Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

Burkie1203 · 21-02-2021 06:16PM

connachta wrote: »

Some can say what they want : the 2 Papali'i red cards, 2nd one especially, are nothing compared to What Bristol 12 did. And he was just binned with a yellow. There's nothing "clear all day" as I read sometimes in the interpretation of the rule.

Referees get it wrong sometimes like maybe today? Haven't seen the incident but know a tip tackle was contentious and only YC given

Harry Byrne was tipped upside down v scarlets and it wasn't even reviewed by the ref IIRC.

Papaili red cards were 100% correct.

connachta · 21-02-2021 06:39PM

100% worse . 100%

Squidgy Black · 21-02-2021 07:42PM

Another Burkie and connachta debate. Yay.....

Anyways, Wootton has to be primed for a permanent deal now, looked like a man playing for a contract.

connachta · 21-02-2021 08:06PM

For this season, he's playing for a contract
Next season, if he learns how to tackle, he'll play for a place in RWC

realhorrorshow · 21-02-2021 08:20PM

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Another Burkie and connachta debate. Yay.....

Anyways, Wootton has to be primed for a permanent deal now, looked like a man playing for a contract.

Playing for an extra zero maybe, no chance he's not getting an offer.

Burkie1203 · 21-02-2021 11:04PM

connachta wrote: »

For this season, he's playing for a contract
Next season, if he learns how to tackle, he'll play for a place in RWC

He is 28 in a few months. He will be 32 by the time he is irish eligible. 34 by time 2027 rocks around.

Squidgy Black · 21-02-2021 11:21PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

He is 28 in a few months. He will be 32 by the time he is irish eligible. 34 by time 2027 rocks around.

He's IQ anyways, his da is from Down. And he's 26.

KBurke85 · 21-02-2021 11:22PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

He is 28 in a few months. He will be 32 by the time he is irish eligible. 34 by time 2027 rocks around.

Pretty sure he’s talking about Wooton and not papa

connachta · 22-02-2021 10:41AM

KBurke85 wrote: »

Pretty sure he’s talking about Wooton and not papa

Yes:)

Burkie1203 · 22-02-2021 10:46AM

connachta wrote: »

Yes:)

I Apologise

connachta · 22-02-2021 11:04AM

29 and 2 months for RWC 2023, 33 and 2 months for RWC 2027

But first, learn to tackle...

Bazzo · 22-02-2021 12:31PM

Just got to watch the match now, thought it was a middling performance producing a bonus point win against one of the tightest defences in the league (I think?) So can't complain about that.

A few immediate post match thoughts:

Duggan did really well for his starting debut, a good find there.

Heffernan and Aki both grew into the game which is to be expected given their lack of minutes. Not sure if Heffernan's throwing was an issue but thought it looked a bit better with Delahunt on, but he carried very well. And the scrum went quite well.

Boyle put in another tidy performance. Looked a bit more calm and settled.

Blade was good again. Good tempo, mostly makes good decisions and passing fairly accurate.

Carty made a couple of mistakes but was again a key player in that win. Cardiff covered his back field kicking well but when Connacht were stuttering in the opening 20 he played smart and then when the attack warmed up and started motoring he showed his attacking flare and created opportunities. I don't think you can label him inconsistent for a kick dead and a missed penalty unless you also want to label Sexton, Burns and basically every outhalf playing the game inconsistent. I'd say it was a solid 7/10 performance again. Also got a glimpse of the up and under bombs that Friend mentioned they're trying to add to his arsenal.

Aki didn't have many tackle busting huge moments but he was instrumental in the win. Brilliant defensive performance, some good distribution and a few hard carries. Daly was solid, a couple of decent defensive reads along with himself and Healy making a balls of nailing Morgan after the kick chase.

Back 3 were all very good. Wootton put in a world beating 30 mins that won the game. Porch is a safe pair of hands that can spark at any moment from full back. Healy(despite the aforementioned bad missed tackle) had some big defensive reads which is a pleasant surprise. They should be showing Lowe that footage of how to defend a 2 on 1 overlap on the wing :pac:

Cardiff will feel aggrieved with some of the reffing calls in the leadup to a couple of tries but I don't think it cost them the game.

