Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

PowerToWait · 22-02-2021 01:15PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Meanwhile in Ireland we seem to be taking the approach of implementing the same restrictions regardless of infection level. 8000 cases a day? Level 5. 5000 cases a day? Level 5. 2000 cases a day? Level 5. 1000 cases a day? Let me check there - that's level 5 as well.

We're below 1000 cases a day now and we're taking the radical approach of staying in level 5. Oh and we might finally have proper control over people coming in from high risk countries in the next 3 or 4 weeks. Maybe. When that comes in, we might be able to move to level 5.

It's not really 'level 5' restrictions though to be fair. It's very light touch, with huge amounts of people moving all over. Fair enough, can't get a sit down meal or a pint but other than that and the cinemas there's not that much shut. People are constantly posting on here about how they're not letting the 'restrictions' stop them doing what they want so it makes no difference in reality what 'level' we are supposedly at.

Boggles · 22-02-2021 01:16PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

Boggles is somewhat right for a change. I'm living in a new estate that is still being built. The amount of builders has been reduced massively, but they are still working away.

Careful now, anecdotal evidence will be met with derision.

timmyntc · 22-02-2021 01:18PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

It's not really 'level 5' restrictions though to be fair. It's very light touch, with huge amounts of people moving all over. Fair enough, can't get a sit down meal or a pint but other than that and the cinemas there's not that much shut. People are constantly posting on here about how they're not letting the 'restrictions' stop them doing what they want so it makes no difference in reality what 'level' we are supposedly at.

How much tougher can level 5 get short of barricading people in their homes?

The reason you think its a light touch is because people are no longer adhering to the restrictions - they wont adhere to any tougher restrictions either.
Lockdown fatigue is real and it has kicked in a long time ago, again because of the Irish govts unique approach of using Level 5 for all scenarios.

Graham · 22-02-2021 01:18PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Meanwhile in Ireland we seem to be taking the approach of implementing the same restrictions regardless of infection level. 8000 cases a day? Level 5. 5000 cases a day? Level 5. 2000 cases a day? Level 5. 1000 cases a day? Let me check there - that's level 5 as well.

That's what happens when you start with extremely high infection rates.

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 01:18PM

Boggles wrote: »

No, one is an outright falsehood, the other no one said it.

The majority of construction workers are working.

That is a fact.

But I would agree the return of the rest should be expedited as soon as it is deemed safe.

Once again for the slow learners at the back...

Just because you are not claiming PUP it does not mean you are working full time and productively!

Construction firms, large and small, are trying to weather the current restrictions as best they can.

They can use EWSS to help support their PAYE workers up to a certain level.

They can focus on putting their subbies on sites that are allowed continue.

The bottom line is though the industry is substantially closed and to call that an outright lie is just unreal stuff.

Connavar · 22-02-2021 01:18PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Meanwhile in Ireland we seem to be taking the approach of implementing the same restrictions regardless of infection level. 8000 cases a day? Level 5. 5000 cases a day? Level 5. 2000 cases a day? Level 5. 1000 cases a day? Let me check there - that's level 5 as well.

We're below 1000 cases a day now and we're taking the radical approach of staying in level 5. Oh and we might finally have proper control over people coming in from high risk countries in the next 3 or 4 weeks. Maybe. When that comes in, we might be able to move to level 5.

Im not a fan of the current level 5 rules but the above isnt much of an argument.

Level 5 is our highest level restriction.
There is a point where they think it should be applied which we havent gotten below yet (would be nice if they would say/clear up what this point is).

batman_oh · 22-02-2021 01:19PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

It's not really 'level 5' restrictions though to be fair. It's very light touch, with huge amounts of people moving all over. Fair enough, can't get a sit down meal or a pint but other than that and the cinemas there's not that much shut. People are constantly posting on here about how they're not letting the 'restrictions' stop them doing what they want so it makes no difference in reality what 'level' we are supposedly at.

All retail shops that don't sell food or electronic goods are closed. Do they fall under cinemas? I walked around Dublin city centre yesterday and there was essentially nothing open on the whole of Grafton Street. This is normal? Temple Bar was like a ghost town. Must be all those cinema closures!

OicheMhaira · 22-02-2021 01:21PM

I've just walked past a construction site and all is working well - good to see.

