Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Maurice Byrne · 21-02-2021 10:30PM

From my observations in the last 12 months, most people are using common sense when interpreting government advice. It doesn't matter about what someone "says" here. The majority of Irish people are using their common sense about their lives and doing their best not to spread covid. If our government have shown that they are not leaders ... let the ordinary people show them how it's done.

hynesie08 · 21-02-2021 10:31PM

That British roadmap is clear as mud, it's all "May be allowed by this time if"

There will be no early opening of pubs and restaurants and when it does happen ministers are looking at a phased approach. It is possible that those with outside spaces will be allowed to start serving customers as early as April, however it is likely to take longer before indoor service can return. Even then there are likely to be restrictions imposed such as groups being limited to two households or the rule of six. It will not be until July when most of the population will have been vaccinated that hospitality is allowed to return broadly to normal.

Jaysus I'll mark me calender.....

GooglePlus · 21-02-2021 10:43PM

retro:electro wrote: »

If that was our roadmap I would cry tears of happiness. It’s a clear plan, positive, well outlined and it gives people something to hold on for. Meanwhile, there’s talks here that we may be allowed some fresh air with another household by July. We are not worthy!!

You can thank our limited vaccination capacity.

Mimon · 21-02-2021 10:43PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Similar amount to numbers that die every year

Can you back it up with data. Not from some bat**** crazy conspiracy site either please.

21-02-2021 10:46PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Similar amount to numbers that die every year

+100,000

Happydays2020 · 21-02-2021 10:49PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1363551368842207240?s=19

Some of that plan will go quicker.

Grueller Baby · 21-02-2021 10:52PM

Boris plan in a bit more detail -

https://mobile.twitter.com/thetimes/status/1363551591299694592

ypres5 · 21-02-2021 10:53PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You can thank our limited vaccination capacity.

i don't know why we haven't tried getting some of the Sputnik vaccine even as a backup option. We really can't afford to be picky here

21-02-2021 11:00PM

ypres5 wrote: »

i don't know why we haven't tried getting some of the Sputnik vaccine even as a backup option. We really can't afford to be picky here

Because they have supply issues also. Once the oil rich Arab states and propaganda orders were sorted they don’t have much more. They have barely started on their own people. By the time the Sputnik supply chain ramps up there won’t be a shortage in the vaccines we do have on order.

https://www.ft.com/content/316b77c1-e640-4d53-8dec-547b1b5651d8

Penfailed · 21-02-2021 11:07PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

My heart nearly flipped reading that presuming it was our roadmap until I spotted Boris....f**k!

You'd have to wonder though with the all-Island thing....nightclubs open in the North in August..what's gonna stop half the young population herr heading up on a bus for the night! More luck to them if thats what happens.

That's England's roadmap for opening. The north, Scotland and Wales have all been more cautious than England throughout all this.

CruelSummer · 21-02-2021 11:08PM

https://twitter.com/gabrielscally/status/1363581099394420736?s=21

Gabriel Scally out criticising the plan re extended opening hours or bars and nightclubs post Covid. I’d read the news getting reassurance that someone in cabinet had an idea to plan for life beyond Covid.
I don’t understand why the media give by such airtime here.

ypres5 · 21-02-2021 11:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because they have supply issues also. Once the oil rich Arab states and propaganda orders were sorted they don’t have much more. They have barely started on their own people. By the time the Sputnik supply chain ramps up there won’t be a shortage in the vaccines we do have on order.

https://www.ft.com/content/316b77c1-e640-4d53-8dec-547b1b5651d8

fair enough i wasnt aware the Sputnik vaccine was having those issues i still think there was more that could've been done by the government. surely we could have made an agreement similar to Israel?

retro:electro · 21-02-2021 11:20PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gabrielscally/status/1363581099394420736?s=21

Gabriel Scally out criticising the plan re extended opening hours or bars and nightclubs post Covid. I’d read the news getting reassurance that someone in cabinet had an idea to plan for life beyond Covid.
I don’t understand why the media give by such airtime here.

We’ll be lucky if there’s any left to open

21-02-2021 11:20PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gabrielscally/status/1363581099394420736?s=21

Gabriel Scally out criticising the plan re extended opening hours or bars and nightclubs post Covid. I’d read the news getting reassurance that someone in cabinet had an idea to plan for life beyond Covid.
I don’t understand why the media give by such airtime here.

