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Your favourite unsolved mystery?

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    #3542
    yabadabado
    Registered Users Posts: 16,522 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    not quite the full story is it? Candy had an affair with Bettys husband. Betty confronted her about it and apparently attacked Candy with the same axe used to kill Betty.

    Exactly,it was a little bit more complicated than getting shushed .


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    #3543
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,600 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Area 51. Does it really exist, Is there really aliens there? I want to know.

    MH370 What really happened to it and all the people on it?

    Emile Aerheart. What happened to her. Was she abducted by aliens because we have some of theres in Area 51 and was she a part of the 37s on that planet in the Delta Quadrant?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #3544
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,443 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The death of Dorothy kilgallen seems to have a bit of mystery around it. For those not familiar with who she was, she was a panellist on what’s my line in the US for years(a very funny show actually that’s on YouTube) She had written about the Kennedy assassination which some think is linked to her death and not the official cause of death.


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    #3545
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    AMKC wrote: »
    Area 51. Does it really exist, Is there really aliens there? I want to know.

    MH370 What really happened to it and all the people on it?

    Emile Aerheart. What happened to her. Was she abducted by aliens because we have some of theres in Area 51 and was she a part of the 37s on that planet in the Delta Quadrant?

    yes its exists 100% and so does S4 where Bob Lazar said he worked, you can even see it on google maps


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    #3546
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    AMKC wrote: »
    Area 51. Does it really exist,

    Yes it really exists.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Area+51,+NV,+USA/@37.2420269,-115.8158473,9704m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80b81baaba3e8c81:0x970427e38e6237ae!8m2!3d37.2430548!4d-115.7930198?hl=en
    Is there really aliens there? I want to know.

    No, there isn't.


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    #3547
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Yes it really exists.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Area+51,+NV,+USA/@37.2420269,-115.8158473,9704m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80b81baaba3e8c81:0x970427e38e6237ae!8m2!3d37.2430548!4d-115.7930198?hl=en



    No, there isn't.

    how do you know this exactly?


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    #3548
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    bangkok wrote: »
    how do you know this exactly?

    Because no one has offered proof. Aside from the usual history channelesque claims where people make a claim and the burden of proof is on someone else to disprove it.


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    #3549
    Nokia6230i
    Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Nokia6230i


    The Charles Self case was previously mentioned in here (can't remember specific posts/pages apologies).

    It features on Dublin Live today > https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/close-pal-dublin-man-killed-19787613?fbclid=IwAR3S51RZBvpDUblYDUQxpv2dczeS26IPTa-wNMgmo5jqCXmTPo8x9AAL6Xg


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    #3550
    [Deleted User]
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    Nokia6230i wrote: »
    The Charles Self case was previously mentioned in here (can't remember specific posts/pages apologies).

    It features on Dublin Live today > https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/close-pal-dublin-man-killed-19787613?fbclid=IwAR3S51RZBvpDUblYDUQxpv2dczeS26IPTa-wNMgmo5jqCXmTPo8x9AAL6Xg

    I think I might have posted that somewhere on here...bizzare case and never hear much about it

    Iirc the mans who hired him to rte went missing in the 90s


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    #3551
    Steve012
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    My new Fav mystery at the moment is Covid19


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    #3552
    BorneTobyWilde
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    not quite the full story is it? Candy had an affair with Bettys husband. Betty confronted her about it and apparently attacked Candy with the same axe used to kill Betty.


    Attacked Candy with axe,,,, but not a scratch on her?


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    #3553
    Lola40
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Lola40


    Trevor Deely’s disappearance. He was just a year older than me and I remember his posters everywhere around town so well. I wish to God that someone would come forward with information so the family can move on. Also fascinated by the murder of Sophie Toscan De Plantier, don’t think Bailey is the killer


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    #3554
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,165 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Attacked Candy with axe,,,, but not a scratch on her?

    She had a deep cut on her toe that others had seen on the day of the murder.


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    #3555
    Dohnjoe
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    Steve012 wrote: »
    My new Fav mystery at the moment is Covid19

    What's the mystery?