Graham · 22-02-2021 01:22PM

batman_oh wrote: »

All retail shops that don't sell food or electronic goods are closed. Do they fall under cinemas? I walked around Dublin city centre yesterday and there was essentially nothing open on the whole of Grafton Street. This is normal? Temple Bar was like a ghost town. Must be all those cinema closures!

Who sad anything about normal?

The fact that non-essential retail and hospitality are closed doesn't take away from the fact "It's very light touch, with huge amounts of people moving all over".

batman_oh · 22-02-2021 01:22PM

Graham wrote: »

Who sad anything about normal?

The fact that non-essential retail and hospitality are closed doesn't take away from the fact "It's very light touch, with huge amounts of people moving all over".

Read the post I was replying to - it might help before you go off on your usual. It said there isn't much closed outside of cinemas and bars/restaurants.
Quoting other stuff isn't relevant, that is the part I was replying to.

Boggles · 22-02-2021 01:23PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Once again for the slow learners at the back...

Just because you are not claiming PUP it does not mean you are working full time and productively!

Construction firms, large and small, are trying to weather the current restrictions as best they can.

They can use EWSS to help support their PAYE workers up to a certain level.

They can focus on putting their subbies on sites that are allowed continue.

The bottom line is though the industry is substantially closed and to call that an outright lie is just unreal stuff.

You know what, I'm going to give you a pass, you are self building during this.

You have the right to rant and rave IMO.

Personally I'd hound him.

timmyntc · 22-02-2021 01:24PM

Graham wrote: »

Who sad anything about normal?

The fact that non-essential retail and hospitality are closed doesn't take away from the fact "It's very light touch, with huge amounts of people moving all over".

If you think current restrictions are a light touch, then what else would you advocate closing to make it a proportional response?

Graham · 22-02-2021 01:24PM

timmyntc wrote: »

If you think current restrictions are a light touch, then what else would you advocate closing to make it a proportional response?

I didn't say the restrictions were a light touch.

I would agree that enforcement is a light touch which is half the problem.

Graham · 22-02-2021 01:25PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Surely the only relevant infection rate is the current one?

For what it's worth I'm not at all opposed to having tighter restrictions if our case numbers starting rising again. But at the moment they're falling and have been for quite some time.

The current one is still too high regardless of how long it's been falling

Boggles · 22-02-2021 01:28PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Surely the only relevant infection rate is the current one?

For what it's worth I'm not at all opposed to having tighter restrictions if our case numbers starting rising again. But at the moment they're falling and have been for quite some time.

Looking around some of the countries that have relaxed in the past couple of weeks, incidence rate seems to be rising.

The problem is if you open up and have to shut down again, that will be an even bigger kick to the populous, not to mention the economic costs.

We just got a stark example of how fast things can get out of control.

timmyntc · 22-02-2021 01:28PM

Graham wrote: »

I didn't say the restrictions were a light touch.

I would agree that enforcement is a light touch which is half the problem.

Well if we could enforce everyone to obey and have 100% compliance then the virus would die out in a months time or thereabouts - we live in the real world though and you can't get much tougher compliance really.

Gardai are already wasting their time enforcing checkpoints and making sure people dont go more than 5km beyond their home. Do you really think there is scope for more enforcement?

Graham · 22-02-2021 01:28PM

batman_oh wrote: »

Read the post I was replying to - it might help before you go off on your usual. It said there isn't much closed outside of cinemas and bars/restaurants.

The main point appears to be adherence to restrictions and enforcement of same.

I'm sure you knew that but just decided to nit-pick because non-essential retail was not specifically mentioned.

timmyntc · 22-02-2021 01:31PM

Graham wrote: »

The main point appears to be adherence to restrictions and enforcement of same.

I'm sure you knew that but just decided to nit-pick because non-essential retail was not specifically mentioned.

PowerToWait wrote:

It's not really 'level 5' restrictions though to be fair. It's very light touch, with huge amounts of people moving all over. Fair enough, can't get a sit down meal or a pint but other than that and the cinemas there's not that much shut. People are constantly posting on here about how they're not letting the 'restrictions' stop them doing what they want so it makes no difference in reality what 'level' we are supposedly at.

hardly nit-picking, poster said there was hardly much shut beyond cinemas and pubs which is blatantly untrue. Reality is there isnt much left to close

batman_oh · 22-02-2021 01:31PM

Graham wrote: »

The main point appears to be adherence to restrictions and enforcement of same.

I'm sure you knew that but just decided to nit-pick because non-essential retail was not specifically mentioned.