This story of extended opening hours post Covid being proposed by some in government cannot possibly be true. We are told on this thread that the want to keep us under restriction forever

21-02-2021 11:26PM

ypres5 wrote: »

fair enough i wasnt aware the Sputnik vaccine was having those issues i still think there was more that could've been done by the government. surely we could have made an agreement similar to Israel?

Not really. Well I suppose we could have, and then Portugal, Belgium, Netherlands etc etc would all try the same, and it would be a free for all with doses going to the highest bidder, from what is essentially a finite supply, in which scenario we may have lucked out and ended up closer to the uk, or more likely sitting on our hands waiting for countries with higher buying power to throw us a few crumbs. The number of vaccines available is limited by production capacity which is still ramping. Europe has already received way more than their fair share, proportionally. It just seems really bad compared to the UK and Israel

RGS · 21-02-2021 11:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Sport and outdoor activities to be prioritised in new living with COVID plan
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/lockdown-ireland-governments-new-living-23540708

Not much point in re opening golf and tennis if the 5km limit remains. Most golfers don't live within 5km of their golf club. I reckon in my club of 500 members less than 100 live within 5km.

ingo1984 · 21-02-2021 11:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This story of extended opening hours post Covid being proposed by some in government cannot possibly be true. We are told on this thread that the want to keep us under restriction forever

It's probably just a smoke screen to keep the vintners associations and their members happy. Same week government announce hospitality won't open until mid summer, they announce longer opening hours. Hmm

showpony1 · 21-02-2021 11:58PM

So we are 600 odd cases now in mid-Feb with old people supposedly being Vaccinated daily, what is the reason for saying now that nothing will be allowed open in Summer?

TheDoctor · 22-02-2021 12:00AM

showpony1 wrote: »

So we are 600 odd cases now in mid-Feb with old people supposedly being Vaccinated daily, what is the reason for saying now that nothing will be allowed open in Summer?

Add to that hospitalizations plummeting.

TheDoctor · 22-02-2021 12:02AM

Maurice Byrne wrote: »

I am not allowed to post a link here.
Just search this on youtube :

Stockholm City January 2021 Coronavirus Pandemic in 4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQnR_JHjUU

Tony's head would explode.

Multipass · 22-02-2021 12:04AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Sport and outdoor activities to be prioritised in new living with COVID plan
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/lockdown-ireland-governments-new-living-23540708

Golf and tennis - both of which require membership fees, and I presume it’s only for people living 5km from the golf course. Typical the elite opening the favourite sports of the elite. Whilst stopping the rest of us going for a free walk in the hills. They can stick living with covid.

22-02-2021 12:04AM

showpony1 wrote: »

So we are 600 odd cases now in mid-Feb with old people supposedly being Vaccinated daily, what is the reason for saying now that nothing will be allowed open in Summer?

Who said nothing will be allowed open in summer?

growleaves · 22-02-2021 12:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This story of extended opening hours post Covid being proposed by some in government cannot possibly be true. We are told on this thread that the want to keep us under restriction forever

Let the government break their silence and contradict Sam McConkey then so there won't be any confusion. Why is this frozen-eyed man appearing in every media outlet touting permanent restrictions?

The red herring of 'new variants' is being dangled in people's faces.

Gibberish phrases like "under promise, over deliver" don't cut it anymore. They are promising nothing and breaking people's morale with vague intimations of the future that disappear into mist.

22-02-2021 12:09AM

Multipass wrote: »

Golf and tennis - both of which require membership fees, and I presume it’s only for people living 5km from the golf course. Typical the elite opening the favourite sports of the elite. Whilst stopping the rest of us going for a free walk in the hills. They can stick living with covid.

Golf, tennis and other non-contact outdoor sports and training are all going to be considered as part of the next step in reopening the country.

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johnboy1298 · 22-02-2021 12:09AM

Mimon wrote: »

Can you back it up with data. Not from some bat**** crazy conspiracy site either please.

I don't think exact figures are officially available yet so all I can really see are headlines, going by them the UK finished last year with 600000 deaths from all causes. Approx 75k are considered excess deaths.

