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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • #602
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    So with reference to an earlier post, every bit of concrete torn up by the City Council from this moment on, will likely have to be replaced exactly as it was by the end of the week.

    An injunction to cease works until a determination is made is just that, ceasing works. Its not "put back everything to the way it was" while we decide


  • #603
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,686 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    No, excitement is not what I would call it.

    Disgust at the blatant waste of my taxes and presumably yours in the process would be more accurate.

    Disgusted at the 'waste of taxes' while pushing for the much more expensive solution of building it over the wall?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116158858&postcount=251


  • #604
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    An injunction to cease works until a determination is made is just that, ceasing works. Its not "put back everything to the way it was" while we decide

    Thats up to the Court.

    Given the likely period for the determination and then inevitably carrying out a proper planning process if the City Council decides to proceed (could be up to a year), the Council would be pretty negligent not to restore the mini roundabouts, traffic islands, kerbs etc that they have removed thus far.


  • #605
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Disgusted at the 'waste of taxes' while pushing for the much more expensive solution of building it over the wall?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116158858&postcount=251

    If thats what you choose to see.

    The City Council performing amateur hour is wasteful. Investing in a permanent, sustainable, win-win solution isn't.


  • #606
    Chips Lovell
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    Locked for review


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  • #607
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Reopening. If you can't have a civil conversation about this topic, please refrain from posting.

    It should go without saying, but the following is not on

    a.) Alleging that individuals or groups of individuals may be engaging in wrongdoing.

    b.) Threatening other users with legal action.

    Please don't think that there are clever ways of avoiding sanction, such as going heavy on allusion or dressing your post up as "just asking a question".

    Thanks


  • #608
    Thelonious Monk
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    there's bleedin' killins on Twitter over this, provided some entertainment last night.


  • #609
    Thelonious Monk
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    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/legal-challenge-to-dublins-sandymount-strand-road-cycleway-1085166.html

    Looks like it's going ahead anyway for the time being


  • #610
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yep, ploughing ahead. Looks like it will be fully implemented by next week rather than concrete being poured to restore mini RAB's lol

    2 dates of importance

    The one-way trial will start next week.

    The judicial review will happen sometime in April

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/council-to-press-ahead-with-sandymount-cycleway-despite-legal-challenge-1.4491806?mode=amp
    Dublin City Council said it intends to press ahead with work on the Strand Road cycleway in Sandymount, despite a legal challenge and a submission to An Bord Pleanála to stop it.


  • #611
    daragh_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭daragh_


    The submission also noted that the cyclists in computer generated image of the track “are not wearing a face covering of any description”.

    Bloody imaginary cyclists.


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  • #612
    magicbastarder
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    maybe the council can promise that computer generated cyclists won't be allowed use the real thing.


  • #613
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Also, do not copy/paste entire articles.


  • #614
    Grassey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    daragh_ wrote: »
    The submission also noted that the cyclists in computer generated image of the track “are not wearing a face covering of any description”.

    Bloody imaginary cyclists.

    The only reason that was noticed was because of the mandatory builder jackets


  • #615
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/legal-challenge-to-dublins-sandymount-strand-road-cycleway-1085166.html

    Looks like it's going ahead anyway for the time being

    There'll be an application made on Thursday to stay the works, as the Council will have had their 72 hours notice to appear in Court.

    Its pretty clear what way this is going. The judge has approved grounds for judicial review in April, the Bord Pleanála application for determination has been lodged and a stay on the works is pretty much certain. The City Law Agent will be as aware of that as anyone, so for the City Council to throw good money after bad by continuing work until Thursday is reckless and negligent. In fact I'd expect big pressure on Owen Keegan's position in the aftermath.


  • #616
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    In fact I'd expect big pressure on Owen Keegan's position in the aftermath.

    Is this before or after Brexit stops the trial? Or construction traffic access stops the trial? Or the Green Party splits at the seams and the coalition government falls apart?

    At what point do you admit you haven't the foggiest what's going to happen?


  • #617
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    buffalo wrote: »
    Is this before or after Brexit stops the trial? Or construction traffic access stops the trial? Or the Green Party splits at the seams and the coalition government falls apart?

    At what point do you admit you haven't the foggiest what's going to happen?

    A week ago folks were on here, 'wheres all the court action, wheres all the Bord Pleanála appeals, you're spoofing!'

    Show me how things aren't playing out over this "trial" more or less exactly how I said they would.


  • #618
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    A week ago folks were on here, 'wheres all the court action, wheres all the Bord Pleanála appeals, you're spoofing!'