You are really a disagreeable person aren't you!
I was replying to the post that said other than cinemas and restaurants being closed nothing is really different.
I made the point that most of Grafton Street is closed.
You are the one nit picking because your first reply was nonsense and now you are trying to pull some sort of moral high ground.
Try reading things better in future.
What I replied to was outright false. It's not nit picking to point that out.

Boggles · 22-02-2021 01:31PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

But it's significantly lower than when we implemented the current restrictions. It's not logical to have the same level of restrictions as we had a month ago when our daily cases were an order of magnitude higher.

There is over 3 times more in ICU then when level 5 kicked in.

It's why public health look at numerous data points to base their decisions on.

Graham · 22-02-2021 01:31PM

timmyntc wrote: »

we live in the real world though and you can't get much tougher compliance really.

Gardai are already wasting their time enforcing checkpoints and making sure people dont go more than 5km beyond their home. Do you really think there is scope for more enforcement?

Enforcement is, and always has been light touch.

Yes, enforcement could be much tougher. The fact so many in this thread delight in telling everyone they're ignoring the restrictions demonstrates that quite clearly.

22-02-2021 01:32PM

There’s a deadly disease out there at the moment. It’s killing so many people. It’s called cancer.

Public colonoscopy waiting lists are scandalous now. CT scans are the same. We also paused cancer screenings for months last year. Breast check only ran at 30% last year.

I had my own health scare this year. Paid 280 for CT scan and 1250 for colonoscopy. Doctors told me I could be waiting years if I didn’t go private.

Disgraceful what we are doing in this country. Only Covid matters

Graham · 22-02-2021 01:32PM

batman_oh wrote: »

You are really a disagreeable person aren't you!

and yet I'm not the one getting personal.

timmyntc · 22-02-2021 01:34PM

Graham wrote: »

Enforcement is, and always has been light touch.

Yes, enforcement could be much tougher. The fact so many in this thread delight in telling everyone they're ignoring the restrictions demonstrates that quite clearly.

Enforcement has been mostly relying on policing by consent, because we dont have the resources to physically enforce the restrictions on everyone - especially when theres arbitrary restrictions like 5km from your home - which wastes so much of gardai time checking addresses etc, and doesnt really do much for virus rates.

So given that we do not have the resources to enforce everything any stricter, how do you propose enforcement could be much tougher?

Corby Trouser Press · 22-02-2021 01:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

You know what, I'm going to give you a pass, you are self building during this.

You have the right to rant and rave IMO.

Personally I'd hound him.

You've done your back of the envelope calculations and deemed construction to be largely open.

Asking why we are the only country in Europe to deem house building a non-essential activity is hardly ranting and raving.

Hellrazer · 22-02-2021 01:37PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Meanwhile in Ireland we seem to be taking the approach of implementing the same restrictions regardless of infection level. 8000 cases a day? Level 4.99999999999999. 5000 cases a day? Level 4.9999999999998. 2000 cases a day? Level 4.9999999999997. 1000 cases a day? Let me check there - that's level 4.9999999999996 as well.

We're below 1000 cases a day now and we're taking the radical approach of staying in level 5. Oh and we might finally have proper control over people coming in from high risk countries in the next 3 or 4 weeks. Maybe. When that comes in, we might be able to move to level 4.9999999999995.

I have to correct your post here. Theyre not all level 5.
They are within the 5 levels of Living with a useless government Covid

batman_oh · 22-02-2021 01:38PM

Graham wrote: »

and yet I'm not the one getting personal.

And I'm not the one reading something that somebody else posted, completely ignoring the point and giving my own opinion and then saying the are nit picking when they don't like when it's pointed out.
But good talk!

robbiezero · 22-02-2021 01:39PM

Graham wrote: »

Enforcement is, and always has been light touch.

Yes, enforcement could be much tougher. The fact so many in this thread delight in telling everyone they're ignoring the restrictions demonstrates that quite clearly.

Enforcement of what exactly?

More Guards on the beaches, hills, parks forests?

paw patrol · 22-02-2021 01:40PM

Boggles wrote: »

Well you'll need to get on to the federation and tell them they are spouting lies so.

why would i bother?

timmyntc · 22-02-2021 01:41PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Enforcement of what exactly?

More Guards on the beaches, hills, parks forests?

Peeking in your windows at dinner to ensure no household mixing going on

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