Mentally I think that will be a big win for the team. I'll leave it there to keep it brief

22-02-2021 12:45PM

Bazzo wrote: »

Just got to watch the match now, thought it was a middling performance producing a bonus point win against one of the tightest defences in the league (I think?) So can't complain about that.

A few immediate post match thoughts:

Duggan did really well for his starting debut, a good find there.

Heffernan and Aki both grew into the game which is to be expected given their lack of minutes. Not sure if Heffernan's throwing was an issue but thought it looked a bit better with Delahunt on, but he carried very well. And the scrum went quite well.

Boyle put in another tidy performance. Looked a bit more calm and settled.

Blade was good again. Good tempo, mostly makes good decisions and passing fairly accurate.

Carty made a couple of mistakes but was again a key player in that win. Cardiff covered his back field kicking well but when Connacht were stuttering in the opening 20 he played smart and then when the attack warmed up and started motoring he showed his attacking flare and created opportunities. I don't think you can label him inconsistent for a kick dead and a missed penalty unless you also want to label Sexton, Burns and basically every outhalf playing the game inconsistent. I'd say it was a solid 7/10 performance again. Also got a glimpse of the up and under bombs that Friend mentioned they're trying to add to his arsenal.

Aki didn't have many tackle busting huge moments but he was instrumental in the win. Brilliant defensive performance, some good distribution and a few hard carries. Daly was solid, a couple of decent defensive reads along with himself and Healy making a balls of nailing Morgan after the kick chase.

Back 3 were all very good. Wootton put in a world beating 30 mins that won the game. Porch is a safe pair of hands that can spark at any moment from full back. Healy(despite the aforementioned bad missed tackle) had some big defensive reads which is a pleasant surprise. They should be showing Lowe that footage of how to defend a 2 on 1 overlap on the wing :pac:

Cardiff will feel aggrieved with some of the reffing calls in the leadup to a couple of tries but I don't think it cost them the game.

Mentally I think that will be a big win for the team. I'll leave it there to keep it brief

Just on this so can we, I put 17 of Cardiffs 20 coming from bad reffing calls
The Forward pass that was after what should have been a scrum pen to us
Heff getting pulled on top of a ruck he wasn't going to compete in
And Bundee of his feet + Boyle not rolling away

Like these things happen and balanced themselves out across the game

Bazzo · 22-02-2021 12:49PM

connemara man wrote: »

Just on this so can we, I put 17 of Cardiffs 20 coming from bad reffing calls
The Forward pass that was after what should have been a scrum pen to us
Heff getting pulled on top of a ruck he wasn't going to compete in
And Bundee of his feet + Boyle not rolling away

Like these things happen and balanced themselves out across the game

I 100% agree, but we do enough bitching in here if it's the other way round that I thought it was worth mentioning it.

22-02-2021 12:54PM

Bazzo wrote: »

I 100% agree, but we do enough bitching in here if it's the other way round that I thought it was worth mentioning it.

TBH I'm just glad we kept control in the past you'd feel like the game could go away from us and we'd lose the heads. But that never happened we always looked secure in the plan and confident in what we were doing.
If our line out functioned better which was a mix of good reads by Cardiff our lack of misdirection didn't help there and Heff was floating in a few balls not bulleting them in Cardiff wouldn't have been in the game half as much as they were

Zzippy · 22-02-2021 01:05PM

The lineout for our third try was dodgy as f*ck. Either it wasn't straight or Dillane jumped so far across that he had to reach back to his own side to catch it. I think if Cardiff had contested it the ref would have given it nor straight or a pen for jumping across. But like CM pointed out, most of their scores were from awful decisions. In fact, without the ref they would have been lucky to cross the line at all.

realhorrorshow · 22-02-2021 01:09PM

While I think it roughly evened itself out, I thought the officiating at the weekend was dreadful and took away from the game, and I am not someone who has a problem with Brace generally. Two calls I haven't seen mentioned but that really annoyed me were when Lloyd Williams returned the ball to the ruck with his foot to set up a box kick, and when Ellis Jenkins stripped Boyle then caught the ball while lying on the ground. Two blatant penalties that there is no excuse for not calling. The one against Boyle was bizarre, seemed like he blew for a penalty, then quickly realised he was wrong and had to justify his decision.

