put him in. And as the guards are probably pissed off with him reporting people they were delighted to fine him.

    I've looked at other videos posted by him and the treatment he's been subjected to by other driver's is horrendous. I don't know whether he's just unlucky or is this typical of the way driver's treat cyclists.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1850
    Paul Kiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    It (and his other videos in particular) also raise the whole question as to how cyclists can interact with fast moving traffic safely.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1851
    a_squirrelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    buffalo wrote: »
    You can gauge it from the relative speeds.

    Do you not agree that he's completed his merge before the van driver starts his overtake?


    You're correct, that should be when the van slowed but he only slowed and moved in on top of the cyclist when faced with an approaching car.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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  • #1852
    a_squirrelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    I think the lesson here is just don't be nice and move in to let someone pas.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1853
    Paul Kiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    buffalo wrote: »
    You can gauge it from the relative speeds.

    Do you not agree that he's completed his merge before the van driver starts his overtake?

    Looking at it again I can certainly see your point. He let the beemer pass and then moved out behind it. 99 times in a 100 the following vehicle, seeing it all playing out, would just slow down and stay back.

    My main argument here is that the road layout should not put the cyclist in this position in the first place!
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1854
    Seaswimmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    Not quite a near miss but a relatively close pass today. Fortunately car was going really slow and I was going slower as its a steep climb.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.2630872,-6.1130723,3a,75y,298.14h,88.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX-BijA_EsUdH9JpWjpKebg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Had a good laugh about it after as it was my uncle and aunt out for a seaside drive within their 5k. They didn't recognise me but I sure recognised their car and their reg..

    Beware of elderly men in Renault Scenics in the Killiney area!!
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1855
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    hesker wrote: »
    That’s a personal choice. You can move over but you need to realise you have changed your situation and merge back safely, conceding priority if necessary.

    He did move back safely. No one except the completely biased would say that wasnt a perfectly normal lane change. Loads of room for a bike or car or whatever to change lane and you would see similar every day without incident
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1856
    tnegun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭tnegun


    It makes a bit more sense now seeing the original video, so do I understand it correctly both times he reported a driver for a dangerous pass and the guard agreed and prosecuted the driver but followed up with a fine for the cyclist for the lane changes! FFS the one with the van he's not far off the speed of the traffic and if you were in a car with the lane ending you would do the exact same and merge into that gap with the second he appears to move around on a poor road surface nothing more.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1857
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    cletus wrote: »
    I don't see myself as being biased in this instance (although maybe that's part of my bias...), and I think you'd be hard pressed to go through my posts on this forum and find any inherent biases towards (or would that be against) cyclists.

    I've already said I wouldn't have merged there on a bike, and from the video footage, probably wouldn't have done it in a car either

    You're be waiting an awful long time on a city road to change lane if that's too short a distance
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1858
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    The location is here if it helps anyone.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8260084,-8.3963311
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1859
    tnegun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭tnegun


    This is why we need the merge like a zip principal to be applied here, it's common sense to allow someone ahead of you to merge if their lane is ending abruptly. We're not talking about someone cutting in ahead on a motorway here but a bike in an urban setting as can be seen with this driver allowances need to be made and enforced by law as common sense doesn't prevail.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • #1860
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    cletus wrote: »
    In my opinion, he merged poorly. He indicated and merged, which, if the driver had responded correctly, would have caused the van to slow down. That's poor merging. You are not entitled to join a lane just because you want to. It's up to you to ensure it is safe to do so.

    Just to be clear, the driver's reaction subsequent to the merge was wrong, and very poor driving, but the initial merge was poor.

    In other words, the cyclist is not blameless in what was all round, a ****ty road interaction



    A lot of posters here can’t accept any criticism of cyclists. I think your correct, no road user has a right to just join another lane of traffic, but every road user should be considerate and allow people to merge, every road user should be extra considerate to the more vulnerable road users.

    As far as I’m concerned the cyclist didn’t make any signal to move, what he did amounted to pointing at the ground when the standard for signalling is far different. His hand movement is easy to understand for fellow cyclists but it’s not the correct signal and it’s a bit rich complaining about other road users when your own behaviour isn’t correct.
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  • #1861
    tnegun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭tnegun


    cletus wrote: »
    It mightn't be a motorway, but it's a regional road with a speed limit of (I assume) 80kph, not exactly urban driving.

    If your lane is ending abruptly, it's up to you to find a safe time and space to merge. If the traffic you merge into has to brake because of your merge. You've done it badly.

    Even if the driver had reacted well, brakes, and allowed the cyclist into the lane, the merge itself was still a poor one


    Its an urban road with a 50 kph limit, he should never of left the lane and this is the reason I loath to do it as you simply can't rely on someone to let you back in before you hit trouble.

    IMO he was traveling at a decent pace when he merged, the van driver in a 50 kph zone should of read the road ahead and expected the bike to move back in (he stayed to the right of that lane to me indicating that I'm not staying here)eased off as opposed to accelerating and allowed him to do so.

    If he was in the lane the traffic would still have had to slow so having to slow because he merged is a mute point. If this was a 60 or 80 zone I might look at it differently but the van driver is overwhelmingly at fault here.
    Post edited by magicbastarder on


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