Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 02:41AM

Cosmos7 wrote: »

Withdraw and apologise for any suggestion that the ducks in a row lads have any influence over our judiciary

As in suggest that lawyers don't influence judges?

Go to bed.

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 02:43AM

ted1 wrote: »

Do you not understand, there is no more normal.

The world has changed. Working from home is here to stay.

You can't say that it will. I can't say that it won't.

But, until such time as the Oireachtas changes the planning laws, nothing has changed about how public works projects get approved.

Cosmos7 · 21-02-2021 03:52AM

I understand that cycling and walking isnt for everyone but I do struggle to understand why people as intelligent and informed as you obviously are so hostile to initiatives which might make cycling and walking a bit more easy. Especially when objections to such initiatives seem to be based on on the impacts of car driving.

MojoMaker · 21-02-2021 12:29PM

Especially when you don't live in the area, have no connection to it, and aren't impacted by it one way or the other.

Larbre, yourself as an cyclist and a frequent recent poster in the cycling forum, I can't fathom these views on this or any other aspect of pro-cycling initiatives around the city. It's almost as if you're against this cycle lane for reasons you're not disclosing. Nobody is swallowing the "keeping DCC in line" nonsense, so in the interest of full disclosure, why are you so anti-traffic reduction and cycling promotion? And why, if challenging the councils of Dublin is your bag, do you not give two hoots about the works going on around the rest of the city?

What is is about Sandymount specifically that has you so militantly against this initiative?

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 01:31PM

I support many of the cycling measures being put in. The Quays and Dame Street are excellent, cars should be reduced in priority there.

But Strand Road is simply insane. Its the removal of an arterial route, designated Regional, with a lack of suitable alternatives and the imposition of chaotic diverted traffic into narrow, winding local roads. Its the diversion of two bus routes away from amenities and customers that they serve. Its stark staring mental and I believe its going to be stopped from happening.

Fighting Tao · 21-02-2021 01:37PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

I support many of the cycling measures being put in. The Quays and Dame Street are excellent, cars should be reduced in priority there.

But Strand Road is simply insane. Its the removal of an arterial route, designated Regional, with a lack of suitable alternatives and the imposition of chaotic diverted traffic into narrow, winding local roads. Its the diversion of two bus routes away from amenities and customers that they serve. Its stark staring mental and I believe its going to be stopped from happening.

Yes regional road, not national. Therefore it should not be a major route. You are very quick to call it regional but appear to lack understanding of regional and national roads.

PaulieC · 21-02-2021 01:47PM

MojoMaker wrote: »

Larbre, yourself as an cyclist and a frequent recent poster in the cycling forum, I can't fathom these views on this or any other aspect of pro-cycling initiatives around the city. It's almost as if you're against this cycle lane for reasons you're not disclosing.

It's almost like everyone who was ever on a bike doesn't have to have the same militant pro-cycling, anti-motorist views that seem to be required in this forum. Not every cycle infrastructure project is the right one and they don't have to be championed regardless of their quality simply because they are cycling related.

magicbastarder · 21-02-2021 01:52PM

PaulieC wrote: »

the same militant pro-cycling, anti-motorist views that seem to be required in this forum.

ye wha? there's maybe eight or ten people active in this thread. it's deathly dull at times, the majority of people who post to this forum aren't found here.

buffalo · 21-02-2021 02:03PM

PaulieC wrote: »

It's almost like everyone who was ever on a bike doesn't have to have the same militant pro-cycling, anti-motorist views that seem to be required in this forum. Not every cycle infrastructure project is the right one and they don't have to be championed regardless of their quality simply because they are cycling related.

I don't know about anybody else, but I am interested in seeing a trial go ahead to see if all these horrific side effects are realised. I suspect that - in common with closing roads around the world - traffic evaporation will be seen, and the net effect will be a positive one. Does that make me militant and anti-motorist?

buffalo · 21-02-2021 02:05PM

PaulieC wrote: »

It's almost like everyone who was ever on a bike doesn't have to have the same militant pro-cycling, anti-motorist views that seem to be required in this forum. Not every cycle infrastructure project is the right one and they don't have to be championed regardless of their quality simply because they are cycling related.

Also, I'm interested in your choice of words - pro-cycling, but anti-motorist. Don't the cyclists deserve to be treated as people?

PaulieC · 21-02-2021 02:11PM

buffalo wrote: »

I don't know about anybody else, but I am interested in seeing a trial go ahead to see if all these horrific side effects are realised. I suspect that - in common with closing roads around the world - traffic evaporation will be seen, and the net effect will be a positive one. Does that make me militant and anti-motorist?

I am interested too to see how it goes. It's unfortunate the way it's coming about as it's never going to be accepted by the locals who will use it as a scapegoat for every traffic issue for the next x years.

I should have said that not all militant posters in here but a lot. It's basically the complete opposite of what's going on in the community/area forums, albeit with less bad language and personal insults

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 02:12PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Yes regional road, not national. Therefore it should not be a major route. You are very quick to call it regional but appear to lack understanding of regional and national roads.

At one point friend, I worked on the redesignation of national and regional routes when the motorway network was developed. I'd suggest its yourself who hasn't a clue.

With the exception of short sections of the N11 and N31, the highest designation of arterial route within the M50 now is Regional. Regional routes *ARE* major routes.

PaulieC · 21-02-2021 02:14PM

PaulieC wrote: »

I am interested too to see how it goes. It's unfortunate the way it's coming about as it's never going to be accepted by the locals who will use it as a scapegoat for every traffic issue for the next x years.

I should have said that not all militant posters in here but a lot. It's basically the complete opposite of what's going on in the community/area forums, albeit with less bad language and personal insults

This happened on Monday night after some preliminary work was done at the roundabout on beach road ðŸ˜‚

Fighting Tao · 21-02-2021 02:19PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

At one point friend, I worked on the redesignation of national and regional routes when the motorway network was developed. I'd suggest its yourself who hasn't a clue.

With the exception of short sections of the N11 and N31, the highest designation of arterial route within the M50 now is Regional. Regional routes *ARE* major routes.

Just because some are, doesn’t mean they all should be.

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 02:20PM

Oh man I laughed at that.

I did drive along there Friday evening and its quite a bit easier to negotiate without the mini roundabouts and traffic islands. Hopefully when the trial is cancelled for good, they don't reinstall them.

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 02:24PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Just because some are, doesn’t mean they all should be.

How is that relevant?

strandroad · 21-02-2021 02:31PM

PaulieC wrote: »

This happened on Monday night after some preliminary work was done at the roundabout on beach road ðŸ˜‚

Yeah no surprises there. Any local social media will have the foaming at the mouth types whenever cycling is mentioned, most seem to be in the 50-60 yo bracket, when has this generation lost the use of their legs? Cars for everyone were far from standard in the 80s when they were kids, where does this obsession come from?

PaulieC · 21-02-2021 02:33PM

strandroad wrote: »

Yeah no surprises there. Any local social media will have the foaming at the mouth types whenever cycling is mentioned, most seem to be in the 50-60 yo bracket, when has this generation lost the use of their legs? Cars for everyone were far from standard in the 80s when they were kids, where does this obsession come from?

It's their hard won right. And by hard won, I mean not hard won.

ted1 · 21-02-2021 02:45PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

At one point friend, I worked on the redesignation of national and regional routes when the motorway network was developed. I'd suggest its yourself who hasn't a clue.

With the exception of short sections of the N11 and N31, the highest designation of arterial route within the M50 now is Regional. Regional routes *ARE* major routes.

Was the R131 designated as such to include traffic from Dun Laoighre Harbour which no longer as commercial operations

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 03:01PM

ted1 wrote: »

Was the R131 designated as such to include traffic from Dun Laoighre Harbour which no longer as commercial operations

No I don't recall there being any connection between the two.

The last review of Regional routes was around 2011, DL was long past being a serious commercial port by then and in any case, port traffic from DL is directed to the M50 and N11.

The R131, which includes Strand Road, is defined as junction with R132 Drumcondra Road at Clonliffe, via the East Link to junction with R118 Merrion Road at Merrion Gates. Its an important arterial route in itself, but not tied to the fortunes of Dun Laoghaire.

magicbastarder · 21-02-2021 03:11PM

PaulieC wrote: »

This happened on Monday night after some preliminary work was done at the roundabout on beach road &#55357;&#56834;

are they removing it? hopefully they are.
i was always amused by this nearby - 'no parking allowed here, this private business owner has laid claim to public parking for his own ends'.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3344526,-6.2134017,3a,37.5y,153.99h,78.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slWz1qXUaRtKPMOESO-BAvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

silverharp · 21-02-2021 03:24PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

are they removing it? hopefully they are.
i was always amused by this nearby - 'no parking allowed here, this private business owner has laid claim to public parking for his own ends'.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3344526,-6.2134017,3a,37.5y,153.99h,78.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slWz1qXUaRtKPMOESO-BAvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

he is my mechanic, hands off bud!!!

the sign is mainly just so someone doesnt park in front of the garage which is fair enough , if it was just a householder's garage you would probably see a notice to that effect

Larbre34 · 21-02-2021 04:16PM

Hard to tell from the fairly basic design drawings, but do we know if all the on street parking will be removed from there as a consequence of the new southbound traffic lane? Could be the end of your mechanic if so.

Thelonious Monk · 21-02-2021 04:32PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Could be the end of your mechanic if so.

Hopefully! Less mechanics, less cars. Win win!

PaulieC · 21-02-2021 05:01PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Hopefully! Less mechanics, less cars. Win win!

I could be wrong,but I don't think demand for cars is based on the availability of mechanics

PaulieC · 21-02-2021 05:05PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

are they removing it? hopefully they are.
i was always amused by this nearby - 'no parking allowed here, this private business owner has laid claim to public parking for his own ends'.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3344526,-6.2134017,3a,37.5y,153.99h,78.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slWz1qXUaRtKPMOESO-BAvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

It's patched up but still readable.

yascaoimhin · 21-02-2021 05:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I care deeply about that area.

And, you're wrong, it's scrapped.

It's not scrapped. Its gotten permission again on Jan 13 this year. article on Irish times about it. I cant post links, a wee google wouldn't go amiss

Peregrine · 21-02-2021 05:25PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Hard to tell from the fairly basic design drawings, but do we know if all the on street parking will be removed from there as a consequence of the new southbound traffic lane? Could be the end of your mechanic if so.

There is no on-street parking on this route.

ted1 · 21-02-2021 05:41PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

are they removing it? hopefully they are.
i was always amused by this nearby - 'no parking allowed here, this private business owner has laid claim to public parking for his own ends'.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3344526,-6.2134017,3a,37.5y,153.99h,78.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slWz1qXUaRtKPMOESO-BAvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

In fairness you can’t block an exit...

magicbastarder · 21-02-2021 05:50PM

how many of the cars parked there are ones he's working on, i wonder?

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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