On the flip side, we got very lucky with the penalty for maul collapse in the lead up to the third try, seemed like Aungier slipped and brought it down. We also got away with throwing out jumper across the lineout at times, which is something we do a lot now that I think of it.

22-02-2021 01:14PM

Zzippy wrote: »

The lineout for our third try was dodgy as f*ck. Either it wasn't straight or Dillane jumped so far across that he had to reach back to his own side to catch it. I think if Cardiff had contested it the ref would have given it nor straight or a pen for jumping across. But like CM pointed out, most of their scores were from awful decisions. In fact, without the ref they would have been lucky to cross the line at all.

The ball is straight Masterson turns mid air so it looks worse than it is.
If one wanted to get into stuff like that look at the maul for the Cardiff first try the lifters step across the gap with payer still in the air but we didn't contest. Swings and roundabouts

there's a lot of outcome based reffing happening to try and keep a game flowing as otherwise the ref would be blowing every 2 seconds they contest its a pen they don't contest there's no material impact in the lineout

Lost Ormond · 22-02-2021 01:21PM

Zzippy wrote: »

The lineout for our third try was dodgy as f*ck. Either it wasn't straight or Dillane jumped so far across that he had to reach back to his own side to catch it. I think if Cardiff had contested it the ref would have given it nor straight or a pen for jumping across. But like CM pointed out, most of their scores were from awful decisions. In fact, without the ref they would have been lucky to cross the line at all.

The lineout wasnt dodgy. There was no affect on the contest for possession. If Cardiff had jumped and contested you would penalise it but dont see why you should call it

realhorrorshow wrote: »

While I think it roughly evened itself out, I thought the officiating at the weekend was dreadful and took away from the game, and I am not someone who has a problem with Brace generally. Two calls I haven't seen mentioned but that really annoyed me were when Lloyd Williams returned the ball to the ruck with his foot to set up a box kick, and when Ellis Jenkins stripped Boyle then caught the ball while lying on the ground. Two blatant penalties that there is no excuse for not calling. The one against Boyle was bizarre, seemed like he blew for a penalty, then quickly realised he was wrong and had to justify his decision.

On the flip side, we got very lucky with the penalty for maul collapse in the lead up to the third try, seemed like Aungier slipped and brought it down. We also got away with throwing out jumper across the lineout at times, which is something we do a lot now that I think of it.

Missed few things but they always do. Problem with blowing whistle is youve made your decision. you cant change your mind after so you have to justify it...

Must love hardship · 22-02-2021 01:25PM

Zzippy wrote: »

The lineout for our third try was dodgy as f*ck. Either it wasn't straight or Dillane jumped so far across that he had to reach back to his own side to catch it. I think if Cardiff had contested it the ref would have given it nor straight or a pen for jumping across. But like CM pointed out, most of their scores were from awful decisions. In fact, without the ref they would have been lucky to cross the line at all.

Could a spray of foam from a can in each hand of the lines person sort this issue out at the line out?
Similar to a freekick in soccer.

It could help maintain the gap. Also ensure the ball is thrown down the middle of the line out. I know it might slightly slow the game but its not for quick outs.. it would only take a couple of seconds to walk out and spray 2 lines and back to the side line again.

Any opinion?

Number 137 · 22-02-2021 01:26PM

Just on jumping across the lineout, that in itself is not illegal. What is illegal is if you make contact with another player in the air, or if you land in an offside position and then have a material effect on play. Jumping across the lineout itself is fine.

Must love hardship · 22-02-2021 01:39PM

I know I was just making a suggestion in relation to crooked lineouts and players not maintaining the gap and encroaching.

It would basically give the hooker a tunnel to throw the ball down and make it easier to identify crooked lineouts.

It might not a perfect idea but maybe jumpers have to jump from outside the line..

There is meant to be gap between the players its just a way of clearly identifying it.