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    #3556
    BorneTobyWilde
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    She had a deep cut on her toe that others had seen on the day of the murder.


    Lol, That's what happens when you swing and axe and miss, you hit your own foot.


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    #3557
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,165 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Lol, That's what happens when you swing and axe and miss, you hit your own foot.

    JFC, Candy had the cut on her toe. read the story yourself. https://soapboxie.com/government/Betty-Gore-Candy-Montgomery


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    #3558
    JeffreyEpspeen
    Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Lola40 wrote: »
    Trevor Deely’s disappearance. He was just a year older than me and I remember his posters everywhere around town so well. I wish to God that someone would come forward with information so the family can move on. Also fascinated by the murder of Sophie Toscan De Plantier, don’t think Bailey is the killer


    It was a guard, wasn't it?


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    #3559
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,443 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I supposed this is an unsolved mystery in a couple of ways, and it’s how the hell was OJ found not guilty in 1995 of the murder of his wife and her friend. During the initial lockdown last year I started reading the trial transcripts and watched the trial(which most of it is on YouTube) as it was broadcast and of course the defence proved beyond reasonable doubt he did it.


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    #3560
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I supposed this is an unsolved mystery in a couple of ways, and it’s how the hell was OJ found not guilty in 1995 of the murder of his wife and her friend. During the initial lockdown last year I started reading the trial transcripts and watched the trial(which most of it is on YouTube) as it was broadcast and of course the defence proved beyond reasonable doubt he did it.

    Well, no they didn’t. If the prosecution had done that, he would have been convicted. Jury members said that they did not believe that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. The defense succeeded in planting enough doubt in their mind. That’s why he was acquitted.

    I personally think the defense team completely lacked honour and dignity with some of the stunts they pulled. But, it worked. They did their job.


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    #3561
    topmanamillion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Well, no they didn’t. If the prosecution had done that, he would have been convicted. Jury members said that they did not believe that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. The defense succeeded in planting enough doubt in their mind. That’s why he was acquitted.

    I personally think the defense team completely lacked honour and dignity with some of the stunts they pulled. But, it worked. They did their job.

    The prosecution made an absolute bags of what was a clear cut case.

    They let Cochran dictate the narrative instead of sticking to evidence. The whole thing was best summed up with the glove episode. Cochran managed to swing the jury with a simple rhyme and OJ not trying very hard to get his hand into a glove.

    The prosecution had to convince a jury which was unfamiliar with the reliability of DNA profiling about its precision and reliability. They failed.
    Instead, they let Cochran plant doubt with Trumpesque theories on police tampering and lost samples of "the real killer" even when 2 of the defences own DNA experts refused to go along with it.
    The narrative should have been about DNA with a line of experts hammering that home in excruciating detail. They needed to take the celebrity and mystique out of OJ and make the jury see him as a sociopath who killed his ex-wife, who he beat during their marriage, and her boyfriend out of spite and jealousy.
    Instead they made him an even bigger celebrity and the whole case became about a pair of gloves and police racism.

    Tldr; the whole thing was a circus from start to finish and the prosecution were just as culpable in that as Cochran and the rest of the defence.


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    #3562
    faceman
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    For fans of the Dyatlov mystery. Science has had some breakthroughs. Less mysterious as a result.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/has-science-solved-history-greatest-adventure-mystery-dyatlov


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    #3563
    punchdrunk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    auspicious wrote: »
    Why a mystery is classified as unsolved.

    Well mysteries are a social phenomenon, solved mysteries are a historical event that was valid as being unexplained at the time, so it’s not such a mystery that a mystery could be classed as solved when viewed through the lens of history!


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    #3564
    Hangdogroad
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Well, no they didn’t. If the prosecution had done that, he would have been convicted. Jury members said that they did not believe that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. The defense succeeded in planting enough doubt in their mind. That’s why he was acquitted.

    I personally think the defense team completely lacked honour and dignity with some of the stunts they pulled. But, it worked. They did their job.

    At least one or maybe more black jurors admitted later that they thought he was probably guilty but the the verdict was seen as payback for the acquittal of the cops in the Rodney King beating.