75k excess is a large number on its own but really for a country of 69 million its not that huge. For example we had 31000 deaths total in 2019 so 12.5% excess here would be 3700 deaths so an equivalent excess death % would give us 34700 total deaths in 2020. By CSO data we had a 0.6% increase in deaths in 1st qtr 2019 & a 13% increase in deaths in 2nd quarter 2020 so really I would say when the numbers are actually done factually by the CSO we will come out with a figure somewhere around 5-6% increase in deaths with most of these being excess so about 1500. Again there are no official 2020 figures for Ireland so all guesswork.

Unfortunately though the people the virus missed in 2020 are now being caught in early 2021. We without doubt have our biggest spike in excess deaths since new year. Its all about how long the virus continues to spread, eventually death rates from coronavirus would even out if nothing except lockdowns was done, it would just take longer in some countries than others.

The UK might have suffered in 2020 but if they get over this a lot quicker than us that matters. At this stage tbh its all that matters and we might have done better on 2020 excess deaths but our vaccine rollout is nowhere near what the UK are doing and make no mistake that's because of a failure by the EU to use the size of the EU bloc to prioritise us & lockdown vaccine supply.

22-02-2021 12:13AM

johnboy1298 wrote: »

I don't think exact figures are officially available yet so all I can really see are headlines, going by them the UK finished last year with 600000 deaths from all causes. Approx 75k are considered excess deaths.

75k excess is a large number on its own but really for a country of 69 million its not that huge. For example we had 31000 deaths total in 2019 so 12.5% excess here would be 3700 deaths so an equivalent excess death % would give us 34700 total deaths in 2020. By CSO data we had a 0.6% increase in deaths in 1st qtr 2019 & a 13% increase in deaths in 2nd quarter 2020 so really I would say when the numbers are actually done factually by the CSO we will come out with a figure somewhere around 5-6% increase in deaths with most of these being excess so about 1500. Again there are no official 2020 figures for Ireland so all guesswork.

Unfortunately though the people the virus missed in 2020 are now being caught in early 2021. We without doubt have our biggest spike in excess deaths since new year. Its all about how long the virus continues to spread, eventually death rates from coronavirus would even out if nothing except lockdowns was done, it would just take longer in some countries than others.

The UK might have suffered in 2020 but if they get over this a lot quicker than us that matters. At this stage tbh its all that matters and we might have done better on 2020 excess deaths but our vaccine rollout is nowhere near what the UK are doing and make no mistake that's because of a failure by the EU to use the size of the EU bloc to prioritise us & lockdown vaccine supply.

A couple of weeks back the uk surged past 100k excess deaths since Covid began and their current Covid death rate is still higher than ours and not falling any faster than ours

RGS · 22-02-2021 12:15AM

Multipass wrote: »

Golf and tennis - both of which require membership fees, and I presume it’s only for people living 5km from the golf course. Typical the elite opening the favourite sports of the elite. Whilst stopping the rest of us going for a free walk in the hills. They can stick living with covid.

Golf is not the elite sport you suggest. My club has taxi drivers, public servants, office workers and business owners.
My understanding of the mirror leak is outdoor activities are under serious consideration for re opening as a sop for Martin's shi&e interview with the mirror.

gmisk · 22-02-2021 12:16AM

ypres5 wrote: »

fair enough i wasnt aware the Sputnik vaccine was having those issues i still think there was more that could've been done by the government. surely we could have made an agreement similar to Israel?

Your kind of also overlooking a big point....it hasn't been approved by the EMA...
If Ireland went off buying a vaccine on the side and it did turn out to not be safe or to be ineffective can you imagine the reaction in Ireland?!

showpony1 · 22-02-2021 12:19AM

679 cases in Ireland, and one death.
what am i supposed to think about that? pretend i care about that one death?
outrageous millions living this life cause of these numbers, hopefully there is a huge backlash soon.

Multipass · 22-02-2021 12:21AM

RGS wrote: »

Golf is not the elite sport you suggest. My club has taxi drivers, public servants, office workers and business owners.
My understanding of the mirror leak is outdoor activities are under serious consideration for re opening as a sop for Martin's shi&e interview with the mirror.

As long as they ditch the 5km ****e, they can open synchronised swimming for all I care. But Leo is on record saying that golf is a priority. Why?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings