Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

loyatemu · 24-02-2021 10:53AM

silverharp wrote: »

its only a metro, its ok for small walk in shopping but one would still need to go to a bigger supermarket once a week

why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?

tomasrojo · 24-02-2021 10:59AM

Has anyone brought up the difficulty of carrying a double bass on a bicycle yet?

PaulieC · 24-02-2021 11:02AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yep, no doubt about that, the taxi drivers and white van men of Ringsend etc are hating this news, I've seen it on Facebook. Not just the poshos of Sandymount.

Good to see that it's not just inverse snobbery...plenty of inverse inverse snobbery too

Seaswimmer · 24-02-2021 11:05AM

loyatemu wrote: »

why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?

I presume because there is no right turn on Merrion Road towards Sydney Parade?

PaulieC · 24-02-2021 11:05AM

Somewhat related, if not in location, but there is a campaign to stop the wooden bridge closing to motor traffic. One of the points they are using is that the light sequence for motorists coming off/onto the bridge are too short and are asking for the cycle lane green light phases to be shorter.

PaulieC · 24-02-2021 11:07AM

Seaswimmer wrote: »

I presume because there is no right turn on Merrion Road towards Sydney Parade?

There is a right turn down serpentine, which brings you to Claremont road and into the village. The original complaint was that Sandymounters who go Merrion would have to use the N11 to get home.

duskyjoe · 24-02-2021 11:07AM

loyatemu wrote: »

why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?

No turn right at Sydney Parade from merrion rd .

PaulieC · 24-02-2021 11:08AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

this popped up in my twitter feed this morning (posted by david o'doherty, a keen cyclist so i can only speculate as to his reasoning for doing so:

Every NIMBY’s Speech At a Public Hearing

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/every-nimbys-speech-at-a-public-hearing

NANBYs are the new NIMBYs. I'm Not A Nimby But

magicbastarder · 24-02-2021 11:08AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Has anyone brought up the difficulty of carrying a double bass on a bicycle yet?

a friend has become much more interested in cycling recently (though i think more as a concept than an actual activity so far). she's a cellist and is about 5'1" and has managed so far without a car. though a taxi driver nearly once knocked her out with her own cello while trying to get it into the boot.

Fighting Tao · 24-02-2021 11:10AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

Not sure if serious - you want traffic evaporation, for people to start using alternative means of transport, but move their bus stops further away?

It’d have to study bus connects but it is possible that they will move to Merrion Road with a circular route linking them. I’m saying that not having studied the bus connects plan for the area though. It will probably end up in court too!

silverharp · 24-02-2021 11:11AM

loyatemu wrote: »

why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?

Sydney Parade has always been a no right turn , merrion gates was the only way of getting back from Tesco, Serpentine I guess, but it means going from one end of Sandymount to the far end and doubling back and using Claremont road (for me) which isnt a good road anyway and seems to be one of the roads mentioned as a new rat run

Thelonious Monk · 24-02-2021 11:13AM

PaulieC wrote: »

Somewhat related, if not in location, but there is a campaign to stop the wooden bridge closing to motor traffic. One of the points they are using is that the light sequence for motorists coming off/onto the bridge are too short and are asking for the cycle lane green light phases to be shorter.

Who is campaigning for that? Any time the weather is nice far too many cars go there, the only thing they can do is restrict them at this stage, as it's just going to get worse and worse as the years go on.

Fighting Tao · 24-02-2021 11:13AM

duskyjoe wrote: »

What about the elderly ? This is not all about the young and those that are lazy to walk to a bus - there are others out there unlike us that can’t walk the the km to a bus. You need to keep all age groups in mind or should we just abandon these people for the greater good of cycling and what it promotes ?

No. It is about a few that are determined to drive everywhere up to and including 100m to the local shop. You do realise that many elderly are very capable of cycling too. Many do.

Thelonious Monk · 24-02-2021 11:16AM

The elderly and disabled are just used to score points, I really don't think anyone gives a f*ck about them, they just don't want any restrictions on cars.

tomasrojo · 24-02-2021 11:16AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

a friend has become much more interested in cycling recently (though i think more as a concept than an actual activity so far). she's a cellist and is about 5'1" and has managed so far without a car. though a taxi driver nearly once knocked her out with her own cello while trying to get it into the boot.

As I understand it you can get cello backpacks and trailers. The latter are better for shorter people, I assume.

I usually use a BackAx harness these days when I have to carry a guitar on the bike, but I assume they're a little easier to carry than a cello, let alone a double bass.

loyatemu · 24-02-2021 11:19AM

silverharp wrote: »

Sydney Parade has always been a no right turn , merrion gates was the only way of getting back from Tesco, Serpentine I guess, but it means going from one end of Sandymount to the far end and doubling back and using Claremont road (for me) which isnt a good road anyway and seems to be one of the roads mentioned as a new rat run

still better than schlepping up to the N11.
Some journeys by car becoming slightly longer to accommodate safer and more direct cycling routes is an acceptable trade-off, and the sort of thing that should be happening everywhere. Encourage cycling, discourage driving for short trips.

Fighting Tao · 24-02-2021 11:20AM

silverharp wrote: »

Sydney Parade has always been a no right turn , merrion gates was the only way of getting back from Tesco, Serpentine I guess, but it means going from one end of Sandymount to the far end and doubling back and using Claremont road (for me) which isnt a good road anyway and seems to be one of the roads mentioned as a new rat run

Yes Sydney Parade has no right turn, not that it means much to loads of people. Those who want to be seen to be more correct turn left and then do a u-turn to cross Merrion road.