    Show me how things aren't playing out over this "trial" more or less exactly how I said they would.

    I haven't the time to quote that many posts! :pac:


  • #619
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I haven't been following this that closely, but even I can come up with this one:
    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I'm hearing from sources that the Govt are going to step in and cancel the proposed Dublin City Council cycle lane "trial" on Strand Road, Sandymount.

    The proposal to start the trial in January is in direct conflict with the emergency Dublin Port Traffic Management Plan, published last week to deal with anticipated widespread congestion at the Port and in the wider City area due to Brexit delays to cargo vehicles. That plan requires the R131 Strand Road to be fully open in both directions.


  • #620
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Is Mannix Flynn's writing any good? I mainly know him from being an übergrouch and anti-cycling obsessive but he does have a parallel career in literature.


  • #621
    Thelonious Monk
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    I can't imagine it being very good if he is as narrow minded as he continually proves to be


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  • #622
    Peregrine
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    I'll take some hope from the fact that resident crank, and main objector Peter Carvill, spent ages trying to belittle people who wanted to repeal the 8th when that was on the agenda, and stated many peoples jobs were untenable once it became apparent it was untenable.

    I can only assume, he's a cantankerous nimby who opposes any sort of change.

    I had assumed that Mannix and Carvill were separate to the STC group who raised all the money but the Irish Times are reporting that Carvill is representing STC. So maybe this is the the court case they fundraised for after all.

    I don't know why, I thought they would want a better image than a councillor from another ward known for being a contrarian and someone whose last appearance in the media consisted of a dozen letters belittling a popular movement.


  • #623
    magicbastarder
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    In fact I'd expect big pressure on Owen Keegan's position in the aftermath.
    the man who is - so far - successfully pushing through a whitewater rafting facility in the city centre, is endangering his job with a cycle path?


  • #624
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Is Mannix Flynn's writing any good? I mainly know him from being an übergrouch and anti-cycling obsessive but he does have a parallel career in literature.

    Flynn is a member of Aosdana, which carries with it a stipend of around 11,000 euro per annum. Somebody must think he's some good.


  • #625
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I can't imagine it being very good if he is as narrow minded as he continually proves to be

    Yeah, his career as a councillor appears to be mostly getting in front of cameras and condemning things, and he seems to enjoy fighting with people more than can possibly be useful. He has had a hard life though, and some contrarians put in good work in the arts, so just wondered whether he managed to not be tedious in the other endeavours.


  • #626
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    the man who is - so far - successfully pushing through a whitewater rafting facility in the city centre, is endangering his job with a cycle path?

    No, not in isolation. I would say the biggest pressure on him is over housing delivery. The whitewater thing is an irrelevance.

    In terms of the Covid mobility measures though, the Council really have made a rod for their own back by pushing on bald-headed with Strand Road, because the case now taken affects not just Strand Road, but all of the other temporary cycle and walking measures in Dublin and across the Country. If the Court or the Board finds that there is no statutory basis for them, they may all have to be removed and that would be a pity for the schemes that have improved local areas appropriately and proportionately.


  • #627
    thebaz
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Is Mannix Flynn's writing any good? I mainly know him from being an übergrouch and anti-cycling obsessive but he does have a parallel career in literature.

    Don't know his writing , but he is an excellent actor/speaker


  • #628
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Weepsie wrote: »
    This is from a profile of him published 13 years ago.

    Hectoring and relentless is very much my perception of his activities as a councillor. I've never got the impression he's very well suited to the role, but he does keep getting elected.

    Interesting about the artistic side of him though.


  • #629
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I know someone here drew attention to it a few days ago, but its worth mentioning again. There's this huge reverse snobbery bias on social media and less so here, that the local opposition to the cycleway comes from inconvenienced locals among the leafy avenues of Sandymount.

    But the opposition in Ringsend and Irishtown is just as strong if not stronger. I hear talk of barricades and physical obstruction of the works if the Court does not stay the scheme for the duration of the reviews.

    I'm not saying I agree with interfering with contractors just doing a paid job, especially during Covid restrictions, but the extent of the ill feeling about it should be understood.


  • #630
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yep, no doubt about that, the taxi drivers and white van men of Ringsend etc are hating this news, I've seen it on Facebook. Not just the poshos of Sandymount.


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  • #631
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I hear talk of barricades and physical obstruction of the works if the Court does not stay the scheme for the duration of the reviews.

    Government sources? I remember you're well in there.


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