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    #3565
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    topmanamillion wrote: »
    The prosecution made an absolute bags of what was a clear cut case.

    They let Cochran dictate the narrative instead of sticking to evidence. The whole thing was best summed up with the glove episode. Cochran managed to swing the jury with a simple rhyme and OJ not trying very hard to get his hand into a glove.

    The prosecution had to convince a jury which was unfamiliar with the reliability of DNA profiling about its precision and reliability. They failed.
    Instead, they let Cochran plant doubt with Trumpesque theories on police tampering and lost samples of "the real killer" even when 2 of the defences own DNA experts refused to go along with it.
    The narrative should have been about DNA with a line of experts hammering that home in excruciating detail. They needed to take the celebrity and mystique out of OJ and make the jury see him as a sociopath who killed his ex-wife, who he beat during their marriage, and her boyfriend out of spite and jealousy.
    Instead they made him an even bigger celebrity and the whole case became about a pair of gloves and police racism.

    Tldr; the whole thing was a circus from start to finish and the prosecution were just as culpable in that as Cochran and the rest of the defence.

    I totally agree. It became a circus. This was a case with a huge amount of physical evidence and the prosecution still fucked it up. And the prosecution was buggered the moment it came to light that one of the cops on the scene was racist. It had the square root of fuck all to do with the OJ case but the defense zeroed in on it. They knew it was invaluable to them.

    And, even though I like her, IMO Marcia Clark could at times be a bit patronising towards the black female jurors. In ‘OJ: Made In America’ she spoke about how she thought she knew how to talk to them. Like as if they were a different species or something, like she was the Black Woman Whisperer or something. I think some of the jurors would have picked up on that.

    And then there’s not much you can do with a juror who, twenty years on, still comes out with stuff like “I lose respect for any woman who'd take an ass whooping when she don't have to.” My jaw dropped when that juror said that in the documentary. What a cunt.

    One small point though - Ron Goldman wasn’t Nicole’s boyfriend. There’s no indication that they were dating even casually.


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    #3566
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Hangdogroad wrote: »
    At least one or maybe more black jurors admitted later that they thought he was probably guilty but the the verdict was seen as payback for the acquittal of the cops in the Rodney King beating.

    But even there, they are expressing doubt.


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    #3567
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,165 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hangdogroad wrote: »
    At least one or maybe more black jurors admitted later that they thought he was probably guilty but the the verdict was seen as payback for the acquittal of the cops in the Rodney King beating.

    you don't convict somebody of murder because you think they are probably guilty.


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    #3568
    nc6000
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    JeffreyEpspeen wrote: »
    It was a guard, wasn't it?

    Was it? :eek:


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    #3569
    topmanamillion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you don't convict somebody of murder because you think they are probably guilty.

    The three assumptions the prosecution made about the jury were:
    1. They would listen during the testimony
    2. They would understand the testimony
    3. They would consider the testimony in rendering their verdict.

    None of these happened.

    Instead the jury were driven by preconceived notions and heavily influenced by the media circus going on. There was also the fact they probably fancied themselves as celebrities for being on the jury of the "trial of the century".


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    #3570
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    topmanamillion wrote: »
    The three assumptions the prosecution made about the jury were:
    1. They would listen during the testimony
    2. They would understand the testimony
    3. They would consider the testimony in rendering their verdict.

    None of these happened.

    Instead the jury were driven by preconceived notions and heavily influenced by the media circus going on. There was also the fact they probably fancied themselves as celebrities for being on the jury of the "trial of the century".

    But in their defence, they also just wanted to get home. How long was that trial? Seven months? Some of the jurors described for the documentary their living conditions during the trial. Months and months stuck in a hotel room. They weren’t allowed to contact their loved ones. They had no televisions in their rooms. They were thoroughly fed up by the time deliberations arrived.


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    #3571
    beerguts
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    I would really love if Genghis Khan's tomb could be found. I have some suspicions that descendents of his still maintain the location of his resting place. The reason for this is shamanism is still practised in parts of Mongolia and he would be revered as part of this. That is my theory anyways.


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