On the subject of rat runs where people are guessing, unless it is efficient, it will not be used. I can’t remember Claremont off the top of my head, but it may not be used. Traffic calming measures could also be requested by residents to prevent rat runs.

PaulieC · 24-02-2021 11:20AM

tomasrojo wrote: »
As I understand it you can get cello backpacks and trailers. The latter are better for shorter people, I assume.

I usually use a BackAx harness these days when I have to carry a guitar on the bike, but I assume they're a little easier to carry than a cello, let alone a double bass.

Sandymount locals can't carry their cellos on bikes coz the elderly, covid, special needs kids, families and rights.

magicbastarder · 24-02-2021 11:21AM

is there a feasible one way system to adopt on affected roads? i.e. create a few loops, maybe join them up?

Fighting Tao · 24-02-2021 11:23AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

is there a feasible one way system to adopt on affected roads? i.e. create a few loops, maybe join them up?

Computer (a few residents) says no.

ted1 · 24-02-2021 11:28AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Mamma mia.

The bus routes already diverted down Park Avenue were causing chaos today I hear also. Completely unsuitable route for buses.

Teething problems, there’s always going to be issues at the start with any change.

ted1 · 24-02-2021 11:33AM

silverharp wrote: »

its difficult to not see it be a success during the next few months as driving around is so easy at the moment. It will be easier to take a view after the summer, personally Ill be happy so long at there are not lines of traffic back into the village as that would be new.
There is one odd downside of this, The Merrion centre is the main Supermarket for people in Sandymount, there will now be no direct way to get home, you essentially need to drive up to the carriageway and come back by Donnybrook church do a 2k trip would become a 4 or 5k one.

You don’t need to drive 2km. You could get a wheelie trolly like every granny had in the 80s and 90s. Or get it delivered.
Driving a 2km round trip is where the problem is.

Hoppa Lightweight Shopping Trolley Folding 2 Wheel Large Capacity Shopper (Black Flamingos) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07KSCC16W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_TXFHH124WVTF585P46DA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

ted1 · 24-02-2021 11:35AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Buses should not be driving round populated areas as they just cause too many delays. They should all be rerouted onto roads away from densely populated areas

That kind of defeats the purpose.
Perhaps Dublin Bus should relocate to Donegal.

tomasrojo · 24-02-2021 11:42AM

ted1 wrote: »

You don’t need to drive 2km. You could get a wheelie trolly like every granny had in the 80s and 90s. Or get it delivered.
Driving a 2km round trip is where the problem is.

Hoppa Lightweight Shopping Trolley Folding 2 Wheel Large Capacity Shopper (Black Flamingos) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07KSCC16W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_TXFHH124WVTF585P46DA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

My wife has a trolley like that, and I have something really similar but it also attaches to a bike.

Based on comments we get, and this lady on Twitter, the perception that they're for old people who can't drive is very strong, and militates against people who care acutely about how they are perceived using them.

https://twitter.com/HBudnitz/status/1296053968704086016

Seaswimmer · 24-02-2021 11:42AM

PaulieC wrote: »

There is a right turn down serpentine, which brings you to Claremont road and into the village. The original complaint was that Sandymounters who go Merrion would have to use the N11 to get home.

I wonder to soften the blow for Sandymount residents if there could be a temporary right turn from Merrion Road to Sydney Parade. For example, no right turn during peak hours (07.00 - 10.00 and 16:00 to 19:00) but otherwise permit it.

Sorts out access from Vincents, Merrion centre, N11, coming from Blackrock ect.

tomasrojo · 24-02-2021 11:43AM

There are motorised hand trolleys now too. I think they do like pedelecs, and the motor starts up when you push them.

tomasrojo · 24-02-2021 11:48AM

Even here, talking about luxury items, the "granny" framing is to the fore:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2803849/Would-pay-14-000-shopping-trolley-Suddenly-grannys-favourite-ultimate-fashion-have.html

silverharp · 24-02-2021 12:18PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Yes Sydney Parade has no right turn, not that it means much to loads of people. Those who want to be seen to be more correct turn left and then do a u-turn to cross Merrion road.

yeah thats me :pac: , if more people do it, plod will take an interest in it.

Fighting Tao wrote: »

On the subject of rat runs where people are guessing, unless it is efficient, it will not be used. I can’t remember Claremont off the top of my head, but it may not be used. Traffic calming measures could also be requested by residents to prevent rat runs.

it brings you out at the green beside the "Spar" its just one of those bendy roads with cars parked where 2 cars cant pass each other going in opposite directions. It works with low traffic volumes, if you dont turn there you end up on Tritonville road which again only works with low volume

BabysCoffee · 24-02-2021 12:24PM

ted1 wrote: »

You don’t need to drive 2km. You could get a wheelie trolly like every granny had in the 80s and 90s. Or get it delivered.
Driving a 2km round trip is where the problem is.

Hoppa Lightweight Shopping Trolley Folding 2 Wheel Large Capacity Shopper (Black Flamingos) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07KSCC16W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_TXFHH124WVTF585P46DA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Let's start a trend of using shopping trolleys!

In fairness the kooky looking flamingo one you have linked to is quite adorable

magicbastarder · 24-02-2021 12:32PM

funny enough, we were recently treated to a (humorous, and very expletive laden) slagging match between two shop assistants, concerning the recent purchase by one of a 'granny trolley'. she seems to swear by it.

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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