22-02-2021 01:42PM

Also Cardiff were at sillybuggers with the gap all game so when it went against them I'm Ok with it

22-02-2021 01:51PM

Bazzo wrote: »

I don't think you can label him inconsistent for a kick dead and a missed penalty unless you also want to label Sexton, Burns and basically every outhalf playing the game inconsistent.

Hes not really inconsistent, his general play is perfectly fine but he has a tendency to make at least one, if not more cardinal errors from the boot.

In this game he kicked a restart dead and then missed touch with an easy penalty near the end when he completely scuffed it.

You can get away with those errors in the club game but if you're talking about Grand Slams and competiting at WCs against the NZs, you can't have a few of those errors per game.

I dont think theres much talk about Jack as our starting 10, or his ability to start at 10 for another top club.. but those errors just make him another contender for Ireland along with the rest of the pretenders to the throne.

The kick that Burns missed, is a similar kind of error that Carty is prone to make.
Having said that, I'd have had him ahead of Burns before that game anyway.

realhorrorshow · 22-02-2021 01:51PM

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Number 137 wrote: »

Just on jumping across the lineout, that in itself is not illegal. What is illegal is if you make contact with another player in the air, or if you land in an offside position and then have a material effect on play. Jumping across the lineout itself is fine.

Huh, TIL, cheers. Also learned that I've technically been offside all these years when I've been defending the channel after a maul has been formed.

Zzippy · 22-02-2021 01:54PM

connemara man wrote: »

The ball is straight Masterson turns mid air so it looks worse than it is.
If one wanted to get into stuff like that look at the maul for the Cardiff first try the lifters step across the gap with payer still in the air but we didn't contest. Swings and roundabouts

there's a lot of outcome based reffing happening to try and keep a game flowing as otherwise the ref would be blowing every 2 seconds they contest its a pen they don't contest there's no material impact in the lineout

Absoluitely, I had seen some whinging from Cardiff fans on Twitter specifically referencing that try, and IMO the l/o was dodgy, but it was immaterial as Cardiff didn't contest and waited to attack the maul.

Lost Ormond wrote: »

The lineout wasnt dodgy. There was no affect on the contest for possession. If Cardiff had jumped and contested you would penalise it but dont see why you should call it

You've just said the lineout wasn't dodgy but if Cardiff had contested it you would penalise it. Something can be dodgy but still immaterial. We got away with it because Cardiff didn't jump, and therefore it was immaterial. A lot of refs would penalise it though.

Lost Ormond · 22-02-2021 01:58PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Absoluitely, I had seen some whinging from Cardiff fans on Twitter specifically referencing that try, and IMO the l/o was dodgy, but it was immaterial as Cardiff didn't contest and waited to attack the maul.

You've just said the lineout wasn't dodgy but if Cardiff had contested it you would penalise it. Something can be dodgy but still immaterial. We got away with it because Cardiff didn't jump, and therefore it was immaterial. A lot of refs would penalise it though.

A lot wouldnt if the opposition didnt contest. A lineout throw thats crooked is immaterial if the opposition have very little chance of winning the ball because theyve stayed on the ground. It wasnt dodgy at all.

There would be loads of whinging from many of those Cardiff fans regardless of wat happened.

ShineyShiney · 22-02-2021 02:26PM

Great result, 5pts just what was needed.

On another night our failure to score when on top in the opening period of the second half would come back to hurt us. Those reffing decisions went our way, we all know that wheather they are the right calls or not they often go against us.

Great to see Papali score, been a tough year on him. A repeat next week in Italy would be nice.

connachta · 22-02-2021 02:38PM

ShineyShiney wrote: »

Great result, 5pts just what was needed.

On another night our failure to score when on top in the opening period of the second half would come back to hurt us. Those reffing decisions went our way, we all know that wheather they are the right calls or not they often go against us.

Great to see Papali score, been a tough year on him. A repeat next week in Italy would be nice.

SOB and Big Papa should start next week to add ball-carrying abilities vs Italians

FACECUTTR · 22-02-2021 03:12PM

connachta wrote: »

SOB and Big Papa should start next week to add ball-carrying abilities vs Italians

SOB 6, Boyle 7 and Papalii 8 would be fairly abrasive as a back row. More than likely be Butler at 7 though and Papalii @20